The Dark Knight TDK Casting Sides

[JL Unlimited]

Another thing about the scene with The Chief and "James" that I just realized. Why would Gordon even chase Batman? He didn't do it in Begins when the cops had Arkham surrounded and he went in alone. So why do it when only his son is around? Because he has to?? Doesn't sound like Gordon to me.

 

[$G-mOnEy$]

Its still copyright infringment b/c you don't have the distribution rights to the material. WB has the rights since they are the copyright holder.

However, its up to the copyright holder to enforce their rights. So while they may come down on infringers who post the material on forums since its much easier to track down, its unlikely they will go after IM's and emails b/c its too much trouble to track (however, this is pretty sensitive material and they are a billion dollar company so who knows).

The important thing to note is that distributing the material through any means of electronic/written communication IS copyright infringement and is illegal.

That's not really a secret. I was telling people to keep it off the boards so as they won't get caught. I doubt WB has access to your email account.

This is so patronizing it's almost insulting.

 

[kenellard]

I think we're losing sight of the fact that these sides could be from absolutely anything the Nolan's have some up with, especially since they must've been aware that these could become public, I'd say there's an extremely slim chance these scenes are/will end up in the script, or the movie itself

 

[Dirt Like Me]

The police force took a major hit from the effects of begins. We've all been focused on the fear gas affecting the crazies and making more freaks, not to mention we're just like "oh well, tons of innocents are nuts now"

We completley forgot about all the cops on the island.

Thats why the national guard was brought in. It makes perfect.........realistic...sense.

I like where your head's at. I think it's a very plausible explanation for why the National Guard is in Gotham.

But on the other hand, we also know that Fox was already trying to make more of the antidote to the fear gas, and said it would take weeks to mass-produce it. I assume that they'd hook the police up with shots once they become available. So, for that scenario to play out we'd have to be talking about a really small passage of time between BB and TDK.

Personally, I hope there's at least a few months lapse. (Rebuild Wayne Manor, get Harvey elected, let Maroni step up as a force, etc.)

Also, I was really excited by the thought that Joker had caused so much trouble that the military had to get involved.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I actually agree, kel. I think some of the ideas are true though (they mention a mall being blown up and Nolan scouted a mall in Chicago very recently as a location, plus all the waterfront scouting ties in with the ferry boats.)

 

[Miranda Fox]

Also, I was really excited by the thought that Joker had caused so much trouble that the military had to get involved.

Agreed, I like both scenarios. Bizarrely though, some people thought it was a bad idea while at the same time complaining that the Joker should be causing mayhem...I frankly don't understand that.

 

[Agentsands77]

Basically, Mayor and Gordon are talking to someone I presume is Dent. Dent ordered 800 arrests and they want to know what crack he's smoking (I'm paraphrasing.) The Mayor talks about how the public likes Dent and that's the only reason it might fly.

Cool.

BTW, I'm increasingly thinking the maniac being talked about at the radio phone-in is Scarecrow, not Joker. It fits Anjow's theory about why the national guard are there.

Well, it depends if Anjow's theory is right or not. If it is right, then the maniac is likely Scarecrow. If his theory isn't right (in which case the national guard would be brought in to deal with all the chaos that slowly evolves - escalating vigilantism and supervillain crime, and I'm sure the government isn't going to respond too well to Batman), then it's probably Joker. Time will tell.

 

[Agentsands77]

Personally, I hope there's at least a few months lapse. (Rebuild Wayne Manor, get Harvey elected, let Maroni step up as a force, etc.)

I think there has to be such a lapse to explain the plot development, which is why I'm dubious about Anjow's theory. I think the "maniac" in question is still probably the Joker.

 

[Agentsands77]

About Dent - he was mentioned in the original BB script (lines later cut) so I'm assuming he's supposed to have already been in Gotham - unless they've revised that and he was rushed in to take over from Finch.

I forgot about that... hmmm.

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

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[$G-mOnEy$]

Ok, so there is a way. But we both agree that the likelihood of them pursuing something they cannot see is extremely slim.

Keep it off the forums

 

[Anjow1060]

I think there has to be such a lapse to explain the plot development, which is why I'm dubious about Anjow's theory. I think the "maniac" in question is still probably the Joker.

Yeah but, you can't easily fill up a police force in GC in a months time. It takes training and months for that to happen. Now granted, they could transfer some detectives (Bullock / Montoya) from other areas and they could have a new force of all new cops on the street.

But this is not Utah people. This is Gotham F'n City. Stick a new cop on the streets with a whole ferry load (pun intended) of crazies running around. That's not something you know how to handle right away.

However, mass hysteria, lowered police force. Public Panic = National Gaurd all the way.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Yeah but, you can't easily fill up a police force in GC in a months time. It takes training and months for that to happen. Now granted, they could transfer some detectives (Bullock / Montoya) from other areas and they could have a new force of all new cops on the street.

But this is not Utah people. This is Gotham F'n City. Stick a new cop on the streets with a whole ferry load (pun intended) of crazies running around. That's not something you know how to handle right away.

However, mass hysteria, lowered police force. Public Panic = National Gaurd all the way.

 

[JL Unlimited]

If your scenario is right, Anjow, (and I sincerely hope it does), then that means the National Guard is in Gotham throughout TDK. Mike Engel mentions both the National Guard and Randolph being in the hospital (assuming Randolph is Dent, recently scarred), which puts this scene at the end of the movie.

Does this mean Gotham is a warzone throughout TDK?

 

[NoName86]

I seen someone on BOF mention something about the Joker speaking of Batman in one of the sides? I read one where the Joker was asking some officer how many of his friends he had killed, but I didn't see any references about Batman. Anyone know what they are talking about?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah but, you can't easily fill up a police force in GC in a months time. It takes training and months for that to happen. Now granted, they could transfer some detectives (Bullock / Montoya) from other areas and they could have a new force of all new cops on the street.

But this is not Utah people. This is Gotham F'n City. Stick a new cop on the streets with a whole ferry load (pun intended) of crazies running around. That's not something you know how to handle right away.

However, mass hysteria, lowered police force. Public Panic = National Gaurd all the way.

You do make one hell of a case.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I seen someone on BOF mention something about the Joker speaking of Batman in one of the sides? I read one where the Joker was asking some officer how many of his friends he had killed, but I didn't see any references about Batman. Anyone know what they are talking about?

Yes - in one of the sides, someone offscreen has caught one of the vigilante's dressed up as Batman. This person asks why he wants to be like Batman. Guy replies because he keeps scum/freaks like Person Offscreen off the streets.

Person Offscreen asks that he looks at his face. Guy does so and screams in horror at what he sees...and that's how the scene ends.

 

[Anjow1060]

Yes - in one of the sides, someone offscreen has caught one of the vigilante's dressed up as Batman. This person asks why he wants to be like Batman. Guy replies because he keeps scum/freaks like Person Offscreen off the streets.

Person Offscreen asks that he looks at his face. Guy does so and screams in horror at what he sees...and that's how the scene ends.

Which, incidently, someone on BOF also pointed out = that could very well be a two-face scene. Evaluating whats really good and whats evil.

Especially with the face reference.

 

[Agentsands77]

Yeah but, you can't easily fill up a police force in GC in a months time.

This is assuming that the Gotham's police force didn't recover after the Narrows incident. And considering Flass is supposedly going to be back, it seems that they might have recovered after all.

But this is not Utah people. This is Gotham F'n City. Stick a new cop on the streets with a whole ferry load (pun intended) of crazies running around. That's not something you know how to handle right away.

Well, it depends. At the end of BEGINS, Gotham seems fairly stabilized, even though the Scarecrow hasn't been caught. It doesn't seem like a war zone. I suppose it could be because the National Guard has been brought in by that time, but I'm not sure that's so clear.

However, mass hysteria, lowered police force. Public Panic = National Gaurd all the way.

True. I suppose it's more likely that the National Guard has been in Gotham from the point of the Narrows incident onwards, but it just depends.

I think it's clear that the radio station conversation takes place later in the film rather than earlier. The mayor talking about the National Guard seems like it was a more recent development, so that's why I tend to think they came in later than immediately following the Narrows.

Does this mean Gotham is a warzone throughout TDK?

It's possible.

 

[Agentsands77]

Which, incidently, someone on BOF also pointed out = that could very well be a two-face scene. Evaluating whats really good and whats evil.

Especially with the face reference.

Great point.

 

[Anjow1060]

Great point.

That's not the 1/2 of it.

I'm still of the mind that the Ferry plot, while sick and depraved as Joker is, is a two-face plot. Good ferry, Bad ferry = fate decides which one lives and which one doesn't.

 

[Agentsands77]

That's not the 1/2 of it.

I'm still of the mind that the Ferry plot, while sick and depraved as Joker is, is a two-face plot. Good ferry, Bad ferry = fate decides which one lives and which one doesn't.

Well, maybe. It could go either way. It would be an unusual plot for Two-Face, who typically doesn't go about just killing people - he's a robbery sort of guy. Because of its innate sadism and intent on murdering people, I think it's the Joker.

 

[Katsuro]

I hope the ferry thing isn't Two-Face. It's more of a Batman Forever-type Two-Face thing than a TLH-inspired Two-Face thing, which is what I hope they're going for.

The Two-Face I like doesn't do random crimes like that. He's out for revenge. He's a Batman who's willing to steal and kill to see that "justice" is served. He wants revenge against the criminals to not only ruined his face, but made his life hell before that. Harvey Dent wasn't willing to push the boundaries of the law, but Two-Face is.

Joker's the one who's commiting crimes for the fun of it. It's like SAW but without the moral message.

 

[Anjow1060]

Yeah, but think of it in terms of 2. In some comics, 2F has just the evil side and a good side. And the coin determines which one wins. So if the good side wants to kill a bunch of criminals about to escape justice from sneaking out on a Ferry, and he has the oppertunity to kill them or not, the evil side of him would see it as unfair and would want to kill some good people instead.

I'm kinda against the whole "robbing 2 million dollars from the 2nd bank of gotham on the 2nd anniversary of the day bats captured him" the number two isn't a big a deal to me as is the Good VS Evil theme. Drawing the line between the two.

 

[NoName86]

Oh man, I'm just loving this. This all really sounds so well.

"What do you remember?"

"His smile"

Classic!

Anyways, how anyone thought that perhaps the ferry situation (assuming it is at the end of the movie) could just be Joker's attempt to draw Batman there, in which you'll have a showdown between the two?

Sounds like a pretty weak guess, I know, but like so many folks it really is hard to envision that, after doing all the other stuff in the script, the Joker's finale would be to blow up some boats. Unless of course it either A) has something in it, perhaps a trap even OR B)a small part to something bigger going down. That's why I imagine it is some sort of trap for Batman.