'Sword of Truth' aka Legend of the Seeker

[Monsieur Xavier]

its a process....Richard essentially builds her back in to being an actual person over the course of the books

Magicaly or it is more of a psychological process ?

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Does Richard have his magic back or is that still gone in the series?

 

[BlackLantern]

Magicaly or it is more of a psychological process ?

psychological....he brings her with him when he does everyday stuff or when hes talking to people

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hi,

I haven't read the book and it seems by your sentence that Cara get back her humanity in them. Can you explain me how she does that ?

I haven't read the books either. I was talking about the show. Cara's still technically a Baneling because she died and made the deal with the Keeper, but she drank that shadow water cure that allowed her body to stay alive without killing a person every day.

Does Richard have his magic back or is that still gone in the series?

In the show, Nicci still has Richard's magic. Probably the dumbest decision Richard's made so far, in my opinion.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

In the show, Nicci still has Richard's magic. Probably the dumbest decision Richard's made so far, in my opinion.

That is makes absolutely no sense and it is a plot line which is only in the show as the books had him avoid getting the gift stolen from him. In any case, if he does not ahve the gift then none of the agiels should work.

I bought the season 1 DVD but given everything I have heard I am probably not even going to watch it because even if it creates its own plot points and protrays things differently it did not need to completely butcher the story this series is based upon which it has done.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Does Richard have his magic back or is that still gone in the series?

His magic cannot be taken except by the Chimes. His magic is apart of him as the color of your eyes is apart of you, it's not something that can be taken at all ... unless it's by a power like the Chimes that essentially destroys the whole world.

I'll also add that there are no banelings in the books. The Mord Sith's redemption is because of Richard's goodness after his father Darken and grandfather Panis' bad treatment of them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Darken Rahl is still named "Darken" in the books? I was hoping that was part of the dumbing down for the show...

 

[ChickenScratch]

Why would they change a character's name for TV? Yes that's his name. Don't know why they changed it to being his brother though, or changed Panis to being a good guy. The Rahl family has been evil overlords of the Midlands for centuries.

They started out good, in fact Nathan Rahl (who lives in the palace with the sisters of the light but they didn't show him for some reason) was pretty much the last of the good ones and he's 400 years old ... but the spell on the Palace makes him look like a man in his 30's.

Oh, and he's the one who writes the prophecies, not the Creator, all Rahls have some power, Nathan's is prophecy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, because "Darken" is a really, really stupid name.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Gotta love those opinions.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

His magic cannot be taken except by the Chimes. His magic is apart of him as the color of your eyes is apart of you, it's not something that can be taken at all ... unless it's by a power like the Chimes that essentially destroys the whole world.

I'll also add that there are no banelings in the books. The Mord Sith's redemption is because of Richard's goodness after his father Darken and grandfather Panis' bad treatment of them.

Actually his power could be taken away through a few methods per the books. The way they did it in the show is quite simialar to a method used in the Stone of Tears that Richard at the last moment prevented. That method was actually meant to be permanent per the book. Now from everything I have heard, he lost it to Nicci and I honestly don't see how he could get it back or whether they will even give it back to him. And if he does not get it back then there is no chance for half the stories in print to make it to the screen which results in my loss of interest.

Also note banelings were featured in Wizard's First Rule when Darken transformed a child into one.

Regarding the Chimes, they only take away additive magic and don't tell me they are present in the show already. In addition, if Richard is the brother then how can he be gifted in the first place or is that not even adressed as the Rahl bloodline always produces just one gifted heir.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Gotta love those opinions.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Actually his power could be taken away through a few methods per the books. The way they did it in the show is quite simialar to a method used in the Stone of Tears that Richard at the last moment prevented. That method was actually meant to be permanent per the book. Now from everything I have heard, he lost it to Nicci and I honestly don't see how he could get it back or whether they will even give it back to him. And if he does not get it back then there is no chance for half the stories in print to make it to the screen which results in my loss of interest.

Also note banelings were featured in Wizard's First Rule when Darken transformed a child into one.

Regarding the Chimes, they only take away additive magic and don't tell me they are present in the show already. In addition, if Richard is the brother then how can he be gifted in the first place or is that not even adressed as the Rahl bloodline always produces just one gifted heir.

Nicci taking his power you learn later on would not have been permanent. As long as Richard believed he doesn't have powers they won't manifest. Otherwise it's suppression with the Rada-han, his powers are on a scale that even Nicci could not absorb. The chimes destroy all magic, not just additive, everyone was at risk. as for the baneling in the first book, don't remember that, but I do remember Darken using the child's soul to enter the underworld.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Why would they change a character's name for TV? Yes that's his name. Don't know why they changed it to being his brother though, or changed Panis to being a good guy. The Rahl family has been evil overlords of the Midlands for centuries.

They started out good, in fact Nathan Rahl (who lives in the palace with the sisters of the light but they didn't show him for some reason) was pretty much the last of the good ones and he's 400 years old ... but the spell on the Palace makes him look like a man in his 30's.

Oh, and he's the one who writes the prophecies, not the Creator, all Rahls have some power, Nathan's is prophecy.

Nathan is almost 1000 years old. And he's not a prophet just because he's a Rahl; his gift manifested itself in prophecy.

Actually his power could be taken away through a few methods per the books. The way they did it in the show is quite simialar to a method used in the Stone of Tears that Richard at the last moment prevented. That method was actually meant to be permanent per the book. Now from everything I have heard, he lost it to Nicci and I honestly don't see how he could get it back or whether they will even give it back to him. And if he does not get it back then there is no chance for half the stories in print to make it to the screen which results in my loss of interest.

The only way to truly strip a wizard of his gift is to kill him and drain it from him. Any other way is either trickery or a spell, such as when Violet and Six sealed his gift from him. All that was needed was for the drawing to be erased, and his gift returned. Also the same thing happened to Kahlan in Stone of Tears... she was afraid her power had been stripped, but Confessor's magic can't be taken away anymore than a wizard's can.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Nathan is almost 1000 years old. And he's not a prophet just because he's a Rahl; his gift manifested itself in prophecy.

My mistake on the age. And yes, I know his gift is manifested as prophecy, non of them ever inherit the gift in the same form (or at all, like Oba the Oaf).

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

This guy looks almost exactly how I imagine Jagang

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

edit

 

[ChickenScratch]

I could see that. Ad the chains, the nose to ear ring, shave the head and grease him up and it could work.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

This makes my day.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkeLrWhp5fc[/YT]

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Nicci taking his power you learn later on would not have been permanent. As long as Richard believed he doesn't have powers they won't manifest. Otherwise it's suppression with the Rada-han, his powers are on a scale that even Nicci could not absorb. The chimes destroy all magic, not just additive, everyone was at risk. as for the baneling in the first book, don't remember that, but I do remember Darken using the child's soul to enter the underworld.

Nathan is almost 1000 years old. And he's not a prophet just because he's a Rahl; his gift manifested itself in prophecy.



The only way to truly strip a wizard of his gift is to kill him and drain it from him. Any other way is either trickery or a spell, such as when Violet and Six sealed his gift from him. All that was needed was for the drawing to be erased, and his gift returned. Also the same thing happened to Kahlan in Stone of Tears... she was afraid her power had been stripped, but Confessor's magic can't be taken away anymore than a wizard's can.

OK to both of you, referring to the books, in Stone of Tears, Richard attempts to escape the Rada Han with the help of a dark sorcerous (I forgot her name) and she using that little statue of hers tries to draw it out of him. He enables her to do so by suffering through the pain. However, at the very last moment he prevents it and takes all his gift back and then kills her through a sword battle.

And with regard the Chimes, in the books they only absorbed additive power and not subtractive which is why richard still had some power and was able to banish them at the end.

Now my questions are with regard to the series, and from what i read here his powers were taken away. Are you stating that in the series tehy were not and that he has his wizardly powers still?

 

[ChickenScratch]

Yeah he still has them, but TV Richard seems not smart enough to figure it out. Just the sword lighting up should tell him that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought that happened for any named Seeker who held the Sword of Truth.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Everyone in that world has some trace of additive magic in them, not on the level that you can use it but a little is there in you, the sword is a conduit for magic. Many people use that trace and study to become wizards, witches, what have you because you can be taught to manipulate the trace that's there. Unlike a Wizard of the First Order who is born to power like Zedd. It's like someone who's born with perfect pitch and becomes a great musician as compared to someone who's sent to school to learn it.

If he were truly striped of his powers then the sword would not glow in his hands, much like if one of the pristinely ungifted touched it. If he didn't still have his powers he wouldn't fight as well as he does since through the magic of the link with the sword he's granted the skill and knowledge of all the previous Seekers (the dance of death they call it). All this is slowly revealed in the books, after all, how can a country boy who has no training in martial arts suddenly become so great?

 

[ChickenScratch]

Double

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The show tends to gloss over any specifics like that. I assumed the sword was magically making Richard a better fighter, but I didn't know he had to retain some spark of his own personal magic to make it work.

I guess that would be a better indicator that he still has his magic than the agiels. The fact that they're still working made me suspect that maybe Richard had a trace of his magic left. But then I figured they might still be working because the magic associated with the Rahl bloodline was out there somewhere, even if it was in Nicci rather than Richard himself .