is it wrong to be proud of who you are?

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  1. the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7276684.stm

    this newest news has got me thinking has the world become so pc that no one can be proud of there heritage, and do you agree with the culture minister that events like the proms should be banned
     
  2. X-Punisher Registered

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    it would be the funniest thing ever if they banned prom. "Don't feel proud about yourself you peice of ****!!!1!!"
     
  3. the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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  4. Joker Registered

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    I dont understand being proud of being from a certain country, or from a certain race/ethnicity. You had no control over it. As George Carlin says, no one says things like "I'm proud of having a genetic predisposition towards being an alcoholic," which is the same kind of s**t. Be proud of what you have accomplished yourself, not that your parents happened to be Itallian and f**ked or whatever.
     
  5. terry78 My name is Stefan, sweet thang

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    Being proud only works if you or your people had to overcome something or were persecuted. If you haven't had to deal with ****, your pride is viewed as moot. It's viewed as being mockery or satirical if you weren't.
     
  6. Joker Registered

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    I would say it's moot and void unless you yourself have overcame something. I'm mostly Irish, yet I dont go around talking about how we survived the potato phamine like I did it myself.
     
  7. Addendum Registered

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    I agree
     
  8. ObakeTora vThe "real" Ghost-Tiger!v

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    Now Ive heard everything.
     
  9. bullets bang bang

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    I really don't see an issue with hanging a flag and having pride to be latino , irish , or whatever background . I have an issue with gang pride.
     
  10. Joker Registered

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    But why would you be proud that your parents just happned to be Latino or whatever, and just happened to be in the US when they f**ked or whatever? It makes no sense to be proud of something that you had no say in, or control over.

    If you study your ass off, and get a 4.0 GPA in med school, that's something to be proud of. Hell, even getting a new high score in your local arcades Galaga machine is something to be proud of, cause at least you did it. But being proud of your genetics and location you were born is just f**king stupid.

    And we all know what pride comes before.
     
  11. MadeManifest Registered

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    Fortune, acclaim, love, and lots of cash.
     
  12. mightiest_mortal Much Mightier than thou!

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    Well, I'm a White English Male, so If I have any pride in that I'm classed as racist these days.

    England has become a joke.
    People don't want anything about the British Empire taught in schools because we're apparently meant to be ashamed of it.
    People tried to ban flying the English Flag in public.. they had an actual protest. Having England flags/England stipes on shirts is still banned from a lot of Schools/pubs/companies/prisons around the country. Apparently waving an English flag is racist too.
    There was even a cemetry that had to take down everything with crosses on it because all of the people in the area found them offensive too.

    The government needs to get some balls and let people be proud to be English. Sure, we're just a crappy little country half the size of most of the others, but we took over half the world, just for fun, and we could do it again if we wanted :)
     
  13. Joker Registered

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    ha ha ha...no you couldnt. You couldnt even defend yourself from the germans. Now, go play nice with the rest of your little european union.
     
  14. BlackLantern Registered

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    England had the upper hand simply because they were using the church to scare people and buring and raping anyone who said otherwise...
     
  15. Arkady Rossovich Registered

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    Some do care,others don't..and just do it anyway. Be proud,if it was me..i would do it anyway.
     
  16. odiin Registered

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    Yes. Very wrong.
     
  17. Hobgoblin Veritas veritatum

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    Not really. Although I do wonder WHY we feel pride in our ethnic origins. Like The Joker said, its not like I personally survived the potato famine. As people always say ,"I'm of such and such a background, but what matters is that I'm American." I've heard Lou Dobbs say that he thinks we should do away with ethnic holidays like St Patricks Day, because we are all Americans now. He doesnt know what his background is and he doesnt care. I see what he says, but I like knowing my background. I like ethnic holidays. I dunno, sometimes I think its more interesting being of German, Irish and Norwegian background than it is to be American.
     
  18. bullets bang bang

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    It's not stupid to acknowledge where you are from. These people are showing that they are not ashamed and paying homage to what they consider to be a great country.
     
  19. hammy American Ham

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    Depends. Personal accomplishment and pride is more important than merely what color skin or background you have. But national pride is important. When people are no longer proud of their country, that's bad.
     
  20. Joker Registered

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    I agree there. But if you go on about being "proud to be an american" only because that's what you've been indoctrinated to say since birth as opposed to actually looking at the options, that's wrong.

    I for one am proud to be an American because I believe in what this country should and could be (and is unfortunately not). I want to believe that if put in a situation where it called for it, I would be able to stand up and defend that.

    But I also acknowledge we could defintely be doing better as a country. Canada is pretty much kicking our ass in every way at the moment. CANADA! They're hardly even a real country for gods sake.

    So my pride comes bittersweet, and with a small amount of hope. As opposed to the people yelling "love it or leave it" like it was the national catchphrase, and have no real idea why they love America and are proud to be American other than they've had it hammered into there heads that it's "the greatest country on the face of the earth" since they were kids.
     
  21. El ASESINO Registered

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    There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country.
     
  22. Joker Registered

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    What if you live in North Korea? Or Saudi Arabia? Or pre-9/11 Afghanistan? Are you ok with them being proud of living in countries where women are treated like 2nd class citizens (even more than they are here) and are ruled by crazy religous people (even more so than here, again)?
     
  23. bullets bang bang

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    I'm proud to be American because of the opportunites that we have. I wouldn't argue that my country is better than any other. That would be a display of arrogance. There are alot of countries with good ideas we could adapt.
     
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    Some people including woman who live in those places are proud of their county.I can't say why they are, but they are. If thay are happy and proud of their country than so be it. Nothing wrong with being proud.
     
  25. hammy American Ham

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    That is so true. America is a great country, without question. For such a young country, 'we' (used loosely in the collective sense) have accomplished so much and done so much good. And we still have people literally dieing, trying to get here. BUT, we could be sooo much better. We could adapt strategies that are working elsewhere that would benefit our people, and we could put an end to a lot of the crap that seems to be perpetuated, congress after congress. More than anything, I'm disgusted with politicians. They are the ones we entrust the wellbeing of ourselves and our entire country to, and time and time again they let us down.
     

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