Talk about using the "Fear Card".

[jaguarr]

and, to boil down a democrat to "someone who gives money to people that are lazy" is ridiculous, it would like saying republicans only care about the rich and "hate" the poor.

Yeah, that's a total misnomer about Republicans. They're also religious zealots who want to force Christianity on everyone through legislation.



jag

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, that's a total misnomer about Republicans. They're also religious zealots who want to force Christianity on everyone through legislation.



jag

And there are those Republicans that simply want less big government control. Wow, theres all kinds of Republicans and Democrats....its amazing.

 

[Tron5000]

And there are those Republicans that simply want less big government control. Wow, theres all kinds of Republicans and Democrats....its amazing.

Don't forget about clinging to our guns and all that. We want to arm everyone, even children, the mentally ill, whoever...Bring back the Wild West.

 

[jaguarr]

And there are those Republicans that simply want less big government control. Wow, theres all kinds of Republicans and Democrats....its amazing.

If those Republicans would stop voting for the jerkwads running the show at the moment, they might get their wish.

jag

 

[Hobgoblin]

I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if we'd had a Republican president at the time," Meehan said Wednesday on CNN's "American Morning."

Oh for God's sake....

 

[jaguarr]

The irony of this kind of thinking is that, really, if it weren't for a Republican President (Reagan) having the CIA train bin Laden and his band of merry a-holes, Osama bin Laden ultimately never would have orchestrated 9/11 in the first place.

jag

 

[Hobgoblin]

The irony of this kind of thinking is that, really, if it weren't for a Republican President (Reagan) having the CIA train bin Laden and his band of merry a-holes, Osama bin Laden ultimately never would have orchestrated 9/11 in the first place.

jag

NO NO NO!!! YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG!!! REAGAN WAS A GOD!!! HE COULD TURN WATER INTO WINE!

 

[Kelly]

If those Republicans would stop voting for the jerkwads running the show at the moment, they might get their wish.

jag

Who says they have? Most of my friends are Republicans, most are part of the Republicans I described above, none of my friends voted for Bush, last time, and most did not vote for him the first time. Most of them are Regan Republicans.

People need to realize that over the past decades there has been more of what is called "tribal voting" rather than "party voting". Tribal voting can be just as bad, if its a stupid white man running, or 2 stupid white men running

Hispanics, young voters and blacks, had better get their asses out the door and register AND vote. It does nothing, if the only percentage that goes up is registered voters.

 

[The Chairman]

That is worse than the New Yorker drawing as far as I'm concerned. Disgusting.

 

[Raiden]

That is worse than the New Yorker drawing as far as I'm concerned. Disgusting.

I agree. And it's funny how he is trying to blame 9/11 on Clinton, when 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. This man is looney.

 

[BlackestNight]

Who says they have? Most of my friends are Republicans, most are part of the Republicans I described above, none of my friends voted for Bush, last time, and most did not vote for him the first time. Most of them are Regan Republicans.

People need to realize that over the past decades there has been more of what is called "tribal voting" rather than "party voting". Tribal voting can be just as bad, if its a stupid white man running, or 2 stupid white men running

Hispanics, young voters and blacks, had better get their asses out the door and register AND vote. It does nothing, if the only percentage that goes up is registered voters.

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN PREACH ON BROTHER

 

[The Chairman]

I agree. And it's funny how he is trying to blame 9/11 on Clinton, when 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. This man is looney.

You could argue that the circumstances which lead to the terrorists carrying out the attacks were because of certain policy decisions made by Clinton and other previous presidents (Reagan and Carter come to mind), but it's Bush's fault the attack actually happened, and the fact that he knew about it is appalling.

 

[gap5ewl]

Does this guy realize that the republicans were in charge when 9/11 happened? And a republican was president?

 

[Schlosser85]

I think that billboard is pretty unintentionally ironic, since last time I checked, uh hello, it was a Republican President on 9/11, who did nothing to stop it, at the very best through negligence and incompetence, and that is giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Kelly]

I think what they are relating it to is the fact that the Sudan government had Bin Laden, and Clinton did nothing.

Of course, as I believe has been mentioned somewhere around here, we fought next to Bin Laden in Afghanistan, of course we didn't know at that time that Bin Laden would become the terrorist that he did, and our big enemy back then was those big bad communist behind the iron curtain, in their 3rd world country.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

that's an urban legend.
It was Bush that de-emphasized Bin Laden.
not to demonize Bush or anything, it's simply the truth.

 

[Kelly]

No, actually he was held by Sudan, but Clinton didn't have anything to hold him on, therefore he asked Saudi Arabia to take him, they refused.

I'm not saying that Clinton totally screwed up, I'm simply saying that is what they are relating back to that incident. Again, as I've said before, people's perception is their truth. If your perception was that because Clinton did not go in and get Bin Laden from the Sudanese, then that meant he did nothing. Perception goes a long way.

I think we are in a tough position with Pakistan, as we were with Clinton and the Saudi's. Clinton did not want to upset the Saudi's in any way, just as Bush does not want to upset Pakistan.

Should we have gone into Iraq, no....even though I am glad that Sadaam is gone......should we get back to where the true war is in Afghanistan, yes, and it seems that we are.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No, actually he was held by Sudan, but Clinton didn't have anything to hold him on, therefore he asked Saudi Arabia to take him, they refused.

I'm not saying that Clinton totally screwed up, I'm simply saying that is what they are relating back to that incident. Again, as I've said before, people's perception is their truth. If your perception was that because Clinton did not go in and get Bin Laden from the Sudanese, then that meant he did nothing. Perception goes a long way.

well, for one I was answering a post that stated "Clinton did nothing" and you didn't say this was perception, this was stated as fact.
and, as I said before that is still kind of a urban legend, because Richard Clarke said the story was a "fable", and that the claims were made by the Sudanese and Americans friendly to Sudan, but Clarke points out that Bin Laden was a benefactor and friend to Sudanese leader Hassan al-Turabi
so that the offer to arrest or hand him to the US is kind of far fetched.
and it's not Clinton mind you, but also the 9-11 commission who state:

"we have found no reliable evidence to support (that) claim"

so, like I have to go with the official information where it makes sense, I'd have to go with it still today, to say that "Clinton did nothing" is wrong.

in fact, and I have posted this before, Clinton created a "Bin Laden Room" and one official said he was "obsessed" with Bin Laden, Paul Bremer, put it a little less "in your face " when he said Clinton "correctly focused on bin Laden."

so like I said, they might perceive otherwise, but still......Urban legend.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

lag...lag...lag

 

[danoyse]

This is an interesting fact about Meehan...looks like he won't be voting Republican either:

http://www.wesh.com/politics/16903976/detail.html

Many people are outraged Wednesday over a series of billboards popping up in Central Florida.

They carry a political message, but the image is one that some find offensive, and one that recalls one of our nation's darkest moments.

The three identical billboards show the World Trade Center shortly after the 9/11 attacks and the message reads: "Please don't vote for a Democrat."

It also directs people to a Web site where a music video titled: "The Republican Song" plays.

"What type of President are we going to have?" activist Mike Meehan said.

Mike Meehan of St. Cloud is the musician behind the Web site, and the designer and buyer of the billboard. He said it means that our nation's security is weak, and Democratic presidents and lawmakers are to blame.

"This billboard does not offend anybody, well except the liberals, but it shouldn't be offending anybody except for the fact that we need to remember these people that died. We need to remember that we need to always fight this war on terrorism," Meehan said.

Both major political parties are offended, and are condemning the billboards.

The Democratic party released a statement saying, "This man is not a patriot, he is a profiteer."

"I think it's an affront to the victims of 9/11 and their families," Bill Robinson, chair of the Orange County Democrats, said. "It appears to me he is attempting to sell his CDs through shocking people and generating this kind of hubbub."

The Republicans party released a statement saying, "(We)... would not purchase, encourage, support or endorse anything like it."

But some voters have a different take.

"Is it appropriate? No. Is it free speech? Yes. And I think it comes down to you have a right to free speech," voter Chris Colli said.

Meehan said the billboard will remain in place through the November election. He won't be voting in that election -- he's a citizen of Canada.

A spokeswoman for Beech Outdoor Advertising, which is displaying the billboards, said the company suggested to Meehan changes to the billboard images, but felt the company was in no position to censor a client's message.

Yep, he's Canadian.

 

[jaguarr]

Dirty Canadians! Where's Lou Dobbs when you need him?

jag

 

[Kelly]

well, for one I was answering a post that stated "Clinton did nothing" and you didn't say this was perception, this was stated as fact.
and, as I said before that is still kind of a urban legend, because Richard Clarke said the story was a "fable", and that the claims were made by the Sudanese and Americans friendly to Sudan, but Clarke points out that Bin Laden was a benefactor and friend to Sudanese leader Hassan al-Turabi
so that the offer to arrest or hand him to the US is kind of far fetched.
and it's not Clinton mind you, but also the 9-11 commission who state:

"we have found no reliable evidence to support (that) claim"

so, like I have to go with the official information where it makes sense, I'd have to go with it still today, to say that "Clinton did nothing" is wrong.

in fact, and I have posted this before, Clinton created a "Bin Laden Room" and one official said he was "obsessed" with Bin Laden, Paul Bremer, put it a little less "in your face " when he said Clinton "correctly focused on bin Laden."

so like I said, they might perceive otherwise, but still......Urban legend.

Taped Interview turn your volume down alittle before listening.

Article Source: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml?s=ic

This may be an urban legend, BUT at one point Clinton doesn't deny it. The audio interview pretty much proves that.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Taped Interview turn your volume down alittle before listening.

Article Source: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml?s=ic

This may be an urban legend, BUT at one point Clinton doesn't deny it. The audio interview pretty much proves that.

ummm no, did you like...umm actually listen to the interview?

here's what you said
"I think what they are relating it to is the fact that the Sudan government had Bin Laden, and Clinton did nothing."

the problem? as addressed before was that Bin Laden was not captured or held by the Sudanese government as the 9-11 report explains

"In late 1995, when Bin Ladin was still in Sudan, the State Department and CIA learned that Sudanese officials were discussing with the Saudi government the possibility of expelling Bin Ladin. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney encouraged the Sudanese to pursue this course. The Saudis, however, did not want Bin Ladin, giving as their reason revocation of his citizenship. Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence this was so. Ambassador Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel Bin Ladin. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment outstanding." (The 9/11 Commission Report, authorized edition, 109-110).

which, despite the claims newsmax ( a totally crdible news source BTW) makes is completely in concordance with the taped Clinton interview.

"So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [Al Qaeda]. We got -- well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

so again, since the claims have been refuted by many including Richard Clarke ( who worked for several administrations including Reagan so it's not like he is covering his pal Clinton) I'll have to go with them and the 9-11 commission as to the goings on.
especially since, at about 1997 or 1998 I happen to buy a GQ issue where they interviewed Bin Laden ( It Had Pam Anderson on the cover) and the article also spoke of the Clinton admins near obssesion with the dude.

of course, lest we forget that, at the time Sudan was named as a "top financier" of terrorism along with Bin Laden so really, if this were a courtroom you'd see how this would look?
what's Bin Laden suspected of? trying to assasinate the President of Egypt.
I wonder, if clinton( who tried and failed to kill bin laden in 1998 and several other ocassions) had succeeded in killing Bin laden in 1995, what would the media and the public who were in 1999 tired of "nation building" have said?

so like I said.

Sudan never "had" Bin Laden, Bin Laden was living there of his own accord, they did however expell him from their country.

Clinton did what he could politically, given the fact that, at the time, Bin Laden was tied to the WTC bombings in the most tenuous of ways, you want to be angry about something?
suposedly the Clinton camp along with the Brits refused Sudanese intelligence files on Bin Laden, suposedly, that I CAN believe since Albright wanted to shun Sudan and probably didn't accept the files out of spite.

so again I must say. the billboard is idiotic, from the simple fact that the Clinton admin stopped cold Millenium Bombimg attacks planned by AL Quaeda, stopped an attack planned for the LA airport and stopped anywhere from 5 to 15 attacks from december 1999 to January 2000
only after Bush comes into Office, does operation "Catcher’s Mitt" (a surveillance program on Al Quaeda) die.

not only that, but Clinton had a plan to kill Bin Laden using the old "mechanized hellfire from the skies" approach, but you know the Bush administration, they had other plans. again, I could go on, but anyone claiming that Democrats were responsible for 9-11 are either misinformed of just plain stupid.
to even imply it requires a certain level of denial unavailable to mere human adults like me, but plentiful in the " I'll hold my breath till I turn blue" 3 to 5 year old population.

so in closing, no, it's just an urban legend.

 

[Sandman138]

I see this billboard as merely a reminder that the First Amendment is alive and well, no matter how much people may try to silence the speech of private citizens. While I disagree with the billboard, it would upset me more if this man were made to take it down.

Indeed. I think the proper action to be taken is to raise a billboard right next to his that proclaims "Meehan is a snake-oil selling *****ebag".

 

[hammerhedd11]

I'm a staunch Republican, but this man and his billboard sickens me.

Same here. Don't associate us with people who make signs like that.