Superman effects

Yeah, I'm almost positive the whole sequence is Lester. Perry telling Clark about the terrorists and Lois, the alley change, and Paris/the elevator bomb. In the Donner version, the XK101 rocket from the first movie frees the villains, which removes any need for the Paris sequence.
 
I would like to see a scene in which we experience from Superman's POV a take off, flying up into space and then flying down to a remote location all in one shot. Tell me that wouldn't be cool.
 
BlueLantern said:
The opening sequence from the aliens on Ryut to Abin Sur crash landing on Earth seemed like a video game sequence.
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Sony didn't do the opening sequence of Green Lantern, that was another company. Agreed, the graphics in that opening didn't look too hot.
 
For some reason I think Snyder will go with a green screen over flying rigs. I just don't think he has that much experience in practical effects. Both can look good don't get me wrong. I just think he will stick with his strengths.
 
Astrodust, no offence meant, but I do hope you are as wrong as a wrong day in Wrongsville and that flying rigs are used as much as possible. :)

I just don't think CG effects are good enough to convey the realism of a human(oid) flying. Perhaps it is something to with a real body's centre of gravity and its inertia. It just doesn't look convincing enough and, for me, it takes away my suspension of disbelief. Certainly I felt like that watching most of the flying in Superman Returns.

And if you want to see bad CG effects of humans jumping and fighting, take a look at the fight scene when vampires invade Blade's headquarters in the 2nd movie. There is no weight or inertia to the bodies. They just jump around like rag dolls.
 
I prefer flying rigs actually. I want them to use practical effects whenever they can. That's the one thing that I really like about Michael Bay. He will avoid cgi when he can and use real locations and effects. Going to see Transformers 3 today actually. Back to the point. It's not that I don't want Snyder to use rigs, I'm just not sure he is experienced in them.
 
Actually one thing that I really liked about Terminator Salvation was their use of live action effects where possible. Perhaps we are going to see a resurgence of this sort of thing and a move away from CG for CG`s sake.
 
dr. manhattan aside, doesn't snyder prefer not to use cgi bodies? thinking bout watchmen and 300...usually in action he has the real actor do the flyin
 
^in sucker punch when baby doll fought the samurai he used a cgi body anytime she got tossed around in the air
 
Probably was cheaper. Sucker Punch didn't have that great of a budget.
 
Saw Transformers last night and made me think about the effects for Superman. First off the cinematography was great so I have high hopes for MoS. Secondly the real objects and explosions look better than cgi stuff.

I am now torn between whether they should use flying rigs for Superman vs greenscreen. I think they should still use some wire system with the green screen but I think it can look convincing without a rig. Remember Superman doesn't obey the law of physics the way people do. He stops and speeds down at will. It should still be better than GL though.

Lastly 3D can work. Saw a 3D trailer for Captain America that made me think it looks awful and second guess seeing Transformers in 3D. But the 3D in Transformers was really good. I figured the robot stuff would look good but the human stuff did too. Best 3D to date no questions. So 3D can work but will it is the question. I have no doubt a Superman film can benefit from 3D but not bad 3D.
 
IIRC TRansformers 3 was shot in 3D and not converted in post. That's why it looked good.

3D conversions are almost always rubbish.
 
I only saw GL in 2D so I can't really comment on it, but the 3D in Transformers was amazing. Also post conversion 3D can look really good as well if they take their time and have the right people working on it. I have no doubt that Star Wars will look great. Also movies filmed with 3D cameras can look crappy too. Parts of Avatar looked like cardboard.
 
For those of you who haven't seen Megamind, watch the part of this clip that starts around 58 sec:

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I think it's the agility Metro Man has in mid-flight what I like the most (not just a guy with his arms out in front of him). That's the style I want to see used for Superman flying. It would be completely different from what we've seen so far and give that roller coaster feeling to the audience.
 
Just got back from TF3. I hope to hell Snyder watches this, because visually and stylistically, Bay just raised the bar dramatically for a blockbuster spectacle.

TF1 convinced me that we were starting to get into an era in which CG, budget, and directorial vision, were all coming together to pull off the type of crazy destruction and scale that we all loved to see as kids in cartoons. Avatar took it to the next level.

TF3 just blew that out of the water. It's clear to me Bay is ahead of anyone in Hollywood right now in pulling off massively scaled action. That last 40 minutes or so -- WOW. Rarely do I get impressed by stuff like this. It's not the first time we've seen a movie try to execute large scaled action. The only difference here is that ambition was matched by technical proficiency. There are no more excuses now. A full-scale battleground can be pulled off, and rendered well even with CG characters. The fact that he did all this on top of real shooting plates is a grand achievement.

There are a few moments where we are right next to a group of guys in wingsuits, flying through Chicago. It is breathtaking. You're right next to them, you could feel the speed, and most importantly, it looked real. I know Bay shot a lot of it in the actual air, but I'm sure CG was used to enhance the environments and the actors for certain shots. Whatever the case, Snyder needs to follow up on this. There was not a single instance in this movie where I felt the CG was lacking. Bay doesn't get enough credit for the magic he pulls off on-screen, and with lots of practicality. Snyder has similar sensibilities, and with adopting a more realistic shooting method this time around, I'm hoping he'll have the type of success Bay accomplished.
 
KRIM said:
Just got back from TF3. I hope to hell Snyder watches this, because visually and stylistically, Bay just raised the bar dramatically for a blockbuster spectacle.

TF1 convinced me that we were starting to get into an era in which CG, budget, and directorial vision, were all coming together to pull off the type of crazy destruction and scale that we all loved to see as kids in cartoons. Avatar took it to the next level.

TF3 just blew that out of the water. It's clear to me Bay is ahead of anyone in Hollywood right now in pulling off massively scaled action. That last 40 minutes or so -- WOW. Rarely do I get impressed by stuff like this. It's not the first time we've seen a movie try to execute large scaled action. The only difference here is that ambition was matched by technical proficiency. There are no more excuses now. A full-scale battleground can be pulled off, and rendered well even with CG characters. The fact that he did all this on top of real shooting plates is a grand achievement.

There are a few moments where we are right next to a group of guys in wingsuits, flying through Chicago. It is breathtaking. You're right next to them, you could feel the speed, and most importantly, it looked real. I know Bay shot a lot of it in the actual air, but I'm sure CG was used to enhance the environments and the actors for certain shots. Whatever the case, Snyder needs to follow up on this. There was not a single instance in this movie where I felt the CG was lacking. Bay doesn't get enough credit for the magic he pulls off on-screen, and with lots of practicality. Snyder has similar sensibilities, and with adopting a more realistic shooting method this time around, I'm hoping he'll have the type of success Bay accomplished.
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Well given that Snyder somewhat specializes in Visuals as well, I think we're in store for quite a treat as well. Let's just hope that he avoids pulling the mistake that Bay does in most of films and actually give dramatic reasoning within the lead/build up to the fight so that people can be emotionally invested in seeing the action sequences as well, thus making the experience that much more better.


Speaking of which, I wonder what type of effects they'll do for the opening credits for this film? So far, no other superman film before MOS has done anything different from the traditional crawling texts through space feature.
 
Poni_Boy said:
For those of you who haven't seen Megamind, watch the part of this clip that starts around 58 sec:

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I think it's the agility Metro Man has in mid-flight what I like the most (not just a guy with his arms out in front of him). That's the style I want to see used for Superman flying. It would be completely different from what we've seen so far and give that roller coaster feeling to the audience.
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Fixed. :cwink:
 
herolee10 said:
Well given that Snyder somewhat specializes in Visuals as well, I think we're in store for quite a treat as well. Let's just hope that he avoids pulling the mistake that Bay does in most of films and actually give dramatic reasoning within the lead/build up to the fight so that people can be emotionally invested in seeing the action sequences as well, thus making the experience that much more better.
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I personally thought the drama and emotional components were amped up for TF3, so it did help in the last act for those scenes that drew the stakes high.

But even if it was lacking, honestly Bay's choreography (especially here) was so goddamn impressive and appealing, I'm quite confident the audience just does not care. There were so many money-shots that had you preoccupied with how astonishing it was, it didn't matter if the people involved were random strangers or a close loved one.

Snyder's good at those small instances of capturing a "cool" moment. But I don't think he's tried anything close to level of complexity Bay has perfected.
 
I'v heard the camera guy from the transformers film will be on this film. Also this is Snyder first chance where he gets to do something like a Transformers where he can go all out. He really couldn't do that in 300, Sucker Punch, and Watchmen.
 
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