Superhero Cinematic Civil War - - - - Part 44

[Zarex]

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[Kahran Ramsus]

I didn't care for Mangold's comments really. He went after post credit scenes HARD. I think they're fun and I always enjoy waiting to see a little tease for a future movie. It adds something special to the experience that most movies don't have. And I don't care if it's basically a commercial for the next movie, because I'm already looking forward to the next one. So any little tease or extra scene is fun.

Didn't his own Wolverine film have one at the end anyway?

Yes, it did. The airport scene with Logan, Xavier, and Magneto.

They are just fun teasers for the fans, so I don't see the problem. You can just leave the theater if you aren't interested. I always watch the credits anyways.

It isn't like they are anything new either. It has been a thing since at least the early 80s with films like Airplane. The one in Deadpool is even a direct spoof of the one from Ferris Bueller three decades earlier.

 

[honestbharani]

Mangold's comments were, with all due respect, just absolutely mindblowingly stupid.

 

[Mjölnir]

I honestly think it's quite pathetic for a grown man to have such a problem with that people like things that he doesn't. He only made himself come off as bad with that rant.

 

[Zarex]

I wonder how Jimmy feels about blooper reels.

 

[Drizzle]

James Mangold acts like post-credit scenes killed his parents and dog. Relax, bro. Especially coming from someone who had a credits scene in one of his films.

I've never had a problem with the credit scenes in the Marvel films. They've ranged from awesome (Iron Man, The Avengers) to hilarious (Guardians of the Galaxy, Spider-Man: Homecoming) to pointless, since they're just scenes pulled directly from the next movie anyway (the Mjolnir tease at the end of Iron Man 2, the Cap/Sam/Bucky scene at the end of Ant-Man). The only time I thought was overkill was Guardians Vol. 2's five scenes. I would have been fine with just the Adam Warlock tease and maybe the Teenage Groot bit.

 

[Quasimod0]

Worst case scenario is that you wasted a few minutes to watch a pointless scene. And it's totally optional. I can see what he's saying about how the movies need to stick the landing and have a satisfying ending. But I feel like most of the movies with end credits scenes have pretty great endings.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Not really sure why he needed to get so worked up about it. Some films work better with them while most just don't. No one is holding a gun to his head to include them in any future work.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Feige mentioned that he put end credits scenes so the audience can see and appreciate how many people put in the work to make a movie.

 

[The Chris]

It just seems like something that really shouldn't matter much in the end, especially to let it enrage you like that. You want them in your movie? Go for it. You don't? Don't do it. It's really not a big enough deal for ranting.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Feige mentioned that he put end credits scenes so the audience can see and appreciate how many people put in the work to make a movie.

And I don't believe this one bit.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

And I don't believe this one bit.

That or he didn’t want the movie to end.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ci...-post-credits-scenes-according-to-kevin-feige

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Worst case scenario is that you wasted a few minutes to watch a pointless scene. And it's totally optional. I can see what he's saying about how the movies need to stick the landing and have a satisfying ending. But I feel like most of the movies with end credits scenes have pretty great endings.

I definitely don't want the ending of the film put into the credits. But the vast, vast majority of the time it is just a fun one-off joke or a teaser for the next film. Things that don't belong in the main film anyways.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I disagree with Mangold about being so worked up about post-credits scenes, but overall I agree. I dislike them, especially if it's a teaser for a sequel. I like when the film stands on it's own. Has a definitive ending without any "in the next episode". But there are rather innocent cases like an epilogue, i.e. shawarma scene. Fits the idea of not wanting a film to end.

 

[flickchick85]

I like his films, but as a CBM director, Mangold has always struck me as someone who looks down on the very genre he's contributing to and is taking it upon himself to "elevate" it, so I can't say this rant surprises me in the least. Seems pretty in-character to me.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Having a little Easter egg or teasing the next project is not a big deal since it's like a reward for the fans who choose to sit for a few extra minutes.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thank you James Mangold for your post-credits scenes opinion. I'm glad I'm not alone on that. Can't post it here because there's an f-bomb in every second word.

It reads like he targets bad movies with that trend, not the overall idea.

 

[Flint Marko]

James Mangold on end-credit scenes: “It means you couldn’t land your ****ing movie is what it means.”

What a terrible take. I mean maybe that’s true of mediocre nonsense like the first two Wolverine movies.... of which he had a hand in.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

James Mangold on end-credit scenes: “It means you couldn’t land your ****ing movie is what it means.”

What a terrible take. I mean maybe that’s true of mediocre nonsense like the first two Wolverine movies.... of which he had a hand in.

This is why it reads like it's aimed at bad movies

Like, that audiences are actually asking for scenes in end credits when those scenes were first developed for movies that suck, so they put something extra at the end to pick up the scores when the movie couldn't end right on its own feet.

As for the first Wolverine movie

Directed by.......Gavin Hood
Produced by.......Lauren Shuler Donner
. . . . . . .Ralph Winter
. . . . . . . . . . . . Hugh Jackman
. . . . . . . . . . . . John Palermo
Screenplay by....David Benioff
. . . . . . . . . . . . Skip Woods

He's not part of it

 

[UltimatePyro9]

I disagree with Mangold about being so worked up about post-credits scenes, but overall I agree. I dislike them, especially if it's a teaser for a sequel. I like when the film stands on it's own. Has a definitive ending without any "in the next episode". But there are rather innocent cases like an epilogue, i.e. shawarma scene. Fits the idea of not wanting a film to end.

Even if the end credits scenes do tease upcoming movies, it’s not like the movie is dependent on these credits scenes. The movie still stands on its own. The moment the credits appear, anyone in the audience has the option to leave, fulfilled that they saw the movie. If they want to watch the end credits scene, they can stay and watch it if they want to, even if it ends up being a teaser for another movie. These teasers could be done much worse. Remember the meta human file scene in BVS and the Progidum in The Mummy. There, those interrupt the flow of the movie so the studios can showcase its press kit for its upcoming movies. At least most of the MCU teases are at the end credits.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Even if the end credits scenes do tease upcoming movies, it’s not like the movie is dependent on these credits scenes. The movie still stands on its own. The moment the credits appear, anyone in the audience has the option to leave, fulfilled that they saw the movie. If they want to watch the end credits scene, they can stay and watch it if they want to, even if it ends up being a teaser for another movie. These teasers could be done much worse. Remember the meta human file scene in BVS and the Progidum in The Mummy. There, those interrupt the flow of the movie so the studios can showcase its press kit for its upcoming movies. At least most of the MCU teases are at the end credits.

Now that, I really do dislike.

 

[2kt09]

These teasers could be done much worse. Remember the meta human file scene in BVS and the Progidum in The Mummy. There, those interrupt the flow of the movie so the studios can showcase its press kit for its upcoming movies. At least, most of the MCU teases used to be at the end credits.

If you catch my drift.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If you catch my drift.

I'd say it is the other way around. Two of the most blatant examples of Marvel doing it were TIH and IM2, which were two of the first films they did. Arguably the ending to TFA too. They've gotten away from that more recently, with the big exception being Age of Ultron.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Post credit and mid credit scenes in MCU movies are basically useless. Three times I thought they make for a valued tease are:
Iron Man 1 - End Credits
The Winter Soldier - Mid credits (I think that's the Bucky one, that serves the story)
Spider-Man: Homecoming - Mid credits scene


The rest are useless fluff that are either useless or seen again in a follow-up movie.

 

[2kt09]

I'd say it is the other way around. Two of the most blatant examples of Marvel doing it were TIH and IM2, which were two of the first films they did. They've gotten away from that more recently, with the big exception being Age of Ultron.

More recently, we're talking about Dr Strange and GOTG2 as having only the teaser for the shared universe at the end or practically none whatsoever.
Although, heck...infinity stone...totally forgot about that