Sequels Superman Villain in Sequel

[Sub-Zero]

why do people think that bizarro will be the next villain? there was no blood on the kryptonite shard the doctors pulled out of supes at the end. there's no way anyone has his blood.

 

[griffolyon12]

Have Lex and Brainiac team up and create Metallo.

 

[XwolverineX]

Anyone other then Braniac would be ******ed.

 

[dpm07]

Anyone other then Braniac would be ******ed

True, but remember, we're dealing with Singer. This is a man who built this desecration and debacle around a film that came out in 1978, and this is a man who really wasn't in tune to what the audiences wanted to see in a Superman film.

I don't know if there is any truth or not, but I've heard a rumor from my brother in Deutchsland, that Singer wants to use a Kryptonian family who is trying to settle on earth, and Superman has to deal with them. True or not, I don't know, but it sounds like something Singer would do because it has a Zod element to it.

I think people keep bringing up Bizarro because Singer's philosophy is that there's no one other than Kryptonians who can go head to head with Superman physically.

Personally, I think that they should reboot, and boot Singer's butt out, and he can take his whack pack members as well, and put in writers who really understand Superman, and not just a film that came out a long time ago.

 

[Sub-Zero]

what are you talking about? that was a good superman movie. all he did was give him a kid. i don't like it but i can deal with it. there are no kryptonians left so having a k-family settle on earth is the DUMBEST thing i've ever heard! i don't think he would do that. you have to realize that there are many kinds of superman fans. not all of them read the comics. some like the tv shows, some the cartoons, some the movies. i hate defending people but singer is a fan of superman and i think his homage was pretty good, but slow at times(so was x-men, but x2 was 20x better). oh and people didn't see x3 because singer wasn't directing. they saw it b/c he set it up for a great third movie and we were all disappointed...anyway...this thing will make money and we'll surely see a sequel in the next 2 or 3 years.

 

[dpm07]

what are you talking about? that was a good superman movie. all he did was give him a kid. i don't like it but i can deal with it. there are no kryptonians left so having a k-family settle on earth is the DUMBEST thing i've ever heard! i don't think he would do that. you have to realize that there are many kinds of superman fans. not all of them read the comics. some like the tv shows, some the cartoons, some the movies. i hate defending people but singer is a fan of superman and i think his homage was pretty good, but slow at times(so was x-men, but x2 was 20x better). oh and people didn't see x3 because singer wasn't directing. they saw it b/c he set it up for a great third movie and we were all disappointed...anyway...this thing will make money and we'll surely see a sequel in the next 2 or 3 years.

Singer is a fan of the Donner film. While Singer may purport to be a fan of Superman, it's highly unlikely he has done any real great research outside of the Donner film. The entire DC Vault was open to him to use which includes animation, tv shows, comics, etc. Singer didn't want to use it. He only wanted to use the Donner film.

Singer's blind fanaticial fetish for the Donner film has proven to be his undoing, as has his plot device of providing Superman a child. As I have personally stated in the past, this movie became less Superman Returns, and more Jason's Arrival.

Singer had the best money could buy and gave us a soulless lackluster film that provided his version of Superman, a version that has not connected with the audiences because it is a poor and very hollow representation. Singer is not entirely to blame, however. His whack pack of fools Harris and Daugherty, who probably share a single brain have contributed to a very poor story. This film should have been a guaranteed box office hit. The fact that it isn't, is an indicator of how out of touch Singer is and/or how large his ego is to think that the mainstream would want to embrace a continuation to something that should have been rebooted.

Sam Raimi and Nolan knew what it took to respectably make Spiderman and Batman respectably. Peter Jackson took a major gamble with LOTR and made it work. Gore Verbinski took a huge chance with POTC and is on his way to doing one of the top trilogies of all time. Singer really had it the easiest. He had a guaranteed hit with the most well-known popular cultural icon of the 20th century, and botched it due to a poor story. It was a great concept, but it was a poor story. Screwing this film up should have been like falling out of a boat in the middle of the ocean, and missing water. A practically impossible feat, but Singer managed to do it.

We could have had a Lex that radiated charisma and style with a sense of villainy who was a CEO believing what he was doing was right, and instead we get a continuation of Hackman's Lex. We also get the 21st century of Lex going after another land scheme. We could have had Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, etc. We could have had the beginning of an epic trilogy leading to the arrival of Darkseid in a third film, and a Superman facing off against Apokolips.

You know what we got? We got Jason, and Superman got the shaft, and the box office tells the tale of the tape. Many of us foresaw the dangers when Singer was saying how closely he was going to make this to the Donner film. However, we were wrong for doubting Singer. It was heretical to speak out against him. Today, the world sees the film for what it is, and WoM is spreading fast. The film, while it is aesthetically amazing, is flat and underwhelming in its portrayal. Superman has moved in to the 21st century, and Singer has kept him in 1978. It's a sad testament to humanity what Singer has done with this film and what he has done to Superman.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I think that the worst thing of this movie is that it is anticlimatic. Whenever there are disasters, we know Superman is going to save it and solve everything. We all knew Superman was going to save Lois , Richard and the kid in the movie. Thats why in my opinion, STM is better. `Cause he fails in the end. There`s a climax! Lois dies. What does he do? The impossible to save his love. In this movie? Its too predictable.

So, i`d start the sequel with a plane accident. A plane piloted by Richard. To make a parallel between the scene in Superman Returns and the sequel. In the end, Superman is late. Richard White dies. But Luthor is the savior. He saves him. He puts bionic parts, powered by Kryptonite. Luthor wants to control Metallo, his initial plan is to make Richard destroy Superman. But Richard disobeys him. He still is a good guy. Now comes the good part. Richard thinks he can have Lois. But he doesn`t have the sense of touch anymore. He cant feel anything. A touch, a kiss from his loved ones. Like what happened in the Animated Series. He discovers Lois loves Superman, that Jason is in fact Superman`s kid. He gets furious, wants to kill everybody, kill Superman for making him become what he is now, kill Luthor, kill Lois for dumping him. NOW thats a real story. With emotional moments. In the end, Lois find out Superman is Clark, we have a proposal from Clark and thats it. Wedding in the third movie. But things don`t look good. Darkseid is planning an invasion. Will Superman survive this? Can he have a future with Lois and raise a family?

In the third movie, make it like Hell on Earth. Parallels with WW II, Apokolips being like a huge concentration camp, ruled by a dictator: Darkseid. He wants to make the same thing with Earth. Darkseid finds out Clark is Supes. Superman in the end kills Darkseid in the greatest battle ever put on screen. Gives up of his powers because he violated his most precious vow. Just like what happened in "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow". Superman is now human, raises a family with Lois, the people from Apokolyps are free. End of a great Trilogy.

A dream? Yeah....my dream...

 

[Kroc1138]

You don't like rehashs but your going back to the well with the revenge motive. Revenge was General Zod's motive in Superman II, revenge was Lex's motive SR.

I think you are seriously misusing the word Rehash. Rehashing would mean taking all the basic elements of one film and using them in another film, but only superficially changing some characteristics. (Example T3:ROTM) There is nothing truly wrong with the notion of revegn as amotivation as long as it is presented in a different each time it is used. However it can get old. The Problem is that you aren't looking at it with an open mind, you are assuming. If you have a question about what I posted them ask. As for disliking rehashes, the fact that you use the fact that question the motivation of My take on Brainiac and call it a rehash is flawed reasoning. Rehash are bad for Films series not b/c of Villain Motivations but b/c plotline elements, characters, and other major elements in storytelling are reused over and over and over. (again T3)

Having Brainiac as robot who is not intrerested in revenge makes him different than previous villains.

Your right and wrong. It would make him a Borg carbon copy. But it would also make him boring, one dimensional and over simplistic. Which is why the Borg in Star Trek became so stale.

Plus Brainiac's origin is kinda convoluted, since yellow sun enegry makes Kryptonians immortal (DC One Million), why isn't Kem-L still around, how did the Coluians destroy him.

There are so many things wrong with what you brought up here, I don't even know where to start. For starters: DC one Million is an Elseworld storyline so it's Non-canon. Second: Kryptonians who have been exposed to a Yellow sun can still be killed.
Third: Kem-L and his followers haven't been exposed to a Yellow sun.
Fourth: The Coluans didn't destroy them. They all died. (but were saved by Brainiac) As for Kem-L's fate I know that he dies, how is the answer I'm Looking for.

Also why did Kem-L destroy Colu, enslavement would have made more sense?

Wow!! I don't mean to be rude, but this is truly absurd.
For Starters, Colu itself isn't destroyed, the Coluans are. Second, how does slavery make more sense? If you are a Racial Supremacist who is looking for more space to occupy why would you keep all other "inferior" races alive? Hitler plan clearly follows that logic, and from his or any other wackjob Supremacists reasoning exterminating "inferior" races makes the most sense. Slavery is a problematic, b/c you have to keep the slaves alive and housed thus you need lots of rescources to do so.

This background story brings up too many questions.

All questions that have been answered or questions that shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

Besides if revenge is Brainiac motive, then why would be interested in earth itself at all, wouldn't he just kill Superman and then want to move on?

His secondary motive involves extreme Darwinism for Earth. Seeing ask how Superman and Brainiac had one bad encounter they both are going to clash. Brainiac sees Superman as a foil to his experiement, so he wants him out of the way. His revenge motivation isn't really clear and secondly he doesn't have any ill will towards Superman himself because of his past dealings with Kryptonians. Again this is all early concept work for me so it's hard to assume what will happen. I might abandon the motivation entirely in the end.

Personally I think making Brainiac a robot makes him different from the previous villains, Lex and Zod, who allowed their emotions to control them, to an extent. Brainiac would have no emotions, Brainiac is dictated by pure cold logic, as he sees it. Besides I think Brainiac could have character development, as an AI.He goes from trying to help the Coluans with their problems to deciding the Coluans themselves are the problem and have to be destroyed.

Assumptions. Just b/c I stated that My Brainiac's motivation is Revenge you assume it's going to play out Like Zod and Luthor. That isn't the case at all so drop that assumption.

As for your take I'll say it again. It's dull and one-dimensional. It only works in a limited capacity.

As for this:

Besides I think Brainiac could have character development, as an AI.He goes from trying to help the Coluans with their problems to deciding the Coluans themselves are the problem and have to be destroyed.

It's very superficial development. Which leads to nothing more than that. A computer program gains sentience, so what? That's hardly development and is more of a plot device. Explain to me how over time that how your Brainiac can have any development beyond a single-minded sentient computer program and I'll open my mind a bit more.

Also Brainiac has an angry green man would look stupid on the silver screen,

Why are you assuming that he'd be some green man? There is a general Problem with all of your responses to my posts. (I'll address later)

Brainiac late post crisis look (skull headed robot) looks far cooler.

Not really. He's okay nothing more.

Superman vs. robot Brainiac sets up an interesting dynamic heart and copmpansion vs. cold logic and ruthless intelligence.

Been done to death. It's not a very interesting dynamic.

Plus I want Brainiac to kill Richard and?or Jason in the sequel.

Not even going to address that. Pointlessly killing characters just b/c you don't like them. Nuff said.

If superman kills the humaoid version of brainiac, it would be murder, not the case with a completely robotic version of Brainiac.

So? To me I think that Superman (or any Hero for that Matter) should explore the notion of Killing their enemies in Movies. Now that is good development.

Now To discuss our little exchange. I notice that whenever you comment on what I've posted on my take on Brainiac, you superficially discuss what I directly post and cricitcize it by making up assumptions as to what I might be thinking on the matter. Me on the other hand, I just directly discuss what you post and criticize you concepts that you bring up. I don't make assumption nor jump to conclusions. I think that that the next post that you make you should keep inmind that you should directly criticize what I post w/o jumping to conclusions.If you have a question about a concept then ask me. As of now my plan is very new, and is all in my head.

 

[Orko Is King]

Luthor can create Bizarro and Metallo in the sequel and Supes can go up against Darkseid in the 3rd movie.

 

[thorstone]

After reading the Superman Lives script, I am convinced Brainiac should never be put on film. It goes beyond the character being boring; the name just can't be said outloud without sounding ridiculous, especially when it is said thirty times in a movie straight faced by characters. It would turn into a drinking game...everytime they say Brainiac, take a shot.

 

[Excel]

Why bother with villains that can actually offer a challenge, when we can have another diabolical real estate scheme?

AHAHAHA


bring on ty zor mutha ****a!

 

[Immortalfire]

Glad to see Zod isn't leading this. I am so freakin tired of Zod, first two movies, all the talk about him on Smallville, Singer wanted him for Returns. Geesh, let him stay gone people.

 

[ervann]

Why do people think Bizarro would make a strong villian? Will it translate into screen well at all?

It is on par with Darkseid and ahead of Metello!

 

[Morgoth]

SR is wonderful but enough of Lex and Kryptonite, it's time for a big time Super Villian. I just saw Pirates 2 today and just seeing Davy and his Pirates and all the imagination put into it, made me long for a Super villian in Superman "2".

It's time. I hate how in all the movies like POTC 2 there is all this great fantasy but when it comes to a comic book movie they cut it back, it makes no sense, it is in the fantasy realm aswell. not quite the same but, still. The filmmakers say they are afraid the people don't wanna' see that and that they are afraid it won't make money, but Bull! Look at how much money Pirates 2 made and it has a squid headed pirate playing the Organ, it's not cheesy it is F-cking cool!

Now imagine Doomsday in SR 2. I think he'd be good, you can adapt him into it without doing the "death" story, they just had "Superman Returns" we don't need him to go away and Return again, but it would be a cool movie, and a great battle!

My thought is this, the WB logo comes up, you hear THOOM! and it shakes, then the DC logo then you hear again, THOOM!, and that shakes, then you see a big field, the camera goes underneath the ground, you see DD's fist punching through his cell as the bone extensions rip through the glove then the prison, then show him burst through the earth!!!

Now I'm not saying it has to be Doomsday but it would be cool, kind of a mixture of the Death story and Hunter Prey, to show his origin.

 

[The Overlord]

SR is wonderful but enough of Lex and Kryptonite, it's time for a big time Super Villian. I just saw Pirates 2 today and just seeing Davy and his Pirates and all the imagination put into it, made me long for a Super villian in Superman "2".

It's time. I hate how in all the movies like POTC 2 there is all this great fantasy but when it comes to a comic book movie they cut it back, it makes no sense, it is in the fantasy realm aswell. not quite the same but, still. The filmmakers say they are afraid the people don't wanna' see that and that they are afraid it won't make money, but Bull! Look at how much money Pirates 2 made and it has a squid headed pirate playing the Organ, it's not cheesy it is F-cking cool!

Now imagine Doomsday in SR 2. I think he'd be good, you can adapt him into it without doing the "death" story, they just had "Superman Returns" we don't need him to go away and Return again, but it would be a cool movie, and a great battle!

My thought is this, the WB logo comes up, you hear THOOM! and it shakes, then the DC logo then you hear again, THOOM!, and that shakes, then you see a big field, the camera goes underneath the ground, you see DD's fist punching through his cell as the bone extensions rip through the glove then the prison, then show him burst through the earth!!!

Now I'm not saying it has to be Doomsday but it would be cool, kind of a mixture of the Death story and Hunter Prey, to show his origin.

Doomsday is nothing more than a plot device, a mindless killing machine with no real character.

 

[JackBauer]

bring in The Elite (maybe created by LexCorp), and focus the movie on how Supes' "old-fashioned" values DO have a place in the cynical world that we live today.

that's how Singer should've approached the character when reintroducing him to the world.

 

[The Overlord]

I think you are seriously misusing the word Rehash. Rehashing would mean taking all the basic elements of one film and using them in another film, but only superficially changing some characteristics. (Example T3:ROTM) There is nothing truly wrong with the notion of revegn as amotivation as long as it is presented in a different each time it is used. However it can get old. The Problem is that you aren't looking at it with an open mind, you are assuming. If you have a question about what I posted them ask. As for disliking rehashes, the fact that you use the fact that question the motivation of My take on Brainiac and call it a rehash is flawed reasoning. Rehash are bad for Films series not b/c of Villain Motivations but b/c plotline elements, characters, and other major elements in storytelling are reused over and over and over. (again T3)

Your right and wrong. It would make him a Borg carbon copy. But it would also make him boring, one dimensional and over simplistic. Which is why the Borg in Star Trek became so stale.

There are so many things wrong with what you brought up here, I don't even know where to start. For starters: DC one Million is an Elseworld storyline so it's Non-canon. Second: Kryptonians who have been exposed to a Yellow sun can still be killed.
Third: Kem-L and his followers haven't been exposed to a Yellow sun.
Fourth: The Coluans didn't destroy them. They all died. (but were saved by Brainiac) As for Kem-L's fate I know that he dies, how is the answer I'm Looking for.

Wow!! I don't mean to be rude, but this is truly absurd.
For Starters, Colu itself isn't destroyed, the Coluans are. Second, how does slavery make more sense? If you are a Racial Supremacist who is looking for more space to occupy why would you keep all other "inferior" races alive? Hitler plan clearly follows that logic, and from his or any other wackjob Supremacists reasoning exterminating "inferior" races makes the most sense. Slavery is a problematic, b/c you have to keep the slaves alive and housed thus you need lots of rescources to do so.

All questions that have been answered or questions that shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

His secondary motive involves extreme Darwinism for Earth. Seeing ask how Superman and Brainiac had one bad encounter they both are going to clash. Brainiac sees Superman as a foil to his experiement, so he wants him out of the way. His revenge motivation isn't really clear and secondly he doesn't have any ill will towards Superman himself because of his past dealings with Kryptonians. Again this is all early concept work for me so it's hard to assume what will happen. I might abandon the motivation entirely in the end.

Assumptions. Just b/c I stated that My Brainiac's motivation is Revenge you assume it's going to play out Like Zod and Luthor. That isn't the case at all so drop that assumption.

As for your take I'll say it again. It's dull and one-dimensional. It only works in a limited capacity.

As for this:
It's very superficial development. Which leads to nothing more than that. A computer program gains sentience, so what? That's hardly development and is more of a plot device. Explain to me how over time that how your Brainiac can have any development beyond a single-minded sentient computer program and I'll open my mind a bit more.

Why are you assuming that he'd be some green man? There is a general Problem with all of your responses to my posts. (I'll address later)

Not really. He's okay nothing more.

Been done to death. It's not a very interesting dynamic.

Not even going to address that. Pointlessly killing characters just b/c you don't like them. Nuff said.

So? To me I think that Superman (or any Hero for that Matter) should explore the notion of Killing their enemies in Movies. Now that is good development.

Now To discuss our little exchange. I notice that whenever you comment on what I've posted on my take on Brainiac, you superficially discuss what I directly post and cricitcize it by making up assumptions as to what I might be thinking on the matter. Me on the other hand, I just directly discuss what you post and criticize you concepts that you bring up. I don't make assumption nor jump to conclusions. I think that that the next post that you make you should keep inmind that you should directly criticize what I post w/o jumping to conclusions.If you have a question about a concept then ask me. As of now my plan is very new, and is all in my head.

I'm sorry the whole darwinist thing is just a rip off of Apocalypse's motive, which was never that interesting in the first place. Besides it doesn't really make sense, Kem-L destroys Brainiac's planet for racial superority reasons and thenm suddenly Brainiac adopts the same ideology as his enemies, wouldn't he have an opposite reaction. Its a really stupid motive. Besides making him darwinists just makes him a space hitler character and those have done to death, it makes just another space despot, there are about million of them in comics alone. Hell, social darwinism was animated Grodd's motive in the JL cartoon, it is not orginal, it was been done a million times before.

Let me ask you something, if you oppose robot Brainiac because you believe he is a "one dimensional character", then why do you support the inclusion of Doomsday, who is nothing more than a one dimensional plot device in the comics?

If i'm making assumptions its because your being dodgey, you keep on saying you have all these great ideas, yet I have to press you to get any info and i have assume things because you are always skecky on the details, you have only recently presnted anything close to clear presentation of your ideas and they are either convoluted or short on important details (ex: you still haven't said what extractly brainiac should look like). Your trying to have it both ways, either present your ideas in full or stop mentioning them and work on them for bit before talking about them again, don't shoot down other people's ideas when your being dodegey with your own ideas.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I voted Lex and Brainiac,i think Brainiac will be the main villain with Lex in the background
Metallo is a possibility if they use the angle that Lex still has some kryptonite left from the museum heist

 

[WhatsHisFace]

There are so many ins for Braniac to seamlessly transfer in, it would be sad if he didn't.

Plus, with Jason being Kryptonian, Braniac could be a pretty good solution to that little problem, heh heh...

 

[Morgoth]

Another thought I had was , go with the Brainiac being from Krypton thing that was in the animated series and have Doomsday be like his henchman, he could say that he created him on Krypton and he sent him to Earth years ago, and that it's time to summon him, so DD has been under the Earth in stasis and then Brainiac wakes him and we see him rip to the surface. I really like this idea.

Hey, if Spidey can have three villians we can get two big hitters, and without overdoing it. I think that would be cool, and Doomsday as the "muscle" would work 'cause it's not like he's much more than a brute anyway, and it's not diminishing his character like what they did to Bane on Batman and Robin.

Bane had alot to his character, but DD is just a killing machine, so it works well.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

The franchise already began with a broken Lex, so the best thing to do is hint at how Lex can stop those stupid Real State Schemes and move on to something more useful, like:

1. Becoming a multimillionarie (he ALREADY IS - he got an heritage by the beginning of the movie, remember?).

2. Establish himself as a cleaned up businessman.

(Easy: all the proofs that he was responsible for New Krypton - i.e., the videotapes, that I suppose were crushed by that boulder - were destroyed when Supes threw NK at the space. Since NK has no force-field around it, everything that's magnetic degauss in space. Sure, there were eyewitnesses (Lois, Supes, Richard, even Kitty), but it takes more than that to put a man in jail - see O.J. for reference).

3. Start using his mind to create something that he really can throw at Superman.

He already has a sample of Supes blood, cause he saved a shard of the Kryptonite knife,so he can make a Bizarro, for example. (In fact, Nuclear Man WAS a Bizarro-like Luthor creation, made with a piece of Superman's hair; the difference is that it sucked).

And that's only ONE idea.

Let's not forget that, even if Kitty threw away the Krypton cristals, there's still the miniature NK at Luthor's basement. Maybe he can grow more crystals... or maybe SOMETHING ELSE can grow up from that mess. Apocalypse, maybe?

Possibilities... possibilities... there are SO MANY possibilities, and I still think WB will choose the easier route and use Zod. Again.

 

[BULLITT]

How about;

Brainiac is a Kryptonian A.I that was dormant on Krypton.

He was activated when Superman explored his destroyed birthplace (Jor-El & Lara's home (what remains of it).

Brainiac is designed to protect & promote everything Kryptonian.

He finds Superman on Earth and fails to get Kal-El to join him in re-creating Kryptonian society.

Brainiac is super-pissed (exposure to the primitive Earth cultures: he's picked-up our worst traits)

He meets up with Lex (who still has the leftover shank that he stabbed Superman with).

They create Bizzaro (failed attempt to clone Superman) from Superman's DNA (blood on shank), and then the mayhem begins.

Brainiac and Lex eventually are at odds with one another, because Brainiac thinks Superman's child is an abomination (half human), and Lex wants to raise the child as his own corrupt superhuman meglomaniac.

 

[GL1]

I don't think Bizarro is the way to go guys... Bizarro's a clone of Superman, that means Bizarro is unorigional. Superman would just be fighting himself. That's not actually cool, guys...

I would prefer Brainiac, grown from the crystals of NK to grow a Doomsday and send it to earth... Luthor, in order to solidfy his place as a public figure would actually HELP Superman, cuz he likes being alive...

Of course, in all honesty, Singer will probably have a some dark haired kryptonian female be the main villain somehow...

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Please No More Luther

They already shot Luther dead in 1968, stop screaming like a schoogirl on helium!

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Brainiac is designed to protect & promote everything Kryptonian.

That would be the Eradicator.