Suicide: Is it right or wrong?

[Sentinel X]

Image for a second that there was no point in living. You had no job, no family, no purpose for living, and everything you do just causes harm to everybody around you.

If someone was that depressed, I'm sure they would rather end their lives peacefully than walk down a street at night and have a kid in a hoody who doesn't even know them stab them to death.

Exactly. Sure the person has a point for living but if he/she doesnt feel that way and commits suicide its not wrong. That person is being emotionally murdered slowly everyday of his or her life and decides one day to finally end it. Its a tragic thing but I understand why they wouldve done it and Im sympathetic. The only reason I say suicide is 'wrong' is when it comes to those stock market people that kill themselves cause their stock went down...or when a gamer commits suicide cause they lost a game....now that is just absurd

Suicide is a tragedy, and outside of a very select few scenarios (most of them I'm sure romanticised) it should not happen. That said, I take great offesne to those that call it the "coward's way out". I'm sorry, but that is the mindset of someone lucky enough to have never been put in the place of a person who goes through with it. The instinct to live is strong, and the fear of death and what lies beyond is overwhelming. It takes a great deal of desperation and a great deal of certianty to willingly take one's own life. There is no doubt in my mind that the people who tritely demean those who die by suicide could not in any way deal with such burdens that lead a person to such a state. That said, people who do take their own lives are very often not in a mindset to see the other options available to them and consider them rationaly. This is why suicide is so tragic, because it is almost always preventable, and yet it is often so very hard to understand a person enough to see it coming.

I also fins it offensive saying its "a cowards way out"...ANY human can easily be depressed and not everyone has friends and family

 

[JLBats]

Yes I'm lonely wanna die
Yes I'm lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

In the morning wanna die
In the evening wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

My mother was of the sky
My father was of the earth
But I am of the universe
And you know what it's worth
I'm lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

The eagle picks my eye
The worm he licks my bone
I feel so suicidal
Just like Dylan's Mr. Jones
I'm Lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

The black cloud crossed my mind
Blue mist round my soul
Feel so suicidal
Even hate my rock and roll wanna die
Yeah, wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

Yes, I'm lonely wanna die
Yes, I'm lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why
Yes, I'm lonely wanna die

 

[The Shape]

Image for a second that there was no point in living. You had no job, no family, no purpose for living, and everything you do just causes harm to everybody around you.

If someone was that depressed, I'm sure they would rather end their lives peacefully than walk down a street at night and have a kid in a hoody who doesn't even know them stab them to death.

No point in living?

Ok. You have no job. Well get yourself together and find one. Take some classes. Go back to school. Learn something and get a job.

No family? That's very sad, and extremely hard to deal with. But get yourself out there. Meet people. Make friends. Find love and try to create a family of your own, because that's what life is all about.

No purpose for living? Well, it's up to you to find a purpose. Even if someone's life could be as bad as you say, it's usually in their power to make things better and to continue living. Don't take the easy way out, because you never know what you might be missing.

 

[Herr Logan]

People should have the right to decide when their life ends. Humans-- or at least some-- have evolved past the point where survival is an unquestionable goal. Many people are not brainwashed and gullible enough to believe they owe some higher power a debt for being born.

A living human uses up resources that could be used by others in their absence. If a person deems their own life unnecessary, then they should have the option of leaving those resources for someone else.
Will the people left behind be devastated? That's the risk and cost of loving someone who doesn't see life worth living. If you don't want to feel loss, don't get attached.

If suicide were to be a legal right, I think there should be mandatory counseling and affordable therapeutic medication. If that's not enough to change their minds, then a quick and painless method of death (which should also be used for the death penalty, since our system of "justice" should be about protection and not revenge) should be supplied.
If someone has been in therapy and on antidepressants for 14 years, for example, and they still want to die, then it's time to cut the crap and just get it over with.

 

[Herr Logan]

Suicide is a tragedy, and outside of a very select few scenarios (most of them I'm sure romanticised) it should not happen. That said, I take great offesne to those that call it the "coward's way out". I'm sorry, but that is the mindset of someone lucky enough to have never been put in the place of a person who goes through with it. The instinct to live is strong, and the fear of death and what lies beyond is overwhelming. It takes a great deal of desperation and a great deal of certianty to willingly take one's own life. There is no doubt in my mind that the people who tritely demean those who die by suicide could not in any way deal with such burdens that lead a person to such a state. That said, people who do take their own lives are very often not in a mindset to see the other options available to them and consider them rationaly. This is why suicide is so tragic, because it is almost always preventable, and yet it is often so very hard to understand a person enough to see it coming.

Great post.

 

[muertevilla]

No I ain't hinting for sympathy
I'm used to dealing with apathy
The scars on my wrists may seem like a crime
Just wish me better luck next time

So what if I died a thousand deaths
You think I'm insane but I have no regrets
One more time won't matter no question
Suicide is self expression.

-Type O Negative

 

[Apollo]

I think it's a sad thing, but if you want to die, for cripe sake get some use out of it. Sell everything you own, buy yourself a plane ticket to New York, get yourself a super-hero identity and fight crime until someone shoots you dead in the street.

exactly, thats what i would do. like sacrificing your self for a good cause

 

[unstoppable]

I think it's wrong in every way, it doesn't matter what has happened there are still a lot of things left to think about for those people who are left behind... it's a cowardly way and nothing is ever bad enough that someone should kill themself... it's selfish and there is always better options that taking your own life

agreed

 

[Killgore]

This thread needs some motivational posters.

 

[Wolfwood]

Suicide is a permanent solution to what usually is a short term problem.

 

[Leto Atrides]

Wow, whole lot of self-important *******s in this thread. This is an extremely complicated issue, and the people who do so are extremely conflicted people. Is it good? Not at all. But are they just selfish cowards who don't care about others? Of course not.

 

[Orko Is King]

Why kill yourself when you can kill other people?

 

[Tally Man]

Suicide is a permanent solution to what usually is a short term problem.

Whenever someone mentions this I always laugh and think back to this Bash quote.

<Neo-Tokyo>wouldn't you say suicide is a permenant solution to a temporary problem?
<`[6]>I'm a Buddhist, I'd say suicide is a temporary solution to a permenant problem.

As for my view well its your body so your free to do what you want with it so long as you don't infringe upon anothers rights. If you want to clog your arteries with fat so be it or if you want to kill yourself go ahead. Just don't do it in a way that infringes on anothers rights and your well within your rights to do it.

 

[The Question]

It depends. If the person is in a situation where they're horribly crippled, or are in an intense amount of pain that isn't going to get relieved, and they would have no way of living with that, then it would probably be a mercy. But if things have just gotten really ****ty for them, then they need to suck it up and bounce back. There's really only one bit of advice that applies to everyone: You've just got to keep on breathing.

 

[Warhammer]

IMO, It is really bad if you are so damn stupid that you let music influence it.
Suicide is also pretty stupid anyway in situations like "OMG, I have no purpose in life" or "Marilyn Manson told me to do it, so I like don't care, gosh".

...damn stoners and such.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Ironically,there is the exact same topic on my own forum.I can just say from what debate there..

Some would say that suicide is "the easy way out" but this is often from people who have never been in the situation,in which they thought about killing themselfs.A number of things can be the reason,too much to even list,and why would be different for each person.

The best responce,is from someone who has been in that situation.Either someone who really thought about it,or someone who actually knew someone who did.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Suicide is a permanent solution to what usually is a short term problem.

Well put

 

[Lantern Venom]

I was just wondering what you guys thought about suicide. Do you agree with it? In some cases, is it acceptable? Or should we just be grateful for what we have and remember that there are people less fortunate than us?

Personally, I think if someone is so convinced that the only option left is to take their own life, I think they should have the right to make up their own mind. As long as it doesn't involve other people, eg. walking in front of a bus, mentally scarring that bus driver for the rest of his/her life.

Anyways, I'm really interested to hear your views.

It is indeed wrong. Life is God given and precious. There are a few exceptions where it is a better option such as those who may have the impulse to kill others. However, as a rule, we should honor the gift of our Creator.

 

[chaseter]

It is wrong and selfish.

 

[Harlekin]

Suicide just ain't right, yo.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think it's the wimpy way out.

You've obviously never had your bones and organs swiftly eaten out by cancer after months of being poisoned alive by radiation and chemicals for no reason.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Every suicide is one more person I don't have to deal with.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Suicide is a move for cowards. Simple as that.

Well let me ask you this. Are you brave enough to put yourself in a situation you know will kill yourself?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It does not always have to be a cowardly act. It can be a very well thought out, reasonable choice.

I hate it here in Kansas City. It sucks. I've had it. I'm moving to L.A.

I hate my freaking wife. She's cheating on me and despises me. Plus, she got fat. I'm getting a divorce.

This life sucks. I see nothing left to recommend it. The pain of living is pointless. I'm going to end my life.



People are such narrow-minded, puritanical judgemental know-it-alls.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

If you kill yourself for attention, then people will pay attention at first and feel bad for you, then later they'll move on and forget about you. They will have a life and you won't.

Killing yourself is dumb.

Unless you're saving someone else and risk your own life. That's different though.

I think the main problem I have here, is none of this really justifies living either. Life will come to an end, and eveitably you will be forgotten, a blip on a screen. Snuffed out like a candle, as Buddism says.

So really if you kill yourself for attention, it's no different from living. Arguably that person is attempting to live on in thoughts, remorseful thoughts, but thoughts none the less. Similarly people have families and leave legacies in attempts to achieve the same end.

Some people could argue the suicide is in fact braver because those people are choosing to step into death while others wait to be dragged kicking and screaming, holding onto their last ounce of life.

Socrates believed people became very obsessed with the notion of immortality. That they were incomplete and lived on and achieved in an attempt to make themselves complete.

I think it's human nature for us to attach "value" to lives, especially our own. However whether this value is real or merely an attempt to make a finite and short existence bearable is up for debate.

Basically though, real or otherwise, it would take a lot of mental fortitude (or insanity) to rid ourselves of that notion of value and take everything we have a turn it to nothingness. I won't go so far as to call every suicide victim brave, but I certainly will not call them cowards.