Superman vs. Hulk: epic, brutal bloodbath

[larryfilmmaker]

Yep.

Marvel already showed how this should play out twice now.

Hulk beat the crap out of Gladiator (Marvel's version of Superman pre-Sentry days)

Hulk beat Sentry in a titanic tussle in World War Hulk.

Either way, the Hulk is a more complex character and should be written to win.

Did you just "quote" a quote that nobody actually even made? I scrolled up to see who you were quoting and it doesn't even exist. You acted like you were agreeing with somebody and you wrote both opinions yourself.
Then, you stated that "Hulk is a more complex character and should be written to win."

Holy freakin bias. Talk about stating opinions as facts.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Supes mops the floor with Hulk as long as he is smart enough to use all his abilities and not just hammer it out toe to toe.

 

[The Question]

Either way, the Hulk is a more complex character and should be written to win.

What does complexity of character have anything to do with it? Giles in Buffy The Vampire Slayer is a more complex character than Superman, but Superman would still kick his ass.

 

[Docker2.0]

OK maybe not Odin but yeah pretty much everyone else. Some would put up a fight like Surfer, Thor or Sentry but they would all lose.

Let me get a hit of what you are smoking.

 

[Negrotigre]

OK maybe not Odin but yeah pretty much everyone else. Some would put up a fight like Surfer, Thor or Sentry but they would all lose.

What?! How would surfer lose?

 

[Docker2.0]

What?! How would surfer lose?

He wouldn't. The guy obviously has no clue to SS's powers. Even Hulk and Sentry are seriously up for debate. DD which is a Hulk rip off killed the guy so real mccoy could possibly do the same. Sentry.......dude's power limits haven't really been explored so again, up for debate.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

What does complexity of character have anything to do with it? Giles in Buffy The Vampire Slayer is a more complex character than Superman, but Superman would still kick his ass.

You really think Giles is more complex than Supes? I don't know. Just because an origin or backstory isn't dark, tragic, mysterious, or controversial doesn't mean it's not "complex".

Of course, based on the worship Frank Miller gets I'm definitely in the minority by saying that.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

I appreciate that.

The whole reason "Comic Book Guy" pops into the film is to mock the nerd debates about who would win in a fight.

I mean, I'm a Superman fan but he didn't win the fight because I'm a Superman fan. I'm also a fan of Green Arrow and The Question but Green Arrow isn't kicking ass in the film and The Question isn't even in it.

I had Superman win the fight because the whole story is basically the ultimate tribute to superheroes in general. The opening scene starts with Superman's birth, questionably the beginning of superhero lore as we know it. If you put aside your favorites and bias, it's hard to argue that Superman isn't the "godfather" of superheroes. He's number one and he's pretty much "the king". Ask most people who their favorite superhero is and they'll probably say Wolverine or Batman. Ask who the greatest superhero of all time is and they'll probably say Superman. Even non-comic and non-movie fans know who he is.

I wasn't trying to say that Superman SHOULD be your favorite hero by having him win. I was having the villains systematically erase superheroes from the Earth one by one. When you strip the entire culture of comics down to it's bare core and essence, the last piece is Superman. That's all. He may or not be the best character. Doesn't matter. He's "the greatest" in more ways than any of the others are, though some are better in certain aspects. It was more about history and paying tribute than about "who'd win in a fight?"

To be fair, I even gave Batman a "cool" scene with the Joker at the end of the main film to make up for how much we made fun of him.

It's not meant to be bias or whatever... it's just for fun. I've read online that it's "just more Superman propaganda".

Give me a break.

Very wise, you are.

Superman is the alpha and the omega. He would, and should, win for exactly the reasons you outlined.

Many internets for this.

You really think Giles is more complex than Supes? I don't know. Just because an origin or backstory isn't dark, tragic, mysterious, or controversial doesn't mean it's not "complex".

Of course, based on the worship Frank Miller gets I'm definitely in the minority by saying that.

Again,

Agreed that not everything has to be morbid and sadistic. Very tired of the Frank Miller circle-jerk that has been ongoing for decades.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man is my favorite character, but Superman is the godfather of all comic heroes, and the most important. Without him, none of the others happen IMO. Superman is also really given no respect in how complex he is, and it is amazing how people can diss Superman like they do. Yes, Superman is powerful. But, Superman is a symbol and that is what makes him great and complex. He has to deal with being the symbol of perfection and seen doing the right thing, but what is the right thing? This is what Superman is about. Like him or not.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

youtube took down the Superman/Hulk fight so DailyMotion.com is where to find the full vid

 

[dnno1]

How about this one:


And not part one of the fight:

 

[The Batman]

Superman should win in a fight. Because he's Superman. No other reason necessary, really.

 

[kedrell]

^That circular logic doesn't make any sense. IMO, Hulk would own him unless Supes was able to dig down deep within himself and become viscious enough to go all out. Hulk has no qualms about being viscious. And even then it'd still be a toss up. Of course the real correct answer is: "The winner is whoever he writers decide will win". Any character can be written to beat any other character.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Superman should win in a fight. Because he's Superman. No other reason necessary, really.

And Hulk is INCREDIBLE...look it up.

Everybody knows Incredible trumps Super.

Pound for pound Supes can't go the distance.

 

[Ponyboy]

haha, that statue! WTF?!

 

[The Batman]

I should also state that i personally dont really care if you disagree.

 

[Ponyboy]

I should also state that i personally dont really care if you disagree.

Well you must, if you came back in here to say that.

I pick Superman over Hulk.

 

[The Batman]

No. I dont. I saw my name being quoted and said what i said just in case people think my comment warrants having a tedious discussion.

Plus, I wondered why this topic bumped back up.

 

[Ponyboy]

wow I saw it was from 2009 just now. Yeesh. But hey, that Hulk running Superman through with a giant blade is epic. Whoever made that has some serious free time.

 

[kedrell]

Hehehe, I want that figurine. Of course I've always been a Hulk>Superman guy.

 

[Gamma Ra]

haha, that statue! WTF?!

Gravage Hulk: "You know...that I know...that YOU know...that I'm the strongest ONE there is!!! Ya got that PUNK?!? Don't go mixin' it up with the Hulk!!! You'll just end up in a World of hurt!!!"

Superman: "Gurgle...gurgle..."

 

[Gamma Ra]

I should also state that i personally dont really care if you disagree.

Why sooo serious?

I quoted your statement because "because" is not logical reasoning. Superman has been beaten before, so that can't be the logic, unless you believe it just is...???

 

[Gamma Ra]

Savage Hulk: "Hulk warned pretty red boots to stay away from him. But would stupid pretty red boots listen? Nooooooo!!! So Hulk will SMASH him!!!"

Pretty Red Boots: "Gurgle...gurgle..."

 

[kedrell]

Why sooo serious?

I quoted your statement because "because" is not logical reasoning. Superman has been beaten before, so that can't be the logic, unless you believe it just is...???

Both have been beaten before. Every character to my knowledge has been beaten before.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Either way, the Hulk is a more complex character and should be written to win.

That's idiotic. Character Complexity /= Relative Strength. Even if one buys the argument that the Hulk's a more complex character than Superman, how in the world does that mean that he can beat Superman in a fight?

And no, the Hulk most certainly can't take Superman in a fight. During World War Hulk, someone said that he could send the entire eastern seaboard plummeting into the Atlantic Ocean if he stamped his foot as hard as he could once or twice more. That's Hulk at his strongest and the absolute limits of his power, a level which he hasn't reached since.

On a bad day, Superman can still crack the planet in half with one punch.

"Hulk Is The Strongest One There Is" is just a tagline, not a definitive statement of fact. Just like "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut" is a tagline, as the Juggernaut is stopped often. Even if one takes that statement as true, that likely only applies in comparison to every other Marvel superhero. He's certainly not stronger than cosmic beings like Galactus. And it definitely doesn't apply to characters from other comic companies. Being a 10 on a 1-10 scale doesn't mean anything when put up against a character from a world where, as Superman once put it, the dial goes all the way up to 11.

The Hulk simply cannot take Superman in a straight up fight, and that's the plain truth, and nothing like character complexity or a legacy as the first superhero character has any bearing on that fact.