The Dark Knight TDK Casting Sides

[wikum]

Randolph could be Loeb. Really easily, actually. That might explain some things, Wikum... as well as how Gordon becomes police chief.


Why? I have a hard time believing it's Dawes.

Why? Because the rumour is that Dent get scarred protecting Dawes. Also Rossi tries to make the prosecutor look like a complete fool in this scene. Dent wouldn't just sit there and take it. Dawes would probably try and play it by the book.

PROSECUTOR
Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile

Ok now picture Rossi throwing a glass of acid at Dawes at this moment. The imagine the whole stereotypical Dent throwing himself into the line of fire "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooo" and takes the acid full on the face.

Thats is my reasoning behind Prosecutor = Dawes.

 

[Ryan227]

Thanks Anjow, it's nice to be loved, lol.

Wikum, I really view that as language more suited for Dent. He doesn't develop dual personalities just because acid is thrown on him. Dent has always had a hot temper and it makes sense that he would or could get frustrated with Rossi backing on his original statement and want to get hostile with him. I can honestly see the case for it being Dawes because of how flustered the prosecutor gets but I think its Dent because of Rossi's reaction.

 

[wikum]

Thanks Anjow, it's nice to be loved, lol.

Wikum, I really view that as language more suited for Dent. He doesn't develop dual personalities just because acid is thrown on him. Dent has always had a hot temper and it makes sense that he would or could get frustrated with Rossi backing on his original statement and want to get hostile with him. I can honestly see the case for it being Dawes because of how flustered the prosecutor gets but I think its Dent because of Rossi's reaction.

Ahh but maybe Rossi is being so cocky because he finds it easy to belittle a woman. thats my take on it anyway.

 

[Ryan227]

Ahh but maybe Rossi is being so cocky because he finds it easy to belittle a woman. thats my take on it anyway.

Like I said, I understand the argument for it being Dawes but could he be cocky because he has been promised something by the mob or someone else if he takes the fall?

 

[regwec]

The next person to use the word "noob", or who refers to anyone's postcount in a pejorative sense, will incur my displeasure.

More or less everyone here has had some interesting ideas, most of which are plausible and intelligent. All of us are clearly excited by these snippets, and all of us are undeniably Batfans. More unites us that divides us. Stop fighting. It's boring.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The next person to use the word "noob", or who refers to anyone's postcount in a pejorative sense, will incur my displeasure.

More or less everyone here has had some interesting ideas, most of which are plausible and intelligent. All of us are clearly excited by these snippets, and all of us are undeniably Batfans. More unites us that divides us. Stop fighting. It's boring.

I co sign this.


make a choice people..and make the right one.!

 

[sasquatchs]

While I've been here its been mainly the new people who come up with the fresh ideas, before they get shot down by someone with 15000 useless posts.

Can't really see Chuckles being Mr J, why advertise a non-existent role that 100s of people will apply for? I do like the idea of Joker hiding amongst his oblivious henchmen though.

 

[Agentsands77]

Dent wouldn't just sit there and take it. Dawes would probably try and play it by the book.

Well, that's tenuous at best. I think it would fit Dent. Furthermore, we don't know how this Dent acts. We're just judging on our knowledge of the character from the past.

Ok now picture Rossi throwing a glass of acid at Dawes at this moment. The imagine the whole stereotypical Dent throwing himself into the line of fire "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooo" and takes the acid full on the face.

He'd have to move as fast as Superman to get Rachel out of the way. Think of it - he'd have to leap out from behind the desk and then work his way around her and throw himself in line of the acid.

 

[wikum]

Well, that's tenuous at best. I think it would fit Dent. Furthermore, we don't know how this Dent acts. We're just judging on our knowledge of the character from the past.


He'd have to move as fast as Superman to get Rachel out of the way. Think of it - he'd have to leap out from behind the desk and then work his way around her and throw himself in line of the acid.

I agree but hell I have seen weirder things happen on film.

Ok so it probably is Dent, especially after I read the other Prosecutor scene, but its not clear cut.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Ok now picture Rossi throwing a glass of acid at Dawes at this moment. The imagine the whole stereotypical Dent throwing himself into the line of fire "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooo" and takes the acid full on the face.

Thats is my reasoning behind Prosecutor = Dawes.

So in that scenario you think Dent would be co-counsel, using Rachel to help plead the case against Maroni on behalf of the DA's office? I guess I could see that. But if that's what's going on, I can't imagine Dent letting an underling question such an important witness. (This is assuming that Dent is the D.A. and Dawes is an assistant D.A.). If he's Gotham's Apollo, I think he'd want to be the main man.

And while I don't like the whole 'Dent jumping the way of the acid' idea (too cliched, or as you said "stereotypical"), I do like that you shrunk the size of the O's in "No" to show that it tails off.

 

[Ryan227]

I don't see Dent stepping aside for ANYONE esp in a high profile case such as the Maroni one. I also can't see Dent getting from behind a table all the way to the judge's bench in time to get hit with the acid before Rachel. He's not Superman you know....

 

[Rory gets laid]

dude. arrogant. what you're implying is bullshiiiit. you have kids? if not then **** and don't insinuate like that into personal matters. if i don't respond to your next 'retort' it's cos i'm not here to deal with people like you

And you just had to write that to let me know, didn't you.

Well I hope you feel better now.

 

[Rory gets laid]

I think Rory is right though.

Chuckles and Gentle Voice = Joker. From what I have read I would take a guess that Maroni sets up the bankjob and either hires Joker or Joker just finds out about it and acts like he's been hired. Then he kills all the other goons and leaves the bank with all the money and double crosses Maroni.

I have read these things over and over and there are definitely multiple names for the same character. Here are a few I am pretty certain of:

Kennedy = Wayne
Avenger = Batman
Gannon = Dent
The Chief = Gordon (possibly Loeb but I doubt it)
Natascha = Bruce's new random 1 scene bimbo
The Prisoner= Joker
Chuckles = Joker
Gentle Voice = Joker
Voice = Joker
Randolph = Loeb
Wuertz = Flass
Faulkner = Wayne
Prosecutor = Dawes (lots of you will probably think Dent but I have a reason to think this is Dawes)

It's funny too, 'cause a certain fellow over at another site discussing this same exact thing (not mentioning any names) doesn't seem to think the idea of this is that farfetched either...and his opinon is respected way more than mine (not that it would take much for that to happen...eh, Anjow?).

Anyways, I've said it a thousand times, and I'll continue to say it until it is implemented in collective conscious regarding these sides -- this doesn't include everyone, by the way; regwec, Ryan227, wikum, (even) AgentSands & a few others have ably promoted healthy debate/intriguing speculation on this thread:

THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN THE SIDES ARE REFERRED TO BY MULTIPLE NAMES, AND IS POSSIBLE THAT ONE NAME MAY REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE CHARACTER IN CERTAIN SCENES.

End of story.

*signs the no noob-flaming petition, for the sake of everyone's sanity*

You know, I hate to keep stirring the pot, but if I keep things that bother me to myself all the time, sometimes they eat me up inside until I let them out (or until I headbutt somebody)...everyone can read my posts here, as well as at BOF, and its abundantly clear that I'm here to invoke intelligent discussion...but Anjow, you clearly tried to flame me & opinions over there as well in front of who you referred to as your "adult friends" (aww...isn't that cute!) who, as you now know, clearly agree with what I'm trying to suggest as well, although it's a little more difficult to discuss anywhere other than SHH...

Anyways, I take full credit for the mulitple-name theory...and the sooner people are willing to see it that way, the sooner we can piece together the skeletal framework of the story arc that is going to be the next two Batman films...if that's what we want here.

If this is too close to spoiler territory -- even for those who decided to read the sides -- I suggest we open a new thread for those who'd like to work on deconstructing the story arc....all in favour, say I (or somebody start the thread, for that matter).

...and Anjow, your ignorant to not take into account that anyone with half a brain at anytime can go over to BOF, read your posts and see who the real Two-Face is...lucky for you, it's barely worth the trouble.

 

[regwec]

Now, now...

If The Joker is represented by the named characters that we expect in these excerpts, then we can make some interesting refelctions on his characterisation. Nowhere does he really appear to be a raving loon: the bank robber is certainly sadistic and sardonic, and the prisoner is provocative and sinister, but the character (if it is indeed one) could be better described as calculating than cracked.

Perhaps this marries itself more comfortably to a backstory based in mob-politics and professional criminality, rather than a tale of an ordinary man perverted by circumstance?

 

[itsthebatman]

It's funny too, 'cause a certain fellow over at another site discussing this same exact thing (not mentioning any names) doesn't seem to think the idea of this is that farfetched either...and his opinon is respected way more than mine (not that it would take much for that to happen...eh, Anjow?).

Anyways, I've said it a thousand times, and I'll continue to say it until it is implemented in collective conscious regarding these sides -- this doesn't include everyone, by the way; regwec, Ryan227, wikum, (even) AgentSands & a few others have ably promoted healthy debate/intriguing speculation on this thread:

THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN THE SIDES ARE REFERRED TO BY MULTIPLE NAMES, AND IS POSSIBLE THAT ONE NAME MAY REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE CHARACTER IN CERTAIN SCENES.

End of story.

*signs the no noob-flaming petition, for the sake of everyone's sanity*

You know, I hate to keep stirring the pot, but if I keep things that bother me to myself all the time, sometimes they eat me up inside until I let them out (or until I headbutt somebody)...everyone can read my posts here, as well as at BOF, and its abundantly clear that I'm here to invoke intelligent discussion...but Anjow, you clearly tried to flame me & opinions over there as well in front of who you referred to as your "adult friends" (aww...isn't that cute!) who, as you now know, clearly agree with what I'm trying to suggest as well, although it's a little more difficult to discuss anywhere other than SHH...

Anyways, I take full credit for the mulitple-name theory...and the sooner people are willing to see it that way, the sooner we can piece together the skeletal framework of the story arc that is going to be the next two Batman films...if that's what we want here.

If this is too close to spoiler territory -- even for those who decided to read the sides -- I suggest we open a new thread for those who'd like to work on deconstructing the story arc....all in favour, say I (or somebody start the thread, for that matter).

...and Anjow, your ignorant to not take into account that anyone with half a brain at anytime can go over to BOF, read your posts and see who the real Two-Face is...lucky for you, it's barely worth the trouble.

Pretty pleased with yourself, aren't you? And now you are flaming, especially with your comments about Anjow. It's a good theory, and well done for bringing it up, but I think it had been raised by other people also. A bit of humility goes a long way.

 

[Rory gets laid]

Pretty pleased with yourself, aren't you? And now you are flaming, especially with your comments about Anjow. It's a good theory, and well done for bringing it up, but I think it had been raised by other people also. A bit of humility goes a long way.

Whatever dude...you know as well as I do (or maybe you don't, I dunno)that you can't get a stronger point across when someone says something ignorant to you than when you show them exactly how what they said made you feel...but how come every time I try to end it & move forward with the discussion, someone else always has something smart thay also wanna share? Yeah I'm pleased with myself...how 'bout you?

Anyways, if it HAS been brought up before by someone else before me, don't try to cut me down to size by merely claiming it -- that is redundant -- but rather say nothing, and quote the post from whatever thread you found it in, and show me. Would that not seem like the logical thing to do? Sure beats trying to make me out to be a pompous jerk (which I'm not, by the way).

Anyways, in regards to what I said earlier about a story arc discussion thread...would anybody be interested in something like that?

 

[regwec]

Yes, though this thread should suffice, if we could all just rise above some of the less pleasant sentiment we have seen over the last few pages...all of us.

Why not make a start by responding to my (on topic) post a couple of spaces above?

 

[itsthebatman]

well yeah, but take into notice that the guy asks about Randolph right after the mayor talks about the chief.

Randolph = Jim
Chief = Lt. Gordan

Two ways of saying his name IMO.

This was the first time it was mentioned that multiple names might be used for one character. March 18th.

 

[Anjow1060]

OK you know something I've held my tongue long enough, and I don't give two ****s if this gets me banned over here, but Rory = **** OFF. Honestly. I haven't said shyt about or two you for a while now and you continue to bait me. Get a ****ing life and talk about the topic without going into your personal attacks. You want a personal attack? I think i've figured out your username = you're proud that you got laid once in however the **** you've lived and needed to make a screen name about it. Not to mention, you prolly got laid by a guy. There? Is that what you wanted from me cuz now you got it? Call me two-faced all you want because I conduct myself with a bit more self restrain over at BOF, but I've tried to be the bigger man and let it go around here. But obviously you can't and have to continue to mention me in everyone of your posts. **** off you little immature bastard. It's quite obvious that you are a trouble maker as you've pissed off some other posters around here as well, not to mention at BOF. I can grow past disputes with posters as I have with JL Unlimited. I had a small beef with him in the beg. but he was cool about it, and I cooled off about it and we're getting along fine now, here and BOF. But you have to be a little whiney ***** and try and mention me in everyone of your posts to get a rise out of me. So there ya go. I'm pissed off at your little *** ass quips that u have to try and bait me because you need attention from me. little ****ing homo.


BAN ME = idc anymore

 

[BeginsSucked]

These sides suck. "I'll show you hostile!"

This movie will be as witty as Megas XLR, meaning painfully stupid.

 

[itsthebatman]

Now, now...

If The Joker is represented by the named characters that we expect in these excerpts, then we can make some interesting refelctions on his characterisation. Nowhere does he really appear to be a raving loon: the bank robber is certainly sadistic and sardonic, and the prisoner is provocative and sinister, but the character (if it is indeed one) could be better described as calculating than cracked.

Perhaps this marries itself more comfortably to a backstory based in mob-politics and professional criminality, rather than a tale of an ordinary man perverted by circumstance?

Definitely. I subscribe to the view that, even in the comics, Joker is not as crazy as he makes himself out to be, or as others think (or our best testing indicates). It does make more sense for him to be a professional criminal beforehand than turning to the dark side overnight. Which is very B89, when you think about it.

 

[Rory gets laid]

Now, now...

If The Joker is represented by the named characters that we expect in these excerpts, then we can make some interesting refelctions on his characterisation. Nowhere does he really appear to be a raving loon: the bank robber is certainly sadistic and sardonic, and the prisoner is provocative and sinister, but the character (if it is indeed one) could be better described as calculating than cracked.

Perhaps this marries itself more comfortably to a backstory based in mob-politics and professional criminality, rather than a tale of an ordinary man perverted by circumstance?

A bit of both, maybe?

I do think calculated is a good word to describe what I'm sure we'll see from Ledger's interpretation of the Joker...

 

[BeginsSucked]

This Joker will be horrible. Christopher Nolan doesn't have a funny bone in his body. Everything has to be emo and slowpaced! Never whimsical.

 

[Rory gets laid]

Edited.

 

[Anjow1060]

oh look, yet another n00b troll here to stir up some trouble. What else is new?