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[Super Jim]

Any chance we could get a Moderator to move this discussion over to the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 section???????

Please???????

 

[misjuevos]

Nova prime says quill's father is "something very ancient, we've never seen here before". Earlier in the movie during the lineup Thanos the mad titan is mentioned by name. So the novas know of the eternals. They also have a picture of Thanos, who is an eternal from the moon titan. So could his dad be an eternal it doesn't really fit nova primes description. Sure the eternals are very ancient, but the novas have seen them or at least Thanos.

I like the eternals and celestials but not sure if they could make quill an eternal. Maybe his dad will turn out to be an elder of the universe.

Here is another thought. If quill is half eternal then maybe it connects to Thanos. Thanos destroys the titan colony of eternals. So the eternals flee to parts unknown or maybe back to earth. One meets peter's mom.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Not necessarily. All they know is that Thanos is some big, bad dude from the Moon Titan, who controls a bunch of other dudes (and dudets) who go around and kill people. They may have no clue about him being an Eternal, or even who or what the Eternals are. And the Eternals would fit the "ancient" requirement.

So just because they know that Thanos is some dude from Titan doesn't mean that they know what he is really. It's hard for me to believe that they would have DNA scans of Thanos, let alone any Eternal.

The Celestials as Quill's dad would be a bit too far out there, IMO, but making his father an Eternal, especially one related to Thanos the Mad Titan fits very well!

Your third sentence matches with what I've been saying. Let's say that Thanos' brother went off and had a bit of "pelvic sorcery" with some beings, including Quill's mom. Now this makes sense.

My only issue is that my feeling has always been that whoever ends up being this being of pure energy that fathered Quill very likely gave his mother cancer and caused her death, which would very likely play into the story in regards to Quill's anger over it.

Maybe they will end up staying away from that negative aspect in the end, but it seems logical.

So, it really comes down to these questions...

1. Is there any real chance that Yondu is his real dad? He did say he "may look like an angel" and called Quill "son", but it seemed as though he (and the Ravagers) were hired to deliver Quill to his dad (or was that just a story Yondu used to get the Ravagers to go along with his pla). Also, when Yondu said something along the lines of "that guy was a @#$%, the other Ravager seemed to agree, as if he met him...

2. What beings do we know of that would be composed of "pure energy" and possibly look like an "angel"?

3. What beings do we know of that NOVA would not know about and is "ancient"?

4. What beings that match the questions above do we know of that Quill would look like (his mother stated that)?

5. Wouldn't it be funny to see Kevin Bacon as Star Fox, Starlord's dad?

 

[Hyde]

Still 100% convinced it's Adam Warlock.

 

[misjuevos]

Adam warlock was created on earth, at least the warlock from the comics. I know the movie is a little different especially with peter's dad. I still don't think warlock is the father.

I am trying to think of what race would give his mother cancer as well. Although it might not have been caused by the alien race itself, but the technology or the radiation that its technology gave off. The radiation could have been unknowingly deadly to humans.

 

[Chris B]

I'm still betting on it being Starhawk myself.

 

[misjuevos]

It is strange that Gunn wants to change the father of Peter. A person would have to be wealthy enough to hire the ravagers and in some position of power to receive the comments made by yondu. Royalty fit the description nicely. What if they just switched it to another royal race. How about the galadorians. Maybe the asgardians. Maybe an inhuman. What if quill's mother was exposed to the terigen mist and that killed her? If she was killed by an alien infection or not. Had the kree not been introduced I would have thought kree, they along with the skrulls are really old. Don't think they can use the Shi'ar either.

Eternals still seem to be the best fit.

I wouldn't be opposed to a time traveler either. This could bring the time gem into play.

 

[Hyde]

Adam warlock was created on earth, at least the warlock from the comics. I know the movie is a little different especially with peter's dad. I still don't think warlock is the father.

I am trying to think of what race would give his mother cancer as well. Although it might not have been caused by the alien race itself, but the technology or the radiation that its technology gave off. The radiation could have been unknowingly deadly to humans.

They could easily change it up for the film. In the comics Adam was created elsewhere to be the "perfect" human, I believe, but in the movies he could be a manifestation of the Soul Stone or a human/alien who merged with the Stone, or maybe some kind of Elder of the Universe. Warlock is exactly the kind of guy Yondu would describe as a jackass, his cocoon is with the Collector so it's possible that he is actually aware of what's inside and Adam hired the Ravagers through Tivan, Adam does look a lot like an angel as Peter's mother described him and the energy from an Infinity Stone would make the DNA look "very ancient" to the Nova Corps.

Plus, I think it's just most interesting and easiest if Adam Warlock is the father.

 

[misjuevos]

I don't like warlock being the father. It would be weird to have him on the team with his dad. Starlord would not be able to lead his father if it was warlock. An eternal seems a better fit because it ties him to Thanos, not that it needs to. It just seems somewhat more interesting. Ronan says "you're mortal, how?". So maybe his father is immortal or an eternal. I still also like the time travel idea.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Even if they change the who from J'Sonn to someone else, it doesn't necessarily mean that that person couldn't be "royalty" or the leader of some world or other people.

Adam Warlock doesn't seem to fit, IMO, though he is on the short list of possibilities. The problem with him is that he is going to need to have his own story. That story could be introduced in GotG2, or it could be in Avengers, or even in Doctor Strange. But making Adam Warlock Star Lord's dad would come off a bit boring, unless they totally change the character of Adam Warlock, which I truly hope they don't...

After the first film, I think one thing we should rely on is that whoever ends up being Quill's daddy, it'll be fun. Sure, I'm sure whoever it is truly loved Quill's mom, but it will still need to be fun in order to match all of the things we know, including Yondu's comments.

Could it be Yondu? Sure, but I really hope not. Although that would be an ok story arc, there are so many better ways to go.

Star Hawk is another possibility, but he's such an unknown and the only real interesting things about him would not really be possible to use in this movie-verse (male/female personas/Hawk God powers/being the son of Quasar and Kismit). One reason I could see them using him is the storylines that had him teaming with the Guardians against Korvac, who would make for a really good villain, and possibly the Badoon. Truth is though that they don't need Starhawk in order to use Korvac or the Badoon. Actually, the Korvac background that they used in the animated The Avenegrs Earth's Mightiest Heroes would work very well...

As far as the Terrigen Mist recommendation, now that we've seen that in Agents of Shield I'd have to say that that would not work, so I'm thinking it won't be an Inhuman (that story will likely come from what we see in future episodes of Agents).

Some of the other choices, like a Cellestial or such, is so far out there it's hard to give it credit as a possibility.

And that leaves someone like Star Fox, who is related to Thanos, which would make Quill related to Thanos, which would fit the storyline very well. Also, his background and powers match just about every hint we were given regarding who Quill's dad is:

Also, wouldn't a guy who has the ability to make all of the hot chicks desire him (one of the many powers of Starfox, aka Eros) be thought of as a "jackass" by Yondu?

'Quill, I am your... Uncle"!!!

 

[Ledlunar]

Best idea I've heard is Ragnar or The Collector. Fits everything mentioned of Quill's dad in the movie too.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Not so sure that the Collector fits everything mentioned of Quill's dad in the movie. The Collector doesn't come off as a "being of pure energy" or as "an angel". He doesn't have the word "Star" in his name, so there would not be a connection to "Star Lord", the name Quill's mom gave him. The Collector's motives have always been about collecting things, not love, so that doesn't fit either. Other than being an ancient being and a bit of a jackass, I don't see what fits...

Remember, Quill's mom says that he looks like his father. So, who looks like this (note the red hair):

Does the Collector?

Does Adam Warlock?

Does Yondu?

Does Star Hawk (LOL)?

Or finally, does Starfox, Thanos' Brother (note the hair color)?

 

[Lord]

Starfox is the choice that makes the most sence, the collector being Quill's father would just be awful.

 

[Super Jim]

You know, Balder is an interesting option...

For those who do not know, Balder is an Asgardian warrior who has fought with Thor. It also turned out that he is Thor's half-brother and becomes a Prince of Asgard.

Next, and importantly, he is the Asgardian God of... Light! He also has some other powers (beyond Light related), such as being the fastest Asgardian, able to move at the speed of... Light. Then he also has all of the standard Asgardian stuff, such as super human strength, endurance and longevity.

But this is the part that makes me put him into my second place spot (after Starfox)...

In canon he is the catalyst that triggers... Ragnarok!!!!!!!!!

Anyone want to remind us what the name of the next Thor movie is?

So it would make sense that Balder will be introduced in Thor 3, and we've already seen the characters of Asgard mingle with a character of Guardians, so it seems they might just have further plans to bring these two groups together...

Hmm..........................................

I still think it's Starfox, but this has now become my very close second choice!

 

[Tg11]

Whoever Star-Lord's father turns out to be, I wonder who they will cast to be Chris Pratt's father?

 

[Super Jim]

I'm all for Kevin Bacon!!!

 

[Xeno-noesis]

Kevin Bacon as Starhawk as Quill's father. Pete's mind would be hysterically blown.

 

[Lilbaz]

Star Fox is my favourite. But there could be others. What about a different elder of the universe?

Hope it is Star Fox as then we have the Eternals definitely in the game. It would be a good way to go into Thanos's back story. Also it could possibly link the GotG with the Avengers if Star Fox or Sersi become members. Celestials might also be explored as they created the Eternals. Might even mention the Greek Pantheon.

Total win for me and will expand the knowledge of the MCU for the general audience. Have Moondragon training with them and you have her too.

 

[Nokio]

Well Gunn did say he went to Marvel with the idea and who he had in mind and Marvel greenlit it. Gunn said its different from the comics and will be controversial. I think it may be Thanos. Maybe even Odin. I dont see it being Starfox, Starhawk or Darkhawk. None of them guys are even known. Whats the big deal and shocker about them? I guess Warlock could work but i hope not.

 

[0siris]

Well Gunn did say he went to Marvel with the idea and who he had in mind and Marvel greenlit it. Gunn said its different from the comics and will be controversial. I think it may be Thanos. Maybe even Odin. I dont see it being Starfox, Starhawk or Darkhawk. None of them guys are even known. Whats the big deal and shocker about them? I guess Warlock could work but i hope not.

I think Gunn is overestimating what would be considered controversial, thinking that any change from the comics is going to turn heads. This isn't like changing the Mandarin or Dr. Doom. Star Lord is a relatively "new" character in comic mythology (yes, created in the 70s, but functionally irrelevant until the 2005 or so), and J'son of Spartoi or whatever his name is even less so. In other words, there isn't enough history for Star Lord and his father to be controversial in changing the identity to the big screen. J'Son is a boring, trivial character, unintertwined into the juicy labyrinth of Marvel cosmic cosmology, so a change in parentage is automatically an improvement over the publication narrative.

I hope its Starfox. At this point I'm going to be disappointed if he's not. Tying Quill to Starfox builds up the "underused and almost forgotten in the comics" Eternals/Celestials presence in the cinematic universe, and creates a relationship to Thanos. I've always liked Starfox as a concept, there is something pernicious within his powers that comic writers rarely address, that he has the veneer of peace, love, and hedonistic pleasure, but it's really hollow manipulation, exploitation, and borderline rape. Meanwhile his brother is obsessed with destruction and death, yet the core root of that horrid strategy is a perversion of true love and devotion. It's a beautiful yin and yang, Starfox and Thanos, and I would love to see something the comics doesn't really explore, explored on screen.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Co-signs the above post. To me it really makes the most sense, given the hints dropped in the first movie and Star-Lord's personality in the film.

 

[Super Jim]

Totally agree with what is being said above as support for Starfox.

The Starfox to Thanos relationship, makes that one the best option, IMO.

But now this other son of Odin/Brother of Thor concept could tie those two worlds into the greater universe, moreso than we've already seen, so I'd be ok with that as well.

The ones that would absolutely suck are Adam Warlock, Yondu (yawn) or the Collector!

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Star-Fox & Star-Lord it makes to much sense.

 

[BarryAllen]

But Starhawk's main thing is the Hawk God and the dual characters (male/female) occupying the same space concepts. This just won't work in the movieverse. So, like I stated before, if they want Starhawk then they would need to change his character so much he would only be Starhawk in name.

You think Starhawk would be an "awesome choice for Peter Quill's father". Better than say Star Fox?

Really?

So you're saying it would be better for the general audience if some obscure character that the GA doesn't know (Starhawk), that only pertains to the stories as the offspring of Quasar and Kismet (which would have to be retconn'd), and whose interesting qualities (Hawk God and two people occupying one space - which again, would likely need to be retconn'd), to be Peter's father than Star Fox, Thanos' Brother and fellow Titan?

It doesn't matter that Starhawk's attributes in the books (not his main thing) involve the Hawk-God and the switching between genders. Marvel and Gunn can easily throw that away if they wanted to. Do we see Thor always wearing a helmet like he does in the books? Do we see Jane Foster as a doctor? Do we see Dum Dum Dugan as Nick Fury's right hand man? Do we see Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts in a relationship? Do we see Alexander Pierce as a good guy? Do we see an actual human Jarvis helping Tony Stark in contemporary times? Do we see Hank Pym as a founding member of the Avengers, young and a creator of Ultron? The answer to all of those questions is no. Things can change because this is an alternate universe, and the obscurity of these characters can lend themselves to such change (and Starhawk and Starfox are equally obscure).

Starhawk can totally be introduced and still be relevant. Starhawk pretty much fits every description that Gunn has mentioned about his father, is a being of light (as opposed to Starfox) and Gunn even mentions his preference for the character right here (http://youtu.be/EDGc0KAKzXY?t=20m31s).

Sure Starfox is the brother of Thanos. That doesn't mean that's the only way to go about it. You could have Starhawk as someone who has forseen Thanos getting all of the Infinity Stones together, and is set out to stop him. He could easily be an "ends justify the means" kind of guy, making him come across as a jackass.

I know you're biased heavily towards Starfox, but keep your mind open a little bit more.

 

[SuperSanchez]

Remove Yondu as an option, at the end of the movie Yondu says something like "Maybe we should've taken him to his dad like we were meant to"