Superman in the Marvel Universe (a purely theoretical discussion)

[DestinyMakerX]

I think Superman technically is in the 616 universe because he had team-ups with marvel characters. he just lives in metropolis

 

[venom892]

I don't think those crossovers count in overall continuity.

 

[Obi-Ron]

And those of us who like our heroes to be good guys don't want him in Marvel either, so relax, zombie.

No need to be insulting, Mr. Poopy Pants.

 

[The Geek Vault]

And those of us who like our heroes to be good guys don't want him in Marvel either, so relax, zombie.

Superman will never be sold to another publisher. DC has a clear trademark on the name and on the character. It's the same reason that Bob Kane's family can't just sell off Batman, even though I believe they have an ownership stake in the character.

sweetness I'm a zombie! Anywho yeah I just reread what I said and it probably did sound kind of dumb. I just personally find superman to god-like to be fighting on Earth, If marvel took him and put him in space on par with Silver Surfer and Fire-Lord I'd be ok with him but I wouldn't him as an Earth-bound hero

 

[Anubis]

So, you think that's where they should put Thor too?

 

[Aristotle]

I don't think those crossovers count in overall continuity.

In DC continuity, I think they do. JLA/Avengers does, at any rate.

 

[Xofenroht]

Hahaha. DC continuity...

 

[Aristotle]

...doesn't have random demons retconning it for stupid reasons.
...doesn't bear the ugly mark of one EIC's moralistic views on smoking.
...has never been as bad as 1990s Marvel continuity was.
...has a justifiable reason for far more of its retcons than Marvel continuity.
...boasted some of the tightest, best-edited continuity in comics history from about 1996 until the One Year Later jump.

 

[iloveclones]

...gets pounded in sales month, after month, after month....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

...doesn't have random demons retconning it for stupid reasons.
...doesn't bear the ugly mark of one EIC's moralistic views on smoking.
...has never been as bad as 1990s Marvel continuity was.
...has a justifiable reason for far more of its retcons than Marvel continuity.
...boasted some of the tightest, best-edited continuity in comics history from about 1996 until the One Year Later jump.

Yeah, and if we were still in that era, I'd have defended it right alongside you. But now? DC continuity's pretty scary, and it bears the marks of DiDio's grubby paws all over it.

So, you think that's where they should put Thor too?

Thor does have some fun cosmic stories. I could stand to see him have more. I liked when Beta Ray Bill was basically the Thor of the cosmic crowd and not, you know, rotting in some goddamn hell dimension because he happened to be in the wrong place. Dude never even joined Omega Flight and he wound up trapped in a hell dimension to save their ungrateful asses.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Hahaha. DC continuity...

Hahaha, ANY comic company continuity. No one cares about crap like that anymore.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Certainly not the writers who are contributing to it.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Or the powerless editors who have been given the finger by their EIC's in favor of said writers.

 

[Aristotle]

...gets pounded in sales month, after month, after month....

No, I was talking about the quality of the comics, not the EIC's ability to sell comics through stupid gimmicks like glorified fanservice hero-fights, massive retcons, plot developments disrespectful to the very core of a character, and attention-****e press releases.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As opposed to the Executive Editor's inability to sell as many comics using the same tactics?

 

[moraldeficiency]

No, I was talking about the quality of the comics, not the EIC's ability to sell comics through stupid gimmicks like glorified fanservice hero-fights, massive retcons, plot developments disrespectful to the very core of a character, and attention-****e press releases.

You could write this statement about any comic company on earth and be 100% correct.

 

[Aristotle]

Yeah, DC's going through a rough patch in terms of quality. But notice that it's a shock. We didn't expect it. DC treated us so well, for so long. I can't think of the last time in DC history where I can look back and say that DC's output was not, on the whole, very high quality, with solid continuity. It probably goes back to pre-1980s. And the current post-Infinite Crisis slump really looks to finally be turning the corner into what DC was pre-Infinite Crisis.

Now compare that to Marvel. Marvel continuity was in one gigantic ****ter for the entirety of the 1990s. It wasn't particularly tight in the late 1980s. The early beginnings of Marvel are laughably bad, far worse than Silver Age DC. The 1970s/early 1980s, and post-Civil War Marvel (not counting Spider-Man), are exceptions to the general rule that Marvel continuity and storytelling quality are inferior, formulaic, and gimmicky.

 

[iloveclones]

Worst assessment ever...

 

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, DC's going through a rough patch in terms of quality. But notice that it's a shock. We didn't expect it. DC treated us so well, for so long. I can't think of the last time in DC history where I can look back and say that DC's output was not, on the whole, very high quality, with solid continuity. It probably goes back to pre-1980s. And the current post-Infinite Crisis slump really looks to finally be turning the corner into what DC was pre-Infinite Crisis.

Now compare that to Marvel. Marvel continuity was in one gigantic ****ter for the entirety of the 1990s. It wasn't particularly tight in the late 1980s. The early beginnings of Marvel are laughably bad, far worse than Silver Age DC. The 1970s/early 1980s, and post-Civil War Marvel (not counting Spider-Man), are exceptions to the general rule that Marvel continuity and storytelling quality are inferior, formulaic, and gimmicky.

Yeah I mean it's not like DC used the 90s as nonstop gimmicky by doing stuff like killing and bring back superman, crippling batman and sending out an newer edgier batman or anything like that, then followed up after the slump by having some guy punch holes in realities to have everything make sense again.

No person on either side of this argument has any legs to stand on. Both companies have played gimmicks and retcons for decades to milk us out of more money and event stack us to death. It's simply good buisness for them to @uck the loyal customers over because we're not going anywhere, but don't get blinded on the issue and try and say it's all on one side of the field. If you think it is, you're not paying attention.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Pretty much. They're both businesses and they both use the same tactics to boost their bottom line where they can. To claim one is more reputable in that respect than the other is just spin.

 

[fifthfiend]

Aw c'mon, who didn't love Zero Hour? Eh? Eh?

 

[SuperMonkey]

I can't imagine how a Superman fan could want to see what Marvel would do with him. He'd go the same way that the few other true heroes in the Marvel Universe did: Captain Marvel died bedridden, and Captain America got a bullet.

I like Marvel AND DC. Don't understand why they should conflict with each other.

 

[SuperMonkey]

...doesn't have random demons retconning it for stupid reasons.
...doesn't bear the ugly mark of one EIC's moralistic views on smoking.
...has never been as bad as 1990s Marvel continuity was.
...has a justifiable reason for far more of its retcons than Marvel continuity.
...boasted some of the tightest, best-edited continuity in comics history from about 1996 until the One Year Later jump.

not entirely true

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw c'mon, who didn't love Zero Hour? Eh? Eh?

Everyone? Yeah, I'm gonna go with "everyone" on that one.

 

[Aristotle]

I like Marvel AND DC. Don't understand why they should conflict with each other.

I do too. But Marvel Comics' idea of morality would eat Superman up and spit him out. There's no room for a good guy in the Marvel U. That's why they killed them all.