The Amazing Spider-Man TDK is the REAL reason for the reboot

Contemporary (adj):
- Of the present time ; modern

Gritty (adj):
- resolute and courageous

Here are some synonyms of "gritty:"

courageous, determined, dogged, game, hardy, mettlesome, plucky, resolute, spirited, steadfast, tenacious, tough.

Does that sound "dark" to you? Because if words like resolute, spirited, and courageous sound "dark" to you, then you, my friend, are very pessimistic.
 
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That's how I was looking at it. Indiana Jones is gritty, but I wouldn't call them dark movies. (Well, TOD, but I'm talking about the first one in this example).

However, the use of gritty does frighten me a bit, but as long as they don't try to make it dark I'll be fine. The only thing I want them to take from TDK is the faithfulness to the characters and the well-crafted storytelling.

After that, the next screenwriter needs to sit down and watch both seasons of SSM. And take notes. LOTS of notes.
 
I have to agree to some level that TDK is what caused the reboot.

I mean, after the people at Sony watched TDK, they were probably like, "Did you see the Joker?! We had Venom in Spidey 3 and the Joker would probably beat his ***!"

Plus, just the size and scope of TDK. Epic!

And of coarse, Sony opting to change Spider-Man to be more 'darker and gritty.' Everyone sees that one.
 
Plus, just the size and scope of TDK. Epic!

that doesn't bother me one bit. I lalways see spidey pics as small and personal.

'the friendly neighbourhood spider-man'

I enjoyed the heck out of TDK (I thought BB was horribly overrated) but then I enjoyed the heck out of SM2. spidey doesn't HAVE to be dark, I only want spidey to be dark if the story necessitates it (lizard) but because TDK did it.
 
that doesn't bother me one bit. I lalways see spidey pics as small and personal.

'the friendly neighbourhood spider-man'

I enjoyed the heck out of TDK (I thought BB was horribly overrated) but then I enjoyed the heck out of SM2. spidey doesn't HAVE to be dark, I only want spidey to be dark if the story necessitates it (lizard) but because TDK did it.

Yeah, but in today's world of movies, the bigger the movie, the bigger the money.

And Spider-Man is a city protector. He isn't going to be webslinging through a five-block radius. He is all over New York.
 
Well if they are taking Spidey in the same direction as the Nolanverse Batman, we probably won't see the more fantastical villians such as The Lizard or Sandman since I thought the whole point of the Batman reboot was to make it more realistic and ground it in reality.

Of course I don't know how realistic a teen-ager gaining super-powers from a radioactive spider is, but we'd probably see villians like Kingpin, Kraven, and Black Cat; characters that don't stretch the real world credibility that much.
 
Well if they are taking Spidey in the same direction as the Nolanverse Batman, we probably won't see the more fantastical villians such as The Lizard or Sandman since I thought the whole point of the Batman reboot was to make it more realistic and ground it in reality.

Of course I don't know how realistic a teen-ager gaining super-powers from a radioactive spider is, but we'd probably see villians like Kingpin, Kraven, and Black Cat; characters that don't stretch the real world credibility that much.

People are so literal sometimes. I think it's based on tone and scope than anything else.
 
I think this More "gritty" or "contemporary" theme from Sony...means nothing else then that we will see more Adult Storylines and dialog in the next Spidey Movies and this doesn´t mean that we won´t get fantasy and villans like the Lizard or Sandman etc.
Raimis Movies felt sometimes like they where written by a 5 years old,and he never changed the formula it´s like you are watching three times the same Movie,just with different villans.
 
Can someone go back in time & like kill Christopher Nolan before he was hired as the Batman Begins director so that fans don't post or say this type of thing when ever something is rebooted ? I would happily sacrifice Christopher Nolan if it means this type of thing never happens
 
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I think this More "gritty" or "contemporary" theme from Sony...means nothing else then that we will see more Adult Storylines and dialog in the next Spidey Movies and this doesn´t mean that we won´t get fantasy and villans like the Lizard or Sandman etc.
Raimis Movies felt sometimes like they where written by a 5 years old,and he never changed the formula it´s like you are watching three times the same Movie,just with different villans.


I agree. I think the gritty and more contemporary implies more serious adult oriented storylines, as opposed to watering down some of the storylines.

I would think, and hope, that we will not get the "take you out of the moment" scenes like we did at times with Raimi also. But, that is more just about Raimi's style, than the more serious storylines.

As bad as the damn team-ups in the finale of SM3 was, it paled in comparison to the Jonah buying the camera from the girl moment, the film is exxxxxtra, and the damn announcer at the scene.

SHEEESH :rolleyes:
 
I agree. I think the gritty and more contemporary implies more serious adult oriented storylines, as opposed to watering down some of the storylines.

I would think, and hope, that we will not get the "take you out of the moment" scenes like we did at times with Raimi also. But, that is more just about Raimi's style, than the more serious storylines.

As bad as the damn team-ups in the finale of SM3 was, it paled in comparison to the Jonah buying the camera from the girl moment, the film is exxxxxtra, and the damn announcer at the scene.


SHEEESH :rolleyes:

I'm sorry that those, what...23 minutes of footage altogether were THAT painful. you poor thing.:doh:
 
yes...because replying to you on a superhero forum = stalker.

No, when you make such a STUPID post in reply to mine, repeatedly, makes you a stalker. But it's cool to have a following. But you'll forgive me if I do not introduce you to my firends.. or heck .. Anyone. :yay:
 
No, when you make such a STUPID post in reply to mine, repeatedly, makes you a stalker. But it's cool to have a following. But you'll forgive me if I do not introduce you to my firends.. or heck .. Anyone. :yay:

oh god, you're making fun of me on in the internet!!


dude....noone cares.
 
I have to agree to some level that TDK is what caused the reboot.

I mean, after the people at Sony watched TDK, they were probably like, "Did you see the Joker?! We had Venom in Spidey 3 and the Joker would probably beat his ***!"

Plus, just the size and scope of TDK. Epic!

And of coarse, Sony opting to change Spider-Man to be more 'darker and gritty.' Everyone sees that one.
So true. Spidey is a lighter character than Batman. That's the way he's always been, even though we did have dark stories in the SPidey universe.
 
oh god, you're making fun of me on in the internet!!


dude....noone cares.

I could point you back to the original post that started this last fetish you have with me, but like most everything else with you, that would go over your head too.

Plus, you make it Sooooo Easy.

But, for the sake of the thread, how about trying to debate the comment instead of making a piss poor comment that "I'm sorry that those, what...23 minutes of footage altogether were THAT painful. you poor thing."

You'll forgive me if I do NOT hold my breath waiting on that from you though. :woot:
 
if there's anyone I have bones to pick with here, your definitely right at the bottom of the list. DACMAN comes to mind as the first. get off your high horse, you're posting in a superhero forum....you're no better than any one of us.
 
if there's anyone I have bones to pick with here, your definitely right at the bottom of the list. DACMAN comes to mind as the first.

Says the poster that went out of his way to quote my post and reply with a childish retort (only 3 minutes later) that had no merit of argument about the post? Or the poster that has replied in past to my posts with only insults?

Yeah, I understand. :rolleyes:
 
This dick-measuring contest sure is fun to read :awesome:.
 
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The studio realized that they made a huge mistake by wasting all their top villains and top stories by cramming everything in the first three movies.This time they have a clean slate to spread them all out.
 
Nolan's Batman films have been over rated enough as they are, they really don't need to be brought into every comic book movie discussion just for the sake of stroking it's ego even more than it already has.
 
Nolan's Batman films have been over rated enough as they are, they really don't need to be brought into every comic book movie discussion just for the sake of stroking it's ego even more than it already has.

Nobody is stroking it's ego, I don't even know where you got that from. We're talking facts, and the fact is, Superman & Spiderman, two of the lightest, brightest superheroes there are, were both brought up in conjunction with TDK when discussion of their new direction took place, in some way, shape or form.

This has nothing to do with TDK and personal feelings about it, the fact is that it was a huge movie that made billions of dollars and overtook Spiderman as the premier flagship superhero property, at least right now. To think that Sony would have took a new Spiderman in a gritty direction without the existence of TDK's success is just naive, I even question if they would have rebooted the series in that situation, given that SM3 was financially successful.

Everybody keeps bringing up that Raimi was finished after 4 and would have left anyway, so if that is the case, why would a reboot be a prerequisite? Plenty of directors left movie series and they continued without them, especially when they were successful, and no comic series has been more successful than Raimi's Spiderman. Different cast, different directors, different stories and different tone don't mean you have to reboot the whole series and rewrite what's come before, unless you plan on drastic changes. Personally, I can welcome a bunch of those changes, but one thing I'm worried about is making the film too dreary and not fun enough for a flick with a wall crawling teen in it.

Plenty of other people have the same concerns, it's not like this is some crazy concept only a handful of people are worried about. If they announce right now that the next Batman movie won't have Bale or Nolan and it will be lighter, and more upbeat, this whole website would explode in outrage. But the dichotomy is that in reality, a light Batman isn't nearly as foreign to his comics as a gritty Spiderman is.

Furthermore, a whole lot of this comes down to fanboys finding some kind of weird pleasure in the fact that a comic movie can and should be looked upon as high art now by the general public, like it matters, almost like calling a comic a "graphic novel" makes it something more. Some things in comics are inherently silly, and you can't do anything about it, treating it "more mature" somehow shouldn't make you feel better about it, and it shouldn't validate it, if you grew up reading these stories that's validation enough. Spiderman at his core is for kids, with themes that adults can enjoy too. His whole coming of age speaks to teenage angst and awkwardness, and it's that emotional core that kids relate to, and that adults remember. There's really nothing gritty about it, it's just classic storytelling, and it works fine just like that, it's already been proven...
 
Oh and for the dictionary people out there, you guys conveniently left some adjectives out when it comes to gritty:

realistic, hard-hitting, unsentimental, unromantic :cwink:
 

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