Stop Complaining Please! Is Anybody Else Sick of It?!

[danoyse]

^Wouldn't that mean FOX spent more than what they are saying, and make the end result even worse?

Like you said No Studio will release exactly what they spent, so is FOX really secure enough to say the spent more then what they originally did?

You get what i'm saying though? If they are going to lie they won't make the lie worse.

No, it just means that the budget number on Box Office Mojo is most likely not the actual budget number, just an estimate. Could be higher, could be less. We'll never know for sure. The studio never releases the actual budget numbers, or how the profits are broken down between the studio, the producers, the actors, and by the theaters. (Celestial explained this breakdown much better on the last page )

Theweepeople is basing his numbers off of one total: the domestic gross. He bases his data that all profits go directly to Fox, and not figuring in what the actual profit percentage among all the different factors above. He's also not counting in any other revenue stream, such as the worldwide box office, DVD and TV. Studios spend so much on their movies now, they depend on those other revenue streams to create that profit.

The studio knew full well that the movie's huge budget was going to mean a smaller percentage, which is why the plan was to make this the last movie and continue with smaller spinoffs. It performed pretty much on target with their expectations.

 

[gambitfire]

Yes but even rounded off how much of a difference is a 100 when there are millions involved?

I agree with the Wee that profit wise this movie was the least succesfull, however i don't know if it has killed the franchise. Personally i would prefer a restart anyways.

As for the studio knowing there percentage gross ahead of time, well i'm not so sure considering how much more they put into advertising and such, it really felt like they went out of their way with this one especially with all the studio drama.

 

[danoyse]

Yes but even rounded off how much of a difference is a 100 when there are millions involved?

That's the thing...we don't know exactly how many millions the studio spent making the movie. What's listed on Box Office Mojo is an estimate, not the actual figures. So whatever profit percentage any of us put together here is not going to be accurate to what Fox actually made, because we don't have the exact figures.

And again, we also don't know how that profit was broken down and who got what out of it. None of us know who earns what part of that profit, but we haven't heard anyone complain that they didn't make any money off it it.

I read the 1st qtr financial report released by Fox a few weeks ago. Profits were down due to their lackluster fall TV schedule (which is interrupted by the MLB playoffs, and because their 2 biggest shows don't start until January). It was sales of the X3 DVD that boosted their profits for the 1st quarter.

I agree with the Wee that profit wise this movie was the least succesfull, however i don't know if it has killed the franchise. Personally i would prefer a restart anyways.

As for the studio knowing there percentage gross ahead of time, well i'm not so sure considering how much more they put into advertising and such, it really felt like they went out of their way with this one especially with all the studio drama.

It was always going to be a big-budget movie, especially since they would have to re-sign that entire cast. Had they scrapped the whole thing and started over when Matthew Vaughn left, they would have lost tons of money. Instead they finished it and it was ultimately profitable.

And it was successful enough that I don't think you'll see a restart anytime soon.

 

[Goddessreicho]

unique ways to annoy people that

I used a different tactic to annoy theguard who was rude towards everyone who disagreed with him.

(Like you are know.)

In your case I wanted to annoy you the moment I read your "can you please stop throwing numbers around like they mean something" rude comment. I have a weird sense of humor and I pulled a prank on you by playing dumb. I'm convinced that I've definitely accomplished my original goal of annoying you

(You don't know me, and you haven't learned a thing. And that first comment wasn't rude. If you want to see rude, take a long hard look at your responding posts. )

Thanks for admitting that you are an arrogant ignorant trolling spammer. You really think that what you say now actually matters.

I still find it amazing that you STILL haven't admitted that I caught your lack of knowledge in a subject that you claim to have a mastery with.

You haven't addressed the things I have brought up and can't deny.

Btw, you don't have a sense of humor. Considering how I was making fun of you the entire time since my first post, and people who I don't agree with at all on these boards chimed in with how funny my post were about you.

It must suck to be you at the butt end of this elaborate joke that I started.

Your welcome.

 

[Theweepeople]

^Wouldn't that mean FOX spent more than what they are saying, and make the end result even worse?

Yep. In fact we don't even know whether the fortune spent on advertising was included in the overall budget. In reality Fox may have spent 240-260million to make X3. I agree that the numbers on boxofficemojo are estimates but those numbers were definitely given to mojo by a valid source. If those estimates weren't somewhat accurate then boxofficemojo could get sued by all the movie companies in hollywood for financial misrepresentation.

 

[Theweepeople]

(You don't know me, and you haven't learned a thing. And that first comment wasn't rude.

So suggesting that my numbers mean nothing was not rude? I guess you don't realize that arrogance is a character flaw.

If you want to see rude, take a long hard look at your responding posts. )

I treated you with the same respect that you gave me with your initial inflammatory post. I'd advice you to talk to me in a more respectful manner and with more of a frame of referrence next time you disagree with one of my commentaries.

Thanks for admitting that you are an arrogant ignorant trolling spammer.)

You responded just the way I predicted. Thanks for the laugh. Speaking of ignorance I find it amusing that you didn't know about my link that proves how Fox can lose the rights to X-Men. You also, made the mistake of suggesting that Pirates 3 and Transformers were still in pre-production.

You really think that what you say now actually matters. )

Of course what we both say still matters. If that was not true then we would have completely ignored each other.

I still find it amazing that you STILL haven't admitted that I caught your lack of knowledge in a subject that you claim to have a mastery with.

First of all I never claimed to have a mastery in anything.

You haven't addressed the things I have brought up and can't deny..

What are those things? I looked at your links. They didn't prove anything or tell me anything I didn't already now.

Btw, you don't have a sense of humor.

Well, that's relative. Most of my friends and family think I'm damn funny. Excuse me for having a sense of humor that is similar to one of my favorite comedians(Andy Kaufman).

Considering how I was making fun of you the entire time since my first post, and people who I don't agree with at all on these boards chimed in with how funny my post were about you.

Okay. I glad I was able to amuse you all. I laugh when people laugh with me or even at me so no offense was taken.t:

It must suck to be you at the butt end of this elaborate joke that I started.

Actually, you're still participating with me in one of my jokes. Thanks for the laugh again.

Your welcome.

God bless you, me, the United States of America, and the whole world.

 

[danoyse]

Yep. In fact we don't even know whether the fortune spent on advertising was included in the overall budget. In reality Fox may have spent 240-260million to make X3. I agree that the numbers on boxofficemojo are estimates but those numbers were definitely given to mojo by a valid source. If those estimates weren't somewhat accurate then boxofficemojo could get sued by all the movie companies in hollywood for financial misrepresentation.

Really? So what's the valid source?

Movie studios are not obligated to report budget figures to Box Office Mojo. It's a box office tracking site, their job is to track the money the movie is actually making at the box office, not how much the studio is making on it and how those profits are broken down amongst the different entities.

If it was about studio profit, it would include DVD sales and TV revenue. It doesn't. So no one can just go off of the figures alone on Box Office Mojo and positively think the studio didn't profit. Especially when you don't count in all of the other revenue streams.

 

[Goddessreicho]

So suggesting that my numbers mean nothing was not rude? I guess you don't realize that arrogance is a character flaw.

Movie franchises can be produced even a movie breaks even. That's besides the point. Unless you have access to Fox's accounts, you cannot say that those numbers are exact, nor can you say that they aren't going to move on with further sequels. If you do, why are posting on SHH? I'm sure you'd have other far more pressing things to do.

I treated you with the same respect that you gave me with your initial inflammatory post. I'd advice you to talk to me in a more respectful manner and with more of a frame of referrence next time you disagree with one of my commentaries.

Sure, whatever you say, massa. t: I better behave before you get mad and sell me down rivah. Oh no anything but that!

There is only one person on these X-boards whom I agree with whole hardheartedly. It's kind a creepy actually.(Hi Drthcyke!) Everybody else whom I enjoy seeing them post, I have disagreed with, some I've had some serious words with. But you, are just all around sour.

Not only that, before you had "opened your mouth" and gone all ******o, I did tend to actually agree with most of what you said.

You responded just the way I predicted. Thanks for the laugh. Speaking of ignorance I find it amusing that you didn't know about my link that proves how Fox can lose the rights to X-Men. You also, made the mistake of suggesting that Pirates 3 and Transformers were still in pre-production.

Massa, how you gonna say things that I never mentioned. You also made the mistake of misspelling reference in this post in your statement above, and you missed Ironman which is also in post-production. See, I do have to repeat myself to you just like you did with the Guard to get the point across. You haven't learned your own lesson yet.

Of course what we both say still matters. If that was not true then we would have completely ignored each other.

Why would I ignore your misinformation? Next thing you know people will be shocked ****less when Punisher 2 hits theaters.

Don't forget your depends for that day.

First of all I never claimed to have a mastery in anything.

To bad your attitude says different. As for mine, I actually stopped posting in these kinds of threads, but that initial post I responded to had so much backwards information, how on earth could I resist?

What are those things? I looked at your links. They didn't prove anything or tell me anything I didn't already now.

I must really be getting under your skin, your grammar is slipping. Strangely enough, mine is improving. Breathe in and breath out. First you didn't know about it, now your claiming you do? Tsk tsk, denial of a mistake is not ever really looked at kindly.

Well, that's relative. Most of my friends and family think I'm damn funny. Excuse me for having a sense of humor that is similar to one of my favorite comedians(Andy Kaufman).

They are telling you that because they are obligated to. That's what happens with your friends and relatives. There is a big difference between you and Kaufman.



He was actually funny. Being sardonic was a skill he had in spades. You making a sorry attempt at it, and failing miserably, just makes you look like your ice-skating up a wall.

Okay. I glad I was able to amuse you all. I laugh when people laugh with me or even at me so no offense was taken.t:

Well in that case your jaw must be hurting. Most here were laughing at you the entire time. And here I am thinking you weren't good for much.

Actually, you're still participating with me in one of my jokes. Thanks for the laugh again.

Well considering that your still at this as much as I am sure. By the way, I am still waiting for that comedic aspect of your to kick in. You haven't even touched the level of my dead starfish line, and that was low-class. You've had almost a day now. I'm not surprised, you haven't been able to respond to much of anything I've said.

God bless you, me, the United States of America, and the whole world.

Don't forget Tiny Tim, Laurie, The Queen, and your next post.

 

[Storm22]

Ha, people may not like X3 and that's fine, they're entitled to that opinion, but trying to use the Box Office figures to support your criticisms of the movie is pretty lame imo. The movie was a worldwide success financially, this sort of nitpicking is getting ridiculous.

 

[Theweepeople]

Really? So what's the valid source?

This isn't hard to figure out. Boxoffice reporting companies can get information from all the people involved with the production of a film. This includes all of the actors, actresses, directors, producers, and sponors. Furthermore, all movie companies are required by law to give an accurate estimate of their movie budgets for all people who want to invest in the stock market. Finally, I can find you links to previous statements made by Vinne Jones, Steven Speilberg, and Micheal Bay that confirm the numbers on boxofficemojo.

 

[danoyse]

This isn't hard to figure out. Boxoffice reporting companies can get information from all the people involved with the production of a film. This includes all of the actors, actresses, directors, producers, and sponors. Furthermore, all movie companies are required by law to give an accurate estimate of their movie budgets for all people who want to invest in the stock market. Finally, I can find you links to previous statements made by Vinne Jones, Steven Speilberg, and Micheal Bay that confirm the numbers on boxofficemojo.

Required by law where? I've been a Disney stockholder for almost 10 years and not once have they disclosed to me the budget for a single film they've released.

Actors and production people (and especially sponsors?!) aren't the people who are giving valid budget info to Box Office Mojo. I would trust what they have to say less than estimates I'm actually getting from the studio, especially when in most cases they're the ones required by law to withhold that information. Since when are they all-knowledgable about every aspect of the budget and how the profits are broken down?

I doubt your links from Vinne Jones (really, Tom Rothman confimed budget figures with "I'm the Juggernaut, bi***" himself before they started production??), Spielberg and Michael Bay actually confirm that they give actual figures to Box Office Mojo. They're more than likely just confirming the same estimate you found on BOM. Just because they match doesn't mean a) that's the actual budget, and b) they gave that info to BOM.

 

[Theweepeople]

Movie franchises can be produced even a movie breaks even. That's besides the point. Unless you have access to Fox's accounts, you cannot say that those numbers are exact, nor can you say that they aren't going to move on with further sequels. If you do, why are posting on SHH? I'm sure you'd have other far more pressing things to do.

I never said those numbers were exact. Secondly you completely misinterpreted my original statement and took things too literally. I said the following" Here is a list of some franchises that either ended abruptly or died with 1 movie". This statement is relative for nothing is eternal. All of those franchises could be started over maybe 10, 20, or 50 years ago. However, they all have one thing in common. At some instance in time they were all halted. In reality you were ingorant that I knew all of these films had recently been announced

Feel free to waste your time trying to find quotes to support your false assumptions.

[Sure, whatever you say, massa. t: I better behave before you get mad and sell me down rivah. Oh no anything but that!

That wasn't a demand. That's called a suggestion.

There is only one person on these X-boards whom I agree with whole hardheartedly. It's kind a creepy actually.(Hi Drthcyke!) Everybody else whom I enjoy seeing them post, I have disagreed with, some I've had some serious words with.

I'm happy you found one person you can agree with.

But you, are just all around sour.

I'm not sour. What made you think that?

Not only that, before you had "opened your mouth" and gone all ******o, I did tend to actually agree with most of what you said. .

It's all good. No offense taken.

Massa, how you gonna say things that I never mentioned. You also made the mistake of misspelling reference in this post in your statement above,

I have the ability to play this silly game with you. Gonna is not proper english. We can continue this silliness everytime one of us makes a grammatical error if it makes you happy.

and you missed Ironman which is also in post-production.,

You still don't know the difference between pre and post production. Ironman started filming this february.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=4486

Post production of movies starts after filming has completed. There's no way filming was completed in one month. Please read the information in the link below to get a better understand of what post production is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_production

Transformers and Pirates 3 are perfect examples of films in post production. Pirates 3 was filmed along with Pirates 2 while transformers filming was completed last September.

See, I do have to repeat myself to you just like you..,

I've done the same thing with you. Maybe we have more in common than you want to admit.

did with the Guard to get the point across. You haven't learned your own lesson yet..,

It's obvious that you didn't read the few conversations that I had with him.

Why would I ignore your misinformation? Next thing you know people will be shocked ****less when Punisher 2 hits theaters...,

Already addressed in my first rebuttal.

Don't forget your depends for that day.

Time to play the silly grammatical error game again. You forgot to edit this sentence so it actually makes sense.

To bad your attitude says different. ,.

The flip side to that is you are being arrogant for thinking I'm arrogant.

but that initial post I responded to had so much backwards information, how on earth could I resist?

Next time try harder to understand basic semantics before making assumptions too quickly. Take a look at my first rebuttal again.

I must really be getting under your skin, your grammar is slipping. Strangely enough, mine is improving. Breathe in and breath out. First you didn't know about it, now your claiming you do? Tsk tsk, denial of a mistake is not ever really looked at kindly.

You're one of a kind. You have the ability to edit all the grammatical errors that everyone makes. I don't have the motivation to do this so I guess that makes you more special then me. Since you get a rise out of this I won't be editing any mistakes while you're around. I hope this helps your confidence.

They are telling you that because they are obligated to. That's what happens with your friends and relatives..

No offense but, suggesting that you know how my friends and family members react to my jokes is beyond idiotic since you haven't met any of them. I feel sorry for you and your family since you all feel obligated to laugh at every bad joke.

There is a big difference between you and Kaufman.

Please tell me something I don't know. For starters I'm black and he was white.

He was actually funny. Being sardonic was a skill he had in spades. You making a sorry attempt at it, and failing miserably, just makes you look like your ice-skating up a wall.

This is completely relative. Humor has many styles that differ with culture, nationality, and race. That's why we have people who like and dislike the following comedians:

Eddie Murphy
Tom Green
Bob Hope
Monty Python gang
Andrew Dice Claw
Andy Kaufman
Jim Carrey
Bob Newhart
Jerry Seinfield

If you think my intentions of joking with you was to make you laugh then that's okay. If you think my intentions of joking with you was to make you feel uncomfortable then that's also okay. Finally, if you think my intentions of joking with you was to make you angry then that's okay.

Well in that case your jaw must be hurting. Most here were laughing at you the entire time. And here I am thinking you weren't good for much..

That's cool. Thanks for the laugh again and I'm happy I entertained you. I entertained in elementary school, high school, and college. I'm glad to see I have not lost my touch.

Well considering that your still at this as much as I am sure. By the way, I am still waiting for that comedic aspect of your to kick in. You haven't even touched the level of my dead starfish line, and that was low-class. You've had almost a day now. I'm not surprised, you haven't been able to respond to much of anything I've said..

Wait a minute. In the previous post you stated that you were laughing at me and now you're saying I'm not funny. Please make up your mind.

Are you sure you truely understood Andy Kaufman's style of humor? The guy did basically anything for a laugh. He would tell jokes for the purpose of making people laugh, feel ackward, and making them angry. He even made fun of his disease and inevitable demise minutes before he passed away.

Don't forget Tiny Tim, Laurie, The Queen, and your next post.

I like your style. That was funny.

 

[Theweepeople]

Required by law where? I've been a Disney stockholder for almost 10 years and not once have they disclosed to me the budget for a single film they've released.

Actors and production people (and especially sponsors?!) aren't the people who are giving valid budget info to Box Office Mojo. I would trust what they have to say less than estimates I'm actually getting from the studio, especially when in most cases they're the ones required by law to withhold that information. Since when are they all-knowledgable about every aspect of the budget and how the profits are broken down?

I doubt your links from Vinne Jones (really, Tom Rothman confimed budget figures with "I'm the Juggernaut, bi***" himself before they started production??), Spielberg and Michael Bay actually confirm that they give actual figures to Box Office Mojo. They're more than likely just confirming the same estimate you found on BOM. Just because they match doesn't mean a) that's the actual budget, and b) they gave that info to BOM.

For the very last time I never said those were exact numbers. However, those numbers have to be somewhat accurate. Boxofficemojo can't post whatever the hell they want without the possibility of getting sued. What if Boxofficemojo decided to report X-Men the last stand's budget as 30million? They would get a lawsuit in a heartbeat because that info could be misleading to invenstors in regards to how much time and energy was spent in trying to make a quality film. How many more times are you going to take something I said out of context?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

*sits back and enjoys the pwnage being dished out on thewheepeople*

 

[Goddessreicho]

I like your style. That was funny.

Glad you do.That was the point. And thanks. I'm sleepy. Goodnight folks.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I like your style. That was funny.

Glad you do.That was the point. And thanks. I'm sleepy. Goodnight folks. Till next time.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Originally Posted by Goddessreicho
There is only one person on these X-boards whom I agree with whole hardheartedly. It's kind a creepy actually.(Hi Drthcyke!) Everybody else whom I enjoy seeing them post, I have disagreed with, some I've had some serious words with.

I'm happy you found one person you can agree with.

Did that godless heretic just mock the creepy psychic bond between the Goddess and I??? Fine, so said bond mostly has to do with similar sense of humor and agreeing on about everything that went the f**k wrong with the x-flicks, but still... t:

Seriously, though...

Now, I really wanted to stay the f**k away from this blood feud, but what the hell...

Now, I'm not trying to actively join the pwnage, as Nell so bluntly put it (lol), but I'll have to back up some of Goddess' and Nell's claims on that one:

@ theweepeople:

1 - You just don't do sarcasm or humor very well and often come off sounding too serious and/or passionate while at it. Hell, before you brought it up, I never really thought of you as a funnyman. Maybe you're better at pulling off sarcasm/humor in real life. Maybe not. No big deal either way. *shrugs*

2 - I f****n hate how the X-flicks turned out. X3 even moreso because there was the pretense of being worthy of a final installment. I am and will always be on your side on that one. Like, totally. Hell, I more often than not agree with what you're saying. BUUUUUT writers/producers/actors lying to fans' faces and numbers have no f****n bearing whatsoever on whether the movies rocked or sucked. t:

Oh, and it's real good to see you two seemed to have agreed on somewhat on a cease-fire. t:

 

[The Batman]

uh, people didnt go see Batman and robin cause batman and robin sucked...not because of Forever. If anything, Forever saved the franchise after the Batman Returns backlash

 

[danoyse]

For the very last time I never said those were exact numbers. However, those numbers have to be somewhat accurate. Boxofficemojo can't post whatever the hell they want without the possibility of getting sued. What if Boxofficemojo decided to report X-Men the last stand's budget as 30million? They would get a lawsuit in a heartbeat because that info could be misleading to invenstors in regards to how much time and energy was spent in trying to make a quality film. How many more times are you going to take something I said out of context?

And for the very last time when you keep posting figures about what Fox's domestic profit was without figuring in worldwide box office, DVD and TV revenue, and then base it on an estimated budget figure, and then not consider what the studios projections or profit percentage breakdown actually was, will you finally realize that the numbers you are always throwing around in this argument are going to be off? And that we're always going to be pointing that out to you? Because you're wrong.

Investors don't use Box Office Mojo to decide where to invest in. I don't. It doesn't give the whole picture. It doesn't tell you what properties they own and what their other sources of revenue are. The only reason I would check it is to see how a movie is actually performing at the box office, not how it compares to their estimated budget figure. I don't take that number as gospel.

No one is taking your comments out of context, we're just pointing out the flaws in your 'domestic profit' argument. Maybe one day you'll get it.

 

[Celestial]

Many of us compare domestic box office against production costs to give us a rough idea of the success of a movie but we're aware that it's only the first step.

If you're interested in profitability of movies, I recommend reading The Big Picture by Edward Jay Epstein. It doesn't have all the answers but it may help you work out which questions you should be asking.

Your profitability model is just the application of a mathmatical formula without an understanding of the underlying data.

 

[Theweepeople]

Now, I'm not trying to actively join the pwnage, as Nell so bluntly put it (lol),*

So that's what Nell said last night? He lost all credibility with me two months when he insulted me and all the other X3 haters so I added him to my ignore list. Thanks for the laugh Nell. If you really think that was pwnage then more power you.

1 - You just don't do sarcasm or humor very well and often come off sounding too serious and/or passionate while at it. Hell, before you brought it up, I never really thought of you as a funnyman. Maybe you're better at pulling off sarcasm/humor in real life. Maybe not. No big deal either way. *shrugs*

That's okay. In reality what typically makes people funny is how their jokes are told. I can make people laugh with just with my facial expressions and tone of voice. Half of the people on that list of comedians I mentioned wouldn't be funny if they spoke in monotone. If you actually saw me tell jokes in person I think you'd change your mind but even if you didn't that would be cool. People have different tastes in humor.

2 - I f****n hate how the X-flicks turned out. X3 even moreso because there was the pretense of being worthy of a final installment. I am and will always be on your side on that one. Like, totally. Hell, I more often than not agree with what you're saying. BUUUUUT writers/producers/actors lying to fans' faces and numbers have no f****n bearing whatsoever on whether the movies rocked or sucked. t:

Oh, and it's real good to see you two seemed to have agreed on somewhat on a cease-fire. t:

I've always enjoyed reading the goddesse's commentaries because I think she's funny and 90% of everything she say's is profound. She's also an X3 hater. All X3 haters have a common bond in spite of a few minor confrontations.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Did that godless heretic just mock the creepy psychic bond between the Goddess and I??? Fine, so said bond mostly has to do with similar sense of humor and agreeing on about everything that went the f**k wrong with the x-flicks, but still... t:

Seriously, though...

Now, I really wanted to stay the f**k away from this blood feud, but what the hell...

Now, I'm not trying to actively join the pwnage, as Nell so bluntly put it (lol), but I'll have to back up some of Goddess' and Nell's claims on that one:

@ theweepeople:

1 - You just don't do sarcasm or humor very well and often come off sounding too serious and/or passionate while at it. Hell, before you brought it up, I never really thought of you as a funnyman. Maybe you're better at pulling off sarcasm/humor in real life. Maybe not. No big deal either way. *shrugs*

2 - I f****n hate how the X-flicks turned out. X3 even moreso because there was the pretense of being worthy of a final installment. I am and will always be on your side on that one. Like, totally. Hell, I more often than not agree with what you're saying. BUUUUUT writers/producers/actors lying to fans' faces and numbers have no f****n bearing whatsoever on whether the movies rocked or sucked. t:

Oh, and it's real good to see you two seemed to have agreed on somewhat on a cease-fire. t:

DarthCyclopsRLZ, I'd like to lump you in that group of people like Goddessreicho in my book. I know when you first showed up here, you and I got off on the wrong foot. But, over time, you showed me what you're really about. While you and I may never agree on a single thing about the X-Men films, you're definatley one of the people whom I find worth reading the opinions of.

As far as thewheepeople, for someone who has me on ignore, you sure do reply to what I say a bunch. I don't really care if I lost credibility in your eyes, cuz you lost credibility in mine a long time ago with your ridiculous arguements.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

haha this is getting nuts. People are judging whether or not others are "worthy" of having their opinions read or whether or not they should simply lump them into groups. Get real people. If people want to like X-3, praise it, or sleep with it... I might not agree but they're allowed to. If they want to bash it, hate it, or list the 3 billion reasons why it sucked, they are allowed to do that too. We're all comic movie nerds on a stupid internet forum. Name calling and making fun of each other is the lowest form of childish. It's too pathetic to be pathetic.
I agree it sucks when people get offensive on the Hype though, it's a huge reason I don't come around as much as I used to. Intelligent debates are fine. People calling each other "fanboys" or accusing others of being stupid for not agreeing or for sticking to their guns even against the majority is just lame. Words like "pwned", "pwnage", "noob", and whatever other nerdy lingo are hilariously stupid.

I admit I see a couple of names here on the Hype that I avoid talking to all together. They just seem so angry and aggressive and completely unable to listen to reason so I don't bother. Sure, I lose lots of sleep when they call me stupid but what are ya gonna do?

 

[Theweepeople]

And for the very last time when you keep posting figures about what Fox's domestic profit was without figuring in worldwide box office

You've got to be kidding me. I posted worldwide box office numbers for all of those franchises that were in my original post. Just go back to the second to the last post on page 25 and you will see what I'm talking about.

DVD and TV revenue, and then base it on an estimated budget figure, and then not consider what the studios projections or profit percentage breakdown actually was, will you finally realize that the numbers you are always throwing around in this argument are going to be off? And that we're always going to be pointing that out to you? Because you're wrong.

Well that's very interesting. Celestial told me that X3 was completely in line with expectations. I asked for a source and I still have not seen one. In fact he said he couldn't give me one. If my numbers are so off then why are you and many others incapable of using my numbers against me. Could you at least try just one time to come up with a statistical argument that opposes mine?

Investors don't use Box Office Mojo to decide where to invest in. I don't. It doesn't give the whole picture.

Can you find a quote where I said it does give the whole picture?

It doesn't tell you what properties they own and what their other sources of revenue are.

Can you find a quote where I said it tells you what properties they own and their other sources of revenue?

The only reason I would check it is to see how a movie is actually performing at the box office, not how it compares to their estimated budget figure.

Good for you. Not every person who has invested money in a studio uses boxofficemojo the way you do.

No one is taking your comments out of context,

Yes you are. You keep on making too many assumptions about my perspective on this subject.

we're just pointing out the flaws in your 'domestic profit' argument.

First of all every argument has flaws and is subject to scrutiny so you're not telling me something I don't already know. Secondly you didn't even notice that I included the worldwide grosses in my last argument so all of your recent rebuttals have been completely flawed.

Maybe one day you'll get it.

Maybe one day you will stop misinterpreting my comments but, that's probably just wishful thinking.

 

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You've got to be kidding me. I posted worldwide box office numbers for all of those franchises that were in my original post. Just go back to the second to the last post on page 25 and you will see what I'm talking about.

Your first post that lead to this entire discussion was about domestic profit. You only listed your worldwide figures after I responded with the same response we have all been trying to explain to you for 3 pages now regarding projections and other revenue streams.

Your figures are flawed because you don't have all of that data. Celestial has given you great sources to learn how these calculations work (and if I'm not mistaken, you're running into the same wall with your box office expertise on the Ghost Rider box office thread right now too ). You're just not willing to admit that you might actually be wrong about something.

Or is this one of the times you're trying to be funny? Your sense of humor seems to lose something in translation around here.