Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

It seems we have at least 3 options coming our way when it comes to Superman, the question is, which option do you want for Superman next on the big screen?

The options are on the poll and i think we all pretty much know each others opinions by now on SR, but do we really know what we want next for Superman?

I do, i want a sequel to SR starring Brandon Routh and Directed by Bryan Singer.

What do YOU guys want?
 
Also, in its entirety for those who want to read it without page and post jumping:

MATT PRESENTS:

SUPERMAN


Act One:

The movie would open with a futuristic battle sequence. Think Terminator 2 Judgement Day meets the opening sequence of the Firefly episode Serenity. You have soldiers in trenches shooting at one another with laser guns, futuristic planes bombing these trenches. The camera slowly pans away from the battlefield and off in the distance you can see a large sci-fi esque city. Kandor, the capitol of Krypton Think a much more grand, much more beautiful version of LA from Blade Runner. The camera slowly travels through the city, before entering a large temple type building. This is the capitol building. In here we meet Jor-El. He is a respected scientist. Here he is urging the ruling council of Krypton to enter a truce with the rebel General Zod. He informs them that the bombs being used in the war are radiating the planet which is seeping to its core. The planet will be destroyed if they do not stop. The council rejects Jor-El's findings, claiming that Brainiac's (just a slight reference) findings negate them. I loved in TAS the way Brainiac convinced the council Jor-El was wrong. I think it would be a nice nod and a set up for possible sequels.

From there we see Jor-El's family estate. We meet his wife Lara. He vents that he is unable to convince them. Jor-El, knowing that he cannot save himself, dedicates himself to his work. A brief montage of Jor-El slaving over a machine. Neglecting his health, hygeine etc. He is obsessing over it. The only thing he makes time for outside of his machine, is his wife Lara and his baby son, Kal-El. It is clear Jor-El loves his family very much.

At the end of the montage, we see Kandor is in celebration. Parties in the streets, the citizens in uproars of joy. The reason is revealed to be because The war with Zod has ended and Zod has been inprisoned in the Phantom Zone.

However, the celebration is interrupted by a sudden Earthquake. It is quick, so most people simply shrug it off. Jor-El, secluded with his family in the estate, however, recognized it for what it really is. The end. He reveals his machine to Lara. It is a small rocket ship. The best he could make in such a small ammount of time, but it is able to give Lara and Kal-El a chance at surviving. There is no gaurantee that either will get safe passage to anywhere, but it will give them a chance and for Jor-El, that is enough. But not for Lara, she refuses to leave Jor-El. So, they tearfully say goodbye to their son after recording a brief message. Lara covers baby Kal-El with a blanket bearing the El family coat of arms. :super: The tremors then start again. They send Kal-El off in his ship and embrace to await their doom as the tremors worsen. We then see Kal-El, speeding away from the planet as it explodes. As we watch Kal-El and the bits of Krypton float off into space...the title comes across the screen..."Superman".

During the opening credits we watch young Kal-El zoom through the solar systems...perhaps to show Jor-El's genius, each planet he comes upon the computer of his ship scans to see if it is suitable for him, before he finally arrives on Earth...as his ship descends we cut to Smallville Kansas.

Here we see Jonathan and Martha Kent driving. They are discussing the trip they just took. They are on their way back from a doctor. They are unable to concieve children and the doctor confirmed they cannot. It is a very somber, sad time for them. Jonathan tries to reassure Martha, unsuccessfully. However, despite the sadness they are feeling, everything seems very calm...key word, seems. Suddenly something crashes into the ground from the sky, Jonathan swerves to avoid it and runs off the road. He looks at the tire on his truck. The truck is relatively undamaged but stuck in a ditch. Jonathan tries to push it out, while Martha investigates what crashed. All she finds is the shuttle, empty, with Kal-El's blanket. Jonathan continues to struggle with the truck, only to suddenly find it lifted out of the ditch. The camera pans to toddler Kal-El, holding the truck in the air, giggling. I think that is such a wonderful scene in the Donner movies and should carry over. Little homages are never a bad thing, after all. Martha rushes over and lifts the baby as he sets the truck back on the ground. There are no words in this scene...an awe-struck Jonathan looks to Martha. The audience can infer by her face and actions towards the baby that she has made up her mind. Jonathan seems like he wants to protest, but also seems to understand the futility of it. Reluctantly, he loads Clark's ship onto the truck and the Kent family sets off towards their farm which could be seen in the distance as they drive away.

We then cut to a montage of the Kents on their farm adjusting to raising a super powered son as he grows up. Just a light hearted little montage. Things like Martha trying to feed baby Clark. She blows on it to cool it off, baby Clark in his high chair imitates, and his super breath freezes the spoon and food. Playing catch with Pa only to launch the ball into the next county. But also normal things, to emphasize that while Clark is different, he was raised and loved like a normal child by the Kents. Show him at church with his parents, playing with his dogs, helping on the farm, etc. We watch him grow during this time.

After the montage, we meet a teenaged Clark Kent, now a senior at Smallville High. From here my plot would loosely follow what I consider the definitive Superman story. Jeph Loeb's A Superman For All Seasons.

The Smallville sequence would last about a half hour. During this time, we learn about Clark's life. His relationship with childhood sweetheart Lana Lang, his friendship with Pete who sees himself as bigger and better than being stuck in Smallville (and often teases Clark about being condemned to a life of a farmer). We see his relationship with his parents and their difficulty to guide Clark through this phase in his life, trying to find who he is and what to do. The Smaillville sequence climaxes with two very poignant sequences. First a Tornado that rips through the town. Anyone who has read FAS should be familiar with this. During the tornado Clark first learns he can fly as he pulls a gas station attendant out of the way of the tornado and the explosion of the gas station it causes. Afterwards, he returns to the farm to see the damage. He flies into the air with his new found ability and looks over the town, seeing the damage he lands, looks to his parents and tells them "I could've done more." For me, this is one of the most important Superman scenes ever. The way Loeb wrote it combined with Pa's narration, perfectly describes Superman's motivations and who he is. He doesn't have a tragic event that shapes him...he is simply a good person who wants to help. Pa tries to comfort him, but with little success. It is at this point, he realizes his son is becoming a man, and has to leave the nest.

But first he has to say goodbye to Lana, again, anyone familiar with FAS is familiar with this. He takes her out to the Kent fields, and shows her he can fly. Another very important scene. It shows how important Lana is to Clark. He shares a very important secret with her. As they fly however, she realizes that he is leaving as well.

We then cut to the next day...he says goodbye to his parents, and sets off.

End act one.

Act Two:

Act two opens 12 or 13 years after the Smallville scenes with Clark about 30 (different actor from the Smallville scenes, which used a younger, teenage Clark). He is arriving Metropolis at the Daily Planet building for the first time. During this scene, we get a full look at adult Clark, clean cut, hair combed to the side, suit, tie, and glasses. The camera should specifically focus on the fact, that like in Birthright while Clark's eyes are naturally blue, the glasses somehow manipulate the light to make them appear brown. He goes in, here we meet Perry White whom Clark has an interview with. During this interview it is revealed how Clark has spent the past 13 years. He spent the first 7 years earning his masters degree in Journalism from the University of Kansas. From there he went to travel the world, writing free lance pieces for various newspapers and magazines.

However during the interview he is very distant as he is using his x-ray vision to watch a woman through the walls of Perry's office. It is his first encounter with Lois Lane. She is fiercely yelling at Jimmy over a story. In her we can see the spark and attitude that Singer's Lois lacked. She is a dog-eat-dog type person, and yet there is something charming about her to Clark.

Due to his distracted nature, Perry turns him down for the job. Clark leaves, disappointed. On the way out he sees a truck, out of control on its way towards civilians. Clark steps infront of it and single handedly halts it. As the shocked crowd looks on, Clark hurries off before being identified.

The next scene he has returned to Smallville for comfort. He expresses to his parents a desire to help and a confusion. He doesn't understand how or why he has his powers but he wants to use them for good. Pa Kent discourages this as he fears his son would be locked up in a lab. He tells him it is one thing to do small little goods here and there as he did when he traveled, but living in a city like Metropolis, he can't publically flaunt his powers.

However, Martha tells Jonathan that Clark has to be Clark and Clark cannot allow people to be hurt. Clark considers visiting Lana, but his parents inform him that she left town around the same time as him. Even more frustrated by this turn of events, his parents realize what they must do. Tell Clark who he is and where he came from.

They take him to an old, locked up shed and show him the shuttle he was found in. He removes his glasses and the shuttle instantly reacts to his eyes performing a retinal scan. From there an image of Jor-El and Lara appears. Unlike Donner's Superman, this Jor-El would not come off as so prophetic. His message would simply be one of love towards his son that also explains his heritage. There would be no talk of sending Kal-El like a messiah as Donner's Jor-El did, because I personally dislike that interpretation. Jor-El was not a prophet, he was simply a man who wanted to save his son. However, the bravery and sacrifice Clark's birth parents made for him inspires him. He knows what he must do. He asks Martha to make him a disguise, while holding the blanket the Kents found him in, which was in the shuttle.

The next scene Clark has returned to Metropolis, with a new found determination. He returns to the Planet, intending to ask Perry for the job again, however the Planet is in an uproar as Star Labs is launching an experimental space plane that could revolutionize space travel (and in turn as Jimmy mentions, cost Lex Luthor billions in government contracts). Clark finds Perry and asks him for a second interview. Clark suggests giving him a freelance job to cover this launch to prove himself, but Perry states that his best reporter is already there.

We then cut to the launch (which is being watched on a TV monitor in the Planet). Lois is trying to get clearance to get closer to the shuttle, which is denied. She goes up to the guard (an army soldier) however and drops the name Sam Lane. The soldier quickly stands down and lets her pass. From here, Lois is able to sneak onto the shuttle.

Meanwhile, we cut to a large building. The biggest in Metropolis. An L shaped tower. The camera zooms to the top floor where we meet Lex Luthor. He is sitting at the desk in his office, smoking a cigar and watching the launch preparations. Luthor's attention however is not on the shuttle, but a woman dressed as a launch technician that is on the launch site where the news camera is. Luthor (and the audience's) attention is briefly diverted to her (Mercy). Luthor than takes a puff of his cigar, smiles, presses the intercom on his phone and informs his secretary Hope to print up a press release saying that LexCorp offers its condolences for this who died on Star Lab's experimental launch but to rest assured, that LexCorp will see to it that the space program continues unscathed by this incident.

We return to the planet..Clark is still pestering Perry. Perry, annoyed by Clark's persistance grants him a second interview but tells him to come back tomorrow after this story is over. Clark agrees.

Cut back to the shuttle launch (which Perry is watching during his convo with Clark). The shuttle launch is successful but as it goes to leave Earth's atmospere the engines suddenly give out. The pilots try to restore it with no avail. They are falling back to the Earth.

Jimmy then runs into Perry's office and informs him that the shuttle is plummeting towards Metropolis. Perry runs out of his office and begins to scream. He wants to know, how, why, where it will land and he wants to know NOW!...then he hesitates from his rant, looks to Jimmy and asks "Where the hell did Kent go?"

Cut to the street, absolute paniac as the shuttle is now visibly plummeting. This scene should reflect the paniac on Krypton as the tremors intensified and the planet began to explode. However, we see Clark run through the crowd and do the classic removal of the glasses coupled with :supes:. He runs into a secluded alley and launches into the air. Of course, here comes the classic, Superman rescues the space plane and introduces himself to Lois, Luthor, and the rest of the world. He guides it safely back to the STAR labs landing pad. Flirtation with Lois ensues. She asks for an interview, but Superman smiles and reveals he already gave away the exclusive before flying off. Lois mutters the famous line..."What a super man." Then the idea clicks in her head and she eagerly begins to scratch notes onto her notepad.

Cut to the next day, The Planet. The world is in shock over what happened and everyone at the Planet is searching for answers. Jimmy informs Perry that Clark is in his office for the second interview Perry promises him. Exasperated, Perry walks into his office, only to come face to face with a picture of Superman, complete with interview. He looks up at Clark, extends his hand and tells him "Welcome to the Daily Planet". I know Lois normally gets the first interview, but I felt it was a nice way to ignite some of the rivalry between Lois and Clark as well as a believable, realistic way for a nobody out of Kansas to walk onto a job at the world's largest newspaper.

After Clark gets his job at the planet we spend some time meeting the rest of the cast. Perry assigns Lois to work with Clark and show him the ropes for awhile. He teams them on finding out what went wrong with the STAR labs shuttle.

Meanwhile, we also meet Luthor. I would actually do this in a way similar to Lois and Clark. Some sort of party that Luthor is holding at his towers that Lois brings Clark to. We learn how Lex is pretty much royalty in Metropolis. Luthor pretty much sweeps Lois off her feet (although Lois is simply playing him to get an interview) Clark on the other hand uses the opportunity to snoop around LexCorp Towers. He quickly learns who Luthor REALLY is. Pretty much the crime lord of Metropolis. He also finds the press release of and other evidence linking Luthor to the sabatoage of the space plane. Long story short, Superman, feeling cocky by his win arranges for Luthor to get arrested for it. All of it is circumstantial, Luthor is out in minutes, but he has been shamed and he wants revenge.

After that we see a brief montage of Superman's heroics. During the montage we see Superman do several things all the around the world, ranging from averting disasters like construction accidents to stopping a terrorist attack on a train (the classic hole in the tracks so he lays across the hole while the train drives safely over him) The city of Metropolis is falling in love with him, Hell the world is. Meanwhile Luthor resents this and that is made clear during the montage. It is clear that Luthor is behind a lot of the accidents Superman is averting. Almost as tests to see what he is capable of.

The next scene involves Luthor being informed of a discovery made. He is told that the tip to mine in Kansas was right and they found an unknown green rock. Initial anaylzation has revealed it to be alien in nature. Luthor considers this for a moment then tells his bodyguard Mercy (who we previously saw sabotaging the space plane) that it is time for one more test.

The next scene is a bank robbery. The robbers are nothing more than your average thugs, one of whom is John Corben. Superman shows up, stops them with ease...when suddenly Mercy can be seen in the shadows of the bank. She opens a box containing a piece of the Kryptonite. Suddenly Superman feels dizzy. He stumbles a bit. And falls to his knees. Satisfied by this Mercy closes the box and slips back into the shadows.

Corben however, stunned by Superman's brief weakness, picks up his gun and fires point blank then turns to run. However, with the Kryptonite gone, the bullet bounces right off him, and richocettes into Corben's spine.

Afterwards, the police are cleaning up the scene, Lois trying to get an interview with Superman, etc. Only one thing...Mercy is now the paramedic loading Corben's corpse into an ambulence.

Cut to LexCorp labs. Luthor is standing over Corben...who is somehow alive. Luthor tells him that his spine was permenantly damages, costing him the use of most of his body, but he has given him a second chance, and he must use it to take revenge on the man who nearly killed him. Superman. During this, we only see Luthor from Metallo's perspective. Zoom out and it is revealed that his limbs, spine, chest, and parts of his head are now replaced with metal. At the center is its energy source. Kryptonite.

Cut to Clark at the Planet. He is on the phone with his parents explaining the weakness he felt at the bank when suddenly Perry bursts in and reveals that a robot is on a rampage in down town Metropolis. Clark quickly disappears.

Downtown Metropolis, right infront of LexCorp Towers first battle between Metallo and Superman. However, Lois and Jimmy who arrived on the scene before Clark to get the story are caught in the middle, keeping Superman on the defensive. He holds his own at first, until Metallo's chest opens up revealing the Kryptonite. Then Metallo pretty much kicks his ass. Lois tries to hit him with little success, so he turns his attention to her being as Superman is pretty much out cold. Luthor, who is watching from the balcony of LexCorp Tower, deciding that Metallo's rampage has gone on long enough, presses a button which sends electrical jolts through Corben, disabling him. Corben, shocked by this, runs off. As Superman begins to regain his composure, Lex presses another button. Suddenly an apartment building down the street explodes right before Superman's eyes. As the police arrive, Lex emerges from LexCorp. Fawning concern for Lois at first, then Superman, he kneels over him and while helping him up and then whispers to him "No matter how hard you try, you can't be two places at once. Go back to where ever you came from, before you fail us all."

End Act Two

(see next post for act three)
 
Act Three:
Devestated, Clark returns to Smallville. During this time, he is comforted by his parents, but more so Lana, who has returned. While Lana, Clark, and The Kents have dinner, Chief Higgins arrives to warn them that the storm outside could flood the town and that a relief center is being set up at the church which is on a hill and safe and they may want to head there. Pa Kent tells him they will wait it out and if it worsens go.

Cut back to Metropolis, Metallo is going crazy. He is coming to terms with the fact that he is machine. At first he thought it partial. Until he tried to eat and realized he couldn't taste. In a panic, he peels off the skin from the left side of his face to reveal a totally mechanic robotic exoskeleton. He realizes he is entirely machine. He blames Luthor for this and swears revenge.

Back in Smallville, Clark explains to Lana why he ran away. Lana has no answers for Clark. She walks upstairs to help Martha set up the spare room for her.

During this, she recalls the night Clark told her his secret. How burdened she felt by it. That a girl from Smallville has no answers for Superman. Martha however tells her, that he isn't Superman. He is their Clark and always will be.

The next morning, the river is getting ready to flood and the Kents are about to head to the church. Clark is about to get in the truck when Lana pulls him to the side. She gives a speech similar to her narration of SFAS. Tells him that when she was travelling, no matter where she went she heard about this man with powers...who would save people, and she couldn't understand it but now she does. She knows why he helps people because it is no different than Chief Higgins braving the storm to warn the town or a fireman rushing into a burning building, not even to save someone but to see if anyone needs saved. She realizes now, it isn't because he is Superman that he helps people. It is because he is Clark, that he helps people and it is because he is Clark that he won't give up. She then kisses his cheek, and tells him to get dressed.

The next scene is Superman stopping the flood from engulfing Smallville by building a dam out of trees. Should make a pretty good visual.

Clark says goodbye to his parents and Lana. He then lifts off to return to Metropolis.

Cut to LexCorp Towers. Luthor is having dinner with Lois who is interviewing him because news is slow with Superman out of town. Mercy rushes in and warns them of a security breach. It is Metallo Luthors security forces and Mercy attempt to stop him but are thwarted. Luthor tries to shock him with his remote, however Corben simply breaks grabs and breaks it. Metallo shoves him out of the way saying he dies last. He grabs Lois, takes her to the balcony and throws her off. He returns to Luthor and prepares to strike, however Superman catches his fist. Lois is standing next to him, having caught her. Metallo begins to open his chest, however Superman simply throws him straight through the window of Lex's office, flying past the balcony, crashing to the ground beneath.

Another battle ensues. This time far more even. Truck throwing, hitting with street lights, etc. The battle climaxes as Metallo finally takes the upperhand and gets close enough to open his chest exposing big blue to Kryptonite. Superman overcomes it however, he shoves his hand right into Metallo's chest and crushes the kryptonite into dust. Being Metallo's energy source he deactivates.

Superman flies back into Luthor's office. He looks him in the eyes and tells him knowingly "I'm back.". He then offers Lois a ride back to the planet, telling her he is sure she has a deadline to meet. She accepts and he flies out the window with her.

Luthor turns to Mercy and smiles. He speaks "Mercy, do you recall the satellite we found drifting in orbit?"

She replies "The one who told us to mine in Kansas?"

Luthor nods "Yes, I think we should consult it again. Reactivate Brainiac.

We then see Superman flying through Metropolis, just because that seems to be the standard end to superhero movies now-a-days :cwink:

The end.
 
Best case scenario >>> Both a re-boot/re-start AND a JL movie!

But just JL would be cool, too.
 
I'm curious to see the answers on this one, i really am, and hopefully WB will too, and give the majority what they want.
 
Thanks for your miserable pathetic personal revenge on me disguised as predictable unoriginal and poor analysis. Some elaboration could have helped at least to raise the level of your posts. :)


How about, show some respect for the character? First of all,Its not your creation. So, i suggest you to keep the things that make Superman the character is INTACT. Theres no need to upgrade or make him better to suit our ages whatever it is. SUPERMAN IS WHAT IT IS AND PERIOD.

This means NO CHANGES IN

1)His intergrity and sense of right and wrong - Superman inside.

Even though Superman is human and was raised by humans, he is better than us. THe Kents arent simply normal people. They are the best people ever. They raised Clark to be a great person. He is the sum of all the GREAT human qualities into one person.

2)His appearence - The costume can be updated but i mean materials wise. THe costume is WHAT it is. No need to fix what aint broke. Blue suit, Red and Yellow traditional S, RED cape, RED briefs, Yellow belt, RED Boots.

3)His origin and supporting cast - When Krypton is about EXPLODE, wise scientist predicts it but the council doesnt believe him. So he put his infant son in a spacecraft and sends him to safety and to Earth. Krpton EXPLODES. kal-el lands on Earth and is raised by the kents. Etc etc. Lois lane is his co-worker and one and true love, perry white is his boss, jimmy is his friend and the photographer, etc.

Now is it good for you?
 
Act Three:
Devestated, Clark returns to Smallville. During this time, he is comforted by his parents, but more so Lana, who has returned. While Lana, Clark, and The Kents have dinner, Chief Higgins arrives to warn them that the storm outside could flood the town and that a relief center is being set up at the church which is on a hill and safe and they may want to head there. Pa Kent tells him they will wait it out and if it worsens go.

Cut back to Metropolis, Metallo is going crazy. He is coming to terms with the fact that he is machine. At first he thought it partial. Until he tried to eat and realized he couldn't taste. In a panic, he peels off the skin from the left side of his face to reveal a totally mechanic robotic exoskeleton. He realizes he is entirely machine. He blames Luthor for this and swears revenge.

Back in Smallville, Clark explains to Lana why he ran away. Lana has no answers for Clark. She walks upstairs to help Martha set up the spare room for her.

During this, she recalls the night Clark told her his secret. How burdened she felt by it. That a girl from Smallville has no answers for Superman. Martha however tells her, that he isn't Superman. He is their Clark and always will be.

The next morning, the river is getting ready to flood and the Kents are about to head to the church. Clark is about to get in the truck when Lana pulls him to the side. She gives a speech similar to her narration of SFAS. Tells him that when she was travelling, no matter where she went she heard about this man with powers...who would save people, and she couldn't understand it but now she does. She knows why he helps people because it is no different than Chief Higgins braving the storm to warn the town or a fireman rushing into a burning building, not even to save someone but to see if anyone needs saved. She realizes now, it isn't because he is Superman that he helps people. It is because he is Clark, that he helps people and it is because he is Clark that he won't give up. She then kisses his cheek, and tells him to get dressed.

The next scene is Superman stopping the flood from engulfing Smallville by building a dam out of trees. Should make a pretty good visual.

Clark says goodbye to his parents and Lana. He then lifts off to return to Metropolis.

Cut to LexCorp Towers. Luthor is having dinner with Lois who is interviewing him because news is slow with Superman out of town. Mercy rushes in and warns them of a security breach. It is Metallo Luthors security forces and Mercy attempt to stop him but are thwarted. Luthor tries to shock him with his remote, however Corben simply breaks grabs and breaks it. Metallo shoves him out of the way saying he dies last. He grabs Lois, takes her to the balcony and throws her off. He returns to Luthor and prepares to strike, however Superman catches his fist. Lois is standing next to him, having caught her. Metallo begins to open his chest, however Superman simply throws him straight through the window of Lex's office, flying past the balcony, crashing to the ground beneath.

Another battle ensues. This time far more even. Truck throwing, hitting with street lights, etc. The battle climaxes as Metallo finally takes the upperhand and gets close enough to open his chest exposing big blue to Kryptonite. Superman overcomes it however, he shoves his hand right into Metallo's chest and crushes the kryptonite into dust. Being Metallo's energy source he deactivates.

Superman flies back into Luthor's office. He looks him in the eyes and tells him knowingly "I'm back.". He then offers Lois a ride back to the planet, telling her he is sure she has a deadline to meet. She accepts and he flies out the window with her.

Luthor turns to Mercy and smiles. He speaks "Mercy, do you recall the satellite we found drifting in orbit?"

She replies "The one who told us to mine in Kansas?"

Luthor nods "Yes, I think we should consult it again. Reactivate Brainiac.

We then see Superman flying through Metropolis, just because that seems to be the standard end to superhero movies now-a-days :cwink:

The end.

Nice Matt. How about not using kryptonite in another film? IMO its done to death. L&C had someone invent a quantum disruptor weapon. It could hurt Supes too. IMO this is a change long overdue. I'd have Superman putting the lead encased last known piece of K into a vault in the Fortress early in the film. Breathing a sigh of relief. The bad guys can't get him anymore. Then switch to a weapons labratory with scans of Superman on screen. Bio-measurements on display. Someone talking about finding a way to break through and disrupt Superman's protective aura. Just a thought.
 
Nice Matt. How about not using kryptonite in another film? IMO its done to death. L&C had someone invent a quantum disruptor weapon. It could hurt Supes too. IMO this is a change long overdue. I'd have Superman putting the lead encased last known piece of K into a vault in the Fortress early in the film. Breathing a sigh of relief. The bad guys can't get him anymore. Then switch to a weapons labratory with scans of Superman on screen. Bio-measurements on display. Someone talking about finding a way to break through and disrupt Superman's protective aura. Just a thought.

Glad you liked it :yay:

I agree, that Kryptonite has been done to death, but at the same time, it is part of Superman. It is like saying "Superman flying has been done to death."

Its a necessary evil. Especially for an origin movie.

As for the sequel. As I hinted, Brainiac would be the villian so, he really wouldn't need it (he'd build a body with Kryptonian technology capable of kicking Big Blue's ass). Other than that, I'd keep Kryptonite out. Although I would give Luthor his kryptonite ring.
 
I am working on mine...

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How about, show some respect for the character? First of all,Its not your creation. So, i suggest you to keep the things that make Superman the character is INTACT. Theres no need to upgrade or make him better to suit our ages whatever it is. SUPERMAN IS WHAT IT IS AND PERIOD.

lol, okay. But I didn't do any change to suit our ages. It's all in your mind.

I even said I wanted to base it in the first Supoerman comic. In fact he was a little different there so if you're truly against changes, you should be against anything different after the first comic. Which is my angle, isn't it ironic?

This means NO CHANGES IN

1)His intergrity and sense of right and wrong - Superman inside.

Even though Superman is human and was raised by humans, he is better than us. THe Kents arent simply normal people. They are the best people ever. They raised Clark to be a great person. He is the sum of all the GREAT human qualities into one person.

Mention where I even suggested this should be any different.

I allow myself to remind you how I clearly stated that : "He'd be quite heroic and incorruptible" ... Clark Kent "wouldn't be "hating" to be Superman at all, he'd be proud of it"

2)His appearence - The costume can be updated but i mean materials wise. THe costume is WHAT it is. No need to fix what aint broke. Blue suit, Red and Yellow traditional S, RED cape, RED briefs, Yellow belt, RED Boots.

Changes on the costume are minimal and it's not for fitting ages but to make him more of an alien and less of a circus acrobat so the suit makes more sense.

3)His origin and supporting cast - When Krypton is about EXPLODE, wise scientist predicts it but the council doesnt believe him. So he put his infant son in a spacecraft and sends him to safety and to Earth. Krpton EXPLODES. kal-el lands on Earth and is raised by the kents. Etc etc. Lois lane is his co-worker and one and true love, perry white is his boss, jimmy is his friend and the photographer, etc.

Mention please where I even suggested ANY of this should be ANY different.

Now is it good for you?

Absolutely.

Sometimes I feel like I spend too much time trying to make you look bad without noticing you do that better than I ever could.

Now, I'll allow myself - once again - to remind your words.

I wont waste my time with you again. See ya.

Please tell me, isn't it like the ultimate thing when you are wrong even about your own statements?:)
 
yeah, that was a bit rude, SpiderDaniel... everyone has a right to their opinion, and just because you don't like it, doesn't give you the right to insult him.

What? I didnt insult him. I just said...thank god u`re not directing a Superman movie.

I never said he was pathetic or called him names like he did, by the way. I just siad he doesnt respect the character at all for wanting to make those changes.

In case u didnt follow the HUGE discussion me, mego joe were having with him regarding SR, this kinda of behaviour shined a light on why i`ve been discussing things i consider very important about Superman and his post showed me that i shouldnt waste my time with that. Its obvious to me he doesnt know the character or respect it.

Removing a HUGE part of his mythollogy like the glasses just becase HE THINKS it is stupid and it doesnt work its just a lack of respect to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster and to every fan of the character.

People thought Burton And abrams ideas were outrageous so i think his is too.
 
lol, okay. But I didn't do any change to suit our ages. It's all in your mind.

I even said I wanted to base it in the first Supoerman comic. In fact he was a little different there so if you're truly against changes, you should be against anything different after the first comic. Which is my angle, isn't it ironic?



Mention where I even suggested this should be any different.

I allow myself to remind you how I clearly stated that : "He'd be quite heroic and incorruptible" ... Clark Kent "wouldn't be "hating" to be Superman at all, he'd be proud of it"



Changes on the costume are minimal and it's not for fitting ages but to make him more of an alien and less of a circus acrobat so the suit makes more sense.



Mention please where I even suggested ANY of this should be ANY different.



Absolutely.

Sometimes I feel like I spend too much time trying to make you look bad without noticing you do that better than I ever could.

Now, I'll allow myself - once again - to remind your words.



Please tell me, isn't it like the ultimate thing when you are wrong even about your own statements?:)

First of all, i was stating 3 GENERAL things that cant be changed when you dealing with a character THAT isnt yours, by the way.

His personality, His looks and His mythollogy.

Removing glasses and the way Clark Kent is A HUGE change and it just show ur lack of understanding of the character. You want to remove his glasses, why dont u make ur own character because that isnt Superman.

It changes everything, to me.
 
As little as I know about it, I think my Superman movie wouldn't be that different from Burton's one.

Keep reading and feel free to hate it.
You said it urself. Feel free to hate it. When i do, why u complain? Burton should never touch a comic book character again, especially after his brillian ideas about Superman.

The suit would be almost the same as that Jon Peters' statue.
No comment. And u said what in the previous post? You didnt change his look?Superman with an armor? No boots, no belt, no briefs. Ok. You get my point.

BY THE WAY, HE was supposed to look like a circus acrobat. Here`s something for you.

http://www.redboots.net/comics/powers_costume.htm


If you're not hating it yet, let's hear this: Clark and Superman would have different appearances. Superman would have a different face and body. As if Clark had a muscular handsome brother. Glasses haven't been, are not and never will be a disguise. Of course as Clark, he'd still be having super-powers. He wouldn't be "hatingh" to be Superman at all, he'd be proud of it, but he'd realize the irony behind being Superman and being appreciated by people and girls (specially Lois) but despised as Clark at the same time.
Despised as Clark? Clark with no glasses?Muscular handsome brother? Do i have to go on?

Apreciated by Girls. WTF? Superman is now the womanizer. I had a good laugh, thanks for that.

Now, if you're quoting me, please come up with something better than "Too good you're not making a Superman movie" or crap like that because for a starter, nobody in here is directing one. :)
Too good you`re not making a movie, your ideas are neat and good but NOT for Superman. Make up ur own character. Give him your name, Clownman.

How about thaT?
 
What? I didnt insult him. I just said...thank god u`re not directing a Superman movie.

I never said he was pathetic or called him names like he did, by the way. I just siad he doesnt respect the character at all for wanting to make those changes.

In case u didnt follow the HUGE discussion me, mego joe were having with him regarding SR, this kinda of behaviour shined a light on why i`ve been discussing things i consider very important about Superman and his post showed me that i shouldnt waste my time with that. Its obvious to me he doesnt know the character or respect it.

Removing a HUGE part of his mythollogy like the glasses just becase HE THINKS it is stupid and it doesnt work its just a lack of respect to Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster and to every fan of the character.

People thought Burton And abrams ideas were outrageous so i think his is too.
There were parts of SR that I didn't like, but it did stay relatively faithful to the character, despite what people say...

Everyone has a different look to Superman, but just because it differs from your view, doesn't make him more right or wrong.
 
No. The point is that his view of the character is not Superman. Clark Kent with a different appearence, Superman is like his tall muscular brother, no glasses. This is NOT SUPERMAN.

Yeah...Singer was faithful...to the Donner movies.
 
No. The point is that his view of the character is not Superman. Clark Kent with a different appearence, Superman is like his tall muscular brother, no glasses. This is NOT SUPERMAN.

Yeah...Singer was faithful...to the Donner movies.
who are you to say who Superman is and isn't? There's absolutely nothing wrong with Payaso's interpretation... it's just not what you think is Superman.

That doesn't make his vision wrong.

and the Donner Movies were faithful to the comic books, right down to the color of the suit.
 
As little as I know about it, I think my Superman movie wouldn't be that different from Burton's one.

Keep reading and feel free to hate it.

I'd be basing his personality in the first comics. He'd be quite heroic and incorruptible but cocky and sarcastic without being annoying or offensive.

The suit would be almost the same as that Jon Peters' statue.

Clark Kent would be genuinely shy. Not a pretended dork but an actual introvert shy guy. But very professional an all.

If you're not hating it yet, let's hear this: Clark and Superman would have different appearances. Superman would have a different face and body. As if Clark had a muscular handsome brother. Glasses haven't been, are not and never will be a disguise. Of course as Clark, he'd still be having super-powers. He wouldn't be "hatingh" to be Superman at all, he'd be proud of it, but he'd realize the irony behind being Superman and being appreciated by people and girls (specially Lois) but despised as Clark at the same time.

Now, if you're quoting me, please come up with something better than "Too good you're not making a Superman movie" or crap like that because for a starter, nobody in here is directing one. :)

That's really an interesting take. Payaso, could you go into details. For example, who'd you pull it off to have Clark Kent and Superman have a different body and face? How'd it exactly work?
 
who are you to say who Superman is and isn't? There's absolutely nothing wrong with Payaso's interpretation... it's just not what you think is Superman.

That doesn't make his vision wrong.

and the Donner Movies were faithful to the comic books, right down to the color of the suit.


You compain all the time about small changes in the COLLOR of the suit that totally is not superman and now you`re saying that taking the glasses of Clark Kent and making him a totally different person is a great ideia?I dont understand.
 
First of all, i was stating 3 GENERAL things that cant be changed when you dealing with a character THAT isnt yours, by the way.

His personality, His looks and His mythollogy.

His personality remains the same as in the first comic book of Superman.

Apart from the boots and trunks everything else is there.

Removing glasses and the way Clark Kent is A HUGE change and it just show ur lack of understanding of the character. You want to remove his glasses, why dont u make ur own character because that isnt Superman.

Back to the elementary. I never said remove his glasses. I just said the glasses weren't disguise enough.

You said it urself. Feel free to hate it. When i do, why u complain?

Nice from you to admit being a hater. The bad part is that it has been too obvious which takes the dramatism out of your confession.

Anyway, I complained because of your lacking of arguments and general poorness of your post. Your hatred pretty much amuses me. For example the way you avoided to answer me about your complaints not being at all in my post. :)

No comment. And u said what in the previous post? You didnt change his look?Superman with an armor? No boots, no belt, no briefs. Ok. You get my point.

BY THE WAY, HE was supposed to look like a circus acrobat. Here`s something for you.

http://www.redboots.net/comics/powers_costume.htm

To have a Kryptonian suit looking as an acrobat doesn't make sense. He can look alien and still classic Superman. Your lack of imagination doesn't make a point.

Despised as Clark?

As he has been despised by Lois all his life. Specially in the first comic about the character. You should actually enquire about it before putting yourself to shame.

Apreciated by Girls. WTF? Superman is now the womanizer. I had a good laugh, thanks for that.

Yes, Superman has been appreciated by women traditionally. Maybe you're thinking that that means automatically he goes to bed with all of them?

Long story short, there are tons of online dictionaries so you don't have to expose your lacking of reading comprehension.

Too good you`re not making a movie, your ideas are neat and good but NOT for Superman. Make up ur own character. Give him your name, Clownman.

How about thaT?

He could have lots of your characteristics. Except he would be actually funny.

You compain all the time about small changes in the COLLOR of the suit that totally is not superman and now you`re saying that taking the glasses of Clark Kent and making him a totally different person is a great ideia?I dont understand.

Losing control? I don't recommend it.
 

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