Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Schlosser85]

Speaking of John has there been any word at all if he’s in this film?

Supposedly they got a body double who’s going to have 1991 Edward Furlong’s face CGI’ed onto him for a flashback. Other than that, nothing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Supposedly they got a body double who’s going to have 1991 Edward Furlong’s face CGI’ed onto him for a flashback. Other than that, nothing.

My hope would be that they have us thinking he is dead the entire film, and then the final scene, he is there and alive. If that isn't the case... well yeah.

 

[jmc]

Thinking about this this morning, it just seems to me that there really wasn't a path after T2 that could have produced a satisfying continuation. T2 ends in a way where it's a bit ambiguous as to whether Judgement Day was actually prevented or not. There was nothing really left over in that film that warranted a third film. In T1 there was, the scraps of the T800 was the reason T2 took place.

 

[Sithborg]

Ah man it’s one of those ones huh? My buddy has a copy of it. Maybe I should borrow it order myself a pizza, grab some beer and enjoy the awfulness.

The time jump sequence is one of the most unintentually hilarious scenes I have ever seen.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Id take the franchise far far into the future (thousands of years) to a time when the earth is completely covered in AI machines and a fully functional AI civilization. At some point humans and machines came to a peace and the machines helped humans settle another planet as repayment for the genocide. For a thousand years both civilizations have lived in peace. Then a war is sparked by dissident factions. Then we've got an interplanetary war between the machines and the humans.

Or reboot it without the Connors and Arnold. Maybe flip it on its head and make AI's the sympathetic oppressed group and the humans the antagonists and oppressors.

 

[Broseph44]

The time jump sequence is one of the most unintentually hilarious scenes I have ever seen.

I gotta watch this ****

 

[Breogan]

Thanks for correction. Where did you get that he can extend itself into other metals? I don't see anything on multiplying. Only that he can separate liquid part from the endoskeleton.

Through the metal creates double, ...

Then after the crash there are still two.
One approaching center the other top right...

 

[jmc]

There really wasn't anywhere to go after the T1000.

 

[Prettyricky]

There really wasn't anywhere to go after the T1000.

Like I posted earlier cameron started this franchise on a dead end street and they got lucky with T2 but the 3 sequels after are just more harsh truth how little you can expand this franchise. What we have at the end of the day is:

Sarah connor
John connor
Kyle reese
Someone sent back in time to protect
Someone sent back in time to terminate
Skynet
Judgement day

You cant expand beyond that.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Through the metal creates double, ...

Then after the crash there are still two.
One approaching center the other top right...

He doesn't create through the metal. Rev9 is nailed to the seat with 3 metal bars. So he dejects the liquid part and leaves the endoskeleton to control the vehicle because he also can't move. It's splitting, which was confirmed long time ago. He doesn't copy himself. Liquid part (which forms appearance) and the endoskeleton can act separately. And that's what happens here.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I liked the trailer but the song that was a chosen was awful.

 

[Mysteryman]

The Song kept talking about going hunting and I kept thinking,"If they don't market this film correctly, when it is released, people might go hunting...for another movie"

 

[jmc]

Like I posted earlier cameron started this franchise on a dead end street and they got lucky with T2 but the 3 sequels after are just more harsh truth how little you can expand this franchise. What we have at the end of the day is:

Sarah connor
John connor
Kyle reese
Someone sent back in time to protect
Someone sent back in time to terminate
Skynet
Judgement day

You cant expand beyond that.

100% Correct. If the time loop is fixed then no amount of sequels is going to do anything but repeat the same concepts again and again. Either Judgement Day is inevitable, or it's preventable, but either one gets you to the exact same place - little room to expand upon.

 

[Filmfan93]

Not impressed by the trailer. For a film that's meant to be a direct sequel to T2, it doesn't really carry either the style or soul of it. It looks more like another Genisys.

The song was also really bad (where are the signature drums, at least over the title logo?). And the CGI needs some improvement.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Not a great trailer unfortunately. Barely any Arnie. Linda Hamilton looks great but the plot looks stale and CGI was pretty bad even for trailer level

 

[Maximus 36]

Not impressed by the trailer. For a film that's meant to be a direct sequel to T2, it doesn't really carry either the style or soul of it. It looks more like another Genisys.

Could not agree more.

Was really hoping this trailer would have given me a glimpse of the same style, atmosphere, cinematography, music, sense of dread...ANYthing that reminded me of the first 2 movies. I felt none of that.

 

[samsnee]

Yeap, they could have made this look like a throwback 90s movie with real action and sets. They blew up a REAL building in T2. Instead we get dark CGI planes and cheesy slo-motion to show how cool a character looks.

 

[samsnee]

Thinking about this this morning, it just seems to me that there really wasn't a path after T2 that could have produced a satisfying continuation. T2 ends in a way where it's a bit ambiguous as to whether Judgement Day was actually prevented or not. There was nothing really left over in that film that warranted a third film. In T1 there was, the scraps of the T800 was the reason T2 took place.

I actually thought T3 had a good take on exploring John being depressed about his life. And the ending was actually surprising and bold for a big franchise. The execution and introduction of the T-x were just bad.

 

[-JKR-]

Yeap, they could have made this look like a throwback 90s movie with real action and sets. They blew up a REAL building in T2. Instead we get dark CGI planes and cheesy slo-motion to show how cool a character looks.

Yeah, but they're not TRYING to make a throwback to 1990s movies. The plan has always been to update the franchise. And also, there is plenty of practical action and stunts in the teaser trailer.

 

[Greens]

Yeah, but they're not TRYING to make a throwback to 1990s movies. The plan has always been to update the franchise. And also, there is plenty of practical action and stunts in the teaser trailer.

Updating the franchise by downgrading the quality?

 

[-JKR-]

We'll see about that.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Supposedly they got a body double who’s going to have 1991 Edward Furlong’s face CGI’ed onto him for a flashback. Other than that, nothing.

They should use Deepfake

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean I wasn't moved by the trailer in either way, but I thinking saying this looks like Genysis is just wild.
From the first teaser of Genysis, and especially the first theatrical trailer, you could see the bad acting, miscasting, and that it was tonally different than the rest of the series. It was clear someone was trying to emulate a modern blockbuster than a Terminator movie.

Now Dark Fate does have some problems, but I don't think it was as egregious as TG

 

[elgaz]

Trailer didn't do it for me for a variety of reasons. I really didn't like how they reintroduced Sarah Connor - she steps out of a vehicle, fires at an oncoming Terminator and then proceeds to bring out a rocket launcher type weapon, which she fires. And she does all this whilst pretty much totally emotionless, like it's a breeze, a walk in the park.

Where's the vulnerability and fear that always made her character compelling? Even the hardened, jaded and paranoid Sarah Connor from T2 was still absolutely terrified when that lift door in the hospital opened and the T800 stepped out. This one looks like she does stuff like this in her sleep.

I know it's only one scene but my worry is that this will extend throughout the movie, and they'll focus more on 'cool' action shots like this than actual character work. If the Terminators are emotionless killing machines, then the humans have to have emotion and reactions to counter that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I see things went off course for a few pages and in all the bickering lots of you got away with spelling Connor incorrectly.

I like slo-mo when it's used well. It seems present day Hollywood forgot how to use it. I watched recently Hard Target and I really like how speed alternates through action scenes, it gives you time to process it, properly highlights moments, be it a focus on some detail, suspense or smack in a mug. But in TDF it looked like they needed to capture a dynamic pose. A beautiful frame. I hate it in superhero films, and it felt even more out of place in a Terminator film.

I'm still looking forward to the story in this one. After all 5 writers probably cooked up something worth keeping an eye. But superhero aesthetic is underwhelming to say the least. Based on the teaser.

Fair enough, I've long since accepted things have changed from the movies I grew up with as a kid, some of it for the better, much of it not, especially in the action genre where editing in particular ruins many sequences I find, that's my bugbear like slow-mo is for you, I hate how often sequences are cut so rapidly that I can't see what is happening compared to how crisply and cleanly films like Die Hard and Robocop were edited, with longer shots, and also a cleaner sense of geography in the sequences, where often now between the quick cuts, overdone CGI elements and the amount of bodies crammed into a sequence, you are taken out of it as it's a bit of a blur. There are films of course like Fury Road, the recent Mission Impossible films, the John Wick series and the Russos work, especially The Winter Soldier, that I feel marry the best of my era with the best of the technological advancements of the current era.

Another problem with the teaser: 2 minutes of footage where heroes kick a terminator's ass... Grace is more fearsome than the threat. Who's idea was that???

Yes, the complete opposite of what made the original T-800 and T-1000 so effective, they felt unstoppable and deadly.

Except apparently it is rather linear. We were reading that in this very thread. And why are they even doing the same basic premise from what, 5 other films? Why?

Same reason as last years Halloween, with these franchises that many would argue should have stayed in their era, fanboys always hanker for a return to the past, to what they first loved, Miller is such a fanboy and wants to recreate what he loved, to bring the franchise back to it's roots, however the saying goes lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place, so perhaps this approach and mindset is folly.