Stop Complaining Please! Is Anybody Else Sick of It?!

[WorthyStevens]

Ahem... try page six, Nimrod.

Nimrod? You're one to talk:

ALL the smart critics loved X3 (Ebert, Roeper, Berardinelli, etc.)

Now, since it seems like you're using the big critics as your examples:

How many distinguished veterans of the Royal Shakesepeare Company does it take to make a bi-g-budget trashy movie?

http://time.blogs.com/movies/2006/05/xmen_and_other_.html

What a comedown, after the weirdly beautiful things Singer and his technicians did in the first two movies. For Singer, the essence of digital magic was transformation: one person’s flesh can turn into another’s, or melt and pour into a flashing metal stream. Among other things, the first two movies were a celebration of the human body brought to perfection and then pushed by super-earthly flights of imagination into mythical achievement. But Ratner’s movie is one thudding climax after another, and it left me exhausted, the way the second and third movies in the “Matrix” series did.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060605crci_cinema

Now, to break it down for you YJ1, those are called negative reviews. Ergo, not all of the "smart" critics loved the movie. Try some research next time Einstein.

By the way, I said it was BS that X3 is hated by all X-fans like you said and it's BS that X3 somehow underperformed since it was front loaded. In fact, most of what you say is BS EXCEPT the fact that BB is a respected film. Like X3, respected critics such as Roger Ebert had their thumbs way up and deservingly so for both films.

After it's huge opening, X3's final gross was disappointing. It opened with $102 million, yet it hasn't even been able to beat X2's adjusted domestic gross of $233,842,453 yet (taken from http://leesmovieinfo.net)... so technically, X2 is still the highest grossing film in the trilogy. If done in today's dollars...

And considering X2 had a much lower budget than X3, I highly doubt the latter will generate as much profit as the former...

I hate to continue to burst bubbles around here by letting a little thing like reality come in to play but Batman Begins spent MORE on it's advertising budget then X3. A then record $100 million was spent on BB because the WB actually thought it was going to do Spider-Man type numbers. I can't wait to see how people spin this fact. Oh wait, yes I can.

Since you're in a bubble-bursting mood, could you please give me a link that supports what you said?

Note of advice: It's fine to stick to your opinion that you don't care for this movie but quit embarrassing yourselves by bringing up box office numbers and real facts.

Hahahahahaha. Good one.

 

[chaseter]

No, not really. Didnt really enjoy SR, and i dont try to defend it. much like the dumbass YJ1, you assume because of my SN that i have some bias for DC heroes.

And again....Potc was the number one movie for three weeks. X3 got beaten by a romantic comedy in its second, and faced a hulk like drop in numbers. it didnt have legs. no one wanted to see it more than once, besides fanboys.

A good Xmen flick wouldve had the majority of fans going back time and time again.

Nothing came out the following weekend to try and trump POTC. $400 million + worldwide is a staggering amount of money. POTC was a superior film to X3 and was expected to do better anyways. And to say that I assume you only watch DC movies was assanine. You are obviously trolling around in the X boards so you must enjoy Marvel films as well. I guess because my SN is Chaseter that I enjoy to chase things.

 

[javon]

- Storm hiding behind a car amid burning wreckage etc.

Hmmm...let me see...Storm hiding from debris not caring if an innocent is hurt by it....doesn't come to mind. (not towards you X-maniac)

 

[LastSunrise1981]

No, not really. Didnt really enjoy SR, and i dont try to defend it. much like the dumbass YJ1, you assume because of my SN that i have some bias for DC heroes.

And again....Potc was the number one movie for three weeks. X3 got beaten by a romantic comedy in its second, and faced a hulk like drop in numbers. it didnt have legs. no one wanted to see it more than once, besides fanboys.

A good Xmen flick wouldve had the majority of fans going back time and time again.

You mean kind of like X1 and X2 right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, those are boring X-Men movies that don't retain the frenetic ADD pace that Ratner loves and a lot of Wolverine fans seem to enjoy.

Oh well, thank God I still have my X1/X2.

 

[chaseter]

when a movie is hated by the critics and general audience/fans want to show they like it and they keep on top for three straight weeks and continual break records like pirates...

When you try to please every single fanboy out there that sits and home, reads comics, and trolls on internet boards to release their anger...it is going to be extrremely hard. You have to please die hard fans as well as make it for non fans. The X-Men have been around for decades and their stories are engraved into our minds. To change one little aspect of that story is going to enrage a lot of people because they are so stuck in their ways. POTC is a recent cultural phoenomenon and have no die hard fans that are 50+ and have been around studying their beloved character's story for 40 years.

 

[The Batman]

By the way, why is it that people have to bring BB and SR into the conversation to make X3 look good? The fact of the matter is, X3 isnt as good as you're trying to make it out to be, you're personal opinions aside

 

[chaseter]

You mean kind of like X1 and X2 right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, those are boring X-Men movies that don't retain the frenetic ADD pace that Ratner loves and a lot of Wolverine fans seem to enjoy.

Oh well, thank God I still have my X1/X2.

Nearly every critic slammed X1 and said what Singer did to those characters was atrocious. Does nobody remember this??? Does no one remember that X1 had lackluster box office numbers???

 

[CapBeerCino]

Once again CapBeerCino, the quotation in your signature holds true

The point is that there are certain fundamental characteristics that make the "X-Men" what they are. When you violate those characteristics, you take away the story's identity as being the X-men. You can interpret things any way you want to, you can do anything you want with the story, but when you make too many changes, end up with characters that are acting out of character and doing things out of character, and changed recognized, established stories around too much (crossing that imaginary but understood boundary), then that's fine but it shouldn't be called "X-Men" anymore.

We're complaining in the 'stop complaining thread' (very usefull thread it turned out to be )

 

[javon]

You mean kind of like X1 and X2 right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, those are boring X-Men movies that don't retain the frenetic ADD pace that Ratner loves and a lot of Wolverine fans seem to enjoy.

Oh well, thank God I still have my X1/X2.

I loved Storm in X1 and X2 better then X3.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Nearly every critic slammed X1 and said what Singer did to those characters was atrocious. Does nobody remember this??? Does no one remember that X1 had lackluster box office numbers???

 

[ntcrawler]

Now, to break it down for you YJ1, those are called negative reviews. Ergo, not all of the "smart" critics loved the movie. Try some research next time Einstein.

Smart critics are the ones that agree with him and loved the movie.

And considering X2 had a much lower budget than X3, I highly doubt the latter will generate as much profit as the former...

Exactly! X2 had the most "bang for the buck". X3's numbers for ticket sales are impressive until you realize just how much that movie cost to make, due in no small part to its rushed schedule and the premium they paid to rush those special effects. that was not good business sense, or movie-making magic.

 

[BMM]

Nearly every critic slammed X1 and said what Singer did to those characters was atrocious. Does nobody remember this??? Does no one remember that X1 had lackluster box office numbers???

I don't recall many critics even knowing who the X-Men were to make a statement regarding whether or not what he did to those characters was atrocious . . . but apparently they, nor anyone else, seemed to be too bothered by it and they seemed to like it well enough to want to see X2 and The Last Stand, not to mention superhero movies in general . . . which weren't overly popular in 2000.

I also don't recall X-Men being lackluster at all after it more than double its production budget domestically and almost quadrupled it worldwide. Apparently FOX didn't think so either when it greenlit the sequel via such profits. It ranks as the eigth most seen movie of its year. Didn't seem too bad to me. I'm glad it received the numbers it did. It, in addition to Blade's bump, showed people were willing to give superhero movies another chance.

 

[chaseter]

X1 was starting the franchise and people were weary. It didn't have great box office numbers and a lot of critics slammed Singer for his portrayal of the characters. However, over time...people began to see it was a good film. Then X2 comes along and Singer doubters are laid to rest. X2 did great and was a superior film. X3 had a chance to be a great film but fell short in many ways. It was not a great film but it was not a horrible film as a lot of people are making it out to be. Don't get me wrong...I liked X3 but thought it lacked things and could have been great.

I am just tired of all the constant complaints and rants on here from dissatifsied fanboys. We can't change anything and we get what we got...end of story. Your complaints are worth nothing when it comes to the Fox execs rolling in the money from their rushed movie.

 

[ntcrawler]

Nearly every critic slammed X1 and said what Singer did to those characters was atrocious. Does nobody remember this??? Does no one remember that X1 had lackluster box office numbers???

X1 wasn't meant to be the movie that owns all movies or THE summer blockbuster that X3 tries to be. It didn't try to generate that kind of hype. X1's production cost $60 million. X3's advertising budget alone was $40 million. That's alot of hype!

In addition, the level of anger and controversey generated by X1 pales in comparison to what X3 managed to achieve. And in addition, X1 may not have had the perfect story, and I agree the chars weren't all portrayed perfectly, but it was a decent way to at least test the waters. And unlike X3 it actually left things open on a hopeful note, making it clear there would be more stories to tell and sequels, instead of killing off 1/2 the cast in tragic or crazy circumstances and declaring that this is the big finish. And that is what generates anger.

 

[ntcrawler]

I don't recall many critics even knowing who the X-Men were to make a statement regarding whether or not what he did to those characters was atrocious . . .

good point. If they never read the comics or had any previous exposure to the X-men how would they know whether characters were portrayed in an atrocious way or not?

 

[The Batman]

Nothing came out the following weekend to try and trump POTC. $400 million + worldwide is a staggering amount of money. POTC was a superior film to X3 and was expected to do better anyways. And to say that I assume you only watch DC movies was assanine. You are obviously trolling around in the X boards so you must enjoy Marvel films as well. I guess because my SN is Chaseter that I enjoy to chase things.

1. Since when is making 157 million bucks on a 75 mill budget lackluster?

2. I love it! I'm a troll cause i dont like this movie. brilliant.

3. The fact that a romantic comedy beat X3 in its second week is sad. POTC had little man and You me and dupree and still beat them. For the second biggest movie of the year to get beat by a movie of the same caliber is pathetic, no matter how you spin it.

 

[ntcrawler]

We're complaining in the 'stop complaining thread' (very usefull thread it turned out to be )

Haha, yeah but at least we're not whining like those pesky comic nerds and fanboys we keep hearing trollers complain about

 

[chaseter]

good point. If they never read the comics or had any previous exposure to the X-men how would they know whether characters were portrayed in an atrocious way or not?

Then how would critics know anything about the comic counterparts in X3 and therefore slam it for being so off base???

 

[Obsidian]

Nearly every critic slammed X1 and said what Singer did to those characters was atrocious. Does nobody remember this??? Does no one remember that X1 had lackluster box office numbers???

Where are you getting your information? As I recall X1 was well recieved. It wasn't doing superb, but pretty damn good. It has an 80% rating while X-Men: The Last Stand had a 57%. If X1 had lackluster box office numbers, they wouldn't have greenlit a sequel.

 

[BMM]

Then how would critics know anything about the comic counterparts in X3 and therefore slam it for being so off base???

I didn't find the critics to be slamming The Last Stand regarding its comic book counterparts. I remember them slamming The Last Stand in comparison to its previous movie counterparts, as well as its merits as a stand alone film.

 

[chaseter]

1. Since when is making 157 million bucks on a 75 mill budget lackluster?

2. I love it! I'm a troll cause i dont like this movie. brilliant.

3. The fact that a romantic comedy beat X3 in its second week is sad. POTC had little man and You me and dupree and still beat them. For the second biggest movie of the year to get beat by a movie of the same caliber is pathetic, no matter how you spin it.

What about Jen's breakup with Brad and her now romantic relationship with the man she is now in a movie with??? Little Man had no hype and neither did Dupree. I am not defending X3's huge drop because FOX f***** all of us over. X3 was not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be. That and the constant complaints in here is what is getting me mad.

 

[chaseter]

I didn't find the critics to be slamming The Last Stand regarding its comic book counterparts. I remember them slamming The Last Stand in comparison to its previous movie counterparts, as well as its merits as a stand alone film.

It had different writers, a different director, and a different crew...what did you expect???

 

[ntcrawler]

I didn't find the critics to be slamming The Last Stand regarding its comic book counterparts. I remember them slamming The Last Stand in comparison to its previous movie counterparts, as well as its merits as a stand alone film.

Exactly. You don't have to be a veteran comic reader to understand that X3 deviates from the previous two films, with which the audience is fairly familiar by now, and which set the standard and framework.

 

[javon]

I didn't find the critics to be slamming The Last Stand regarding its comic book counterparts. I remember them slamming The Last Stand in comparison to its previous movie counterparts, as well as its merits as a stand alone film.

Me too. And they had a reason to say what they said reguarding it's previous movie counterparts.

 

[chaseter]

Where are you getting your information? As I recall X1 was well recieved. It wasn't doing superb, but pretty damn good. It has an 80% rating while X-Men: The Last Stand had a 57%. If X1 had lackluster box office numbers, they wouldn't have greenlit a sequel.

Memory
Where are you getting yours??? It was a sleeper hit IMO...If you are at RT then that is biased. The majority of people that post reviews at RT are internet junkies that spend time on boards and know those character's respective history...meh I give up...off to the Spidey boards.