Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[terry78]

I guess it would be pretty ****ing expensive to have it as a whole movie as opposed to a prologue or vision.

 

[henzINNIT]

The world is a junkyard in Cameron's future. You could film that cheaply if you're smart about it. Whether there is decent story to tell is more the argument for me, but I agree it is pretty strange that for all of the attempts to revive the brand, an all out future war film rarely seems to be the path taken.

 

[Zorro]

Maybe next film after this

 

[DyeLorean]

The idea of setting the story in the future defies what the Terminator is all about. They might
aswell just call it differently and make an original movie about a war between humans and machines. No need to have it tied to Terminator, just don't mess with it anymore, it's done.

 

[Zorro]

Nah, still connected and terminator. An original film would be seen as a rip off of T1 and 2's future

 

[Deck Rickard]

Salvation was poor because they didn’t portray the future war we wanted to see (ie T2 opening). Instead we got.. boring desert.

I think it’s more than that. I mean yeah, it would have been cool to see a whole movie of machines just decimating humans on a battlefield littered with human skulls, but I think the bigger problems with than movie were giving John Connor nothing interesting to do and focusing half the movie on a boring new character that no one cared about.

 

[Deck Rickard]

The idea of setting the story in the future defies what the Terminator is all about. They might
aswell just call it differently and make an original movie about a war between humans and machines. No need to have it tied to Terminator, just don't mess with it anymore, it's done.

I’m not sure I follow you. That post-apocalyptic future IS part of the story. On one hand, if Sarah and John were successful in T2 then yeah, that future never would have come to pass but if they weren’t, then it does. So if it’s the latter, then why would a movie set in that future defy what Terminator is all about? Why does every movie have to follow the played out “send a robot back to kill a Connor and then send someone back to stop the robot” plot point?

 

[DyeLorean]

I’m not sure I follow you. That post-apocalyptic future IS part of the story. On one hand, if Sarah and John were successful in T2 then yeah, that future never would have come to pass but if they weren’t, then it does. So if it’s the latter, then why would a movie set in that future defy what Terminator is all about? Why does every movie have to follow the played out “send a robot back to kill a Connor and then send someone back to stop the robot” plot point?

Because I feel like the future war was a mystery in at least the first three films that made the entire thing much more compelling. Granted, Salvation was at least different, but Genisys showed that the war came from... an app?? It took away any mystery, any darkness that was percolating in what Cameron did. The unknown is what made the first two movies so exciting, at least for me. So having Terminator being set in the future is just too removed from the initial idea.
I would receive with open arms a really good Terminator movie without the usual story beats, but at this point I'm not holding my breath.

 

[henzINNIT]

There have been no stakes in the future war since the original. Humanity wins. That's why Skynet resorted to time travel. You could surely manufacture a story for it that is better than Genisys though.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Because I feel like the future war was a mystery in at least the first three films that made the entire thing much more compelling. Granted, Salvation was at least different, but Genisys showed that the war came from... an app?? It took away any mystery, any darkness that was percolating in what Cameron did. The unknown is what made the first two movies so exciting, at least for me. So having Terminator being set in the future is just too removed from the initial idea.
I would receive with open arms a really good Terminator movie without the usual story beats, but at this point I'm not holding my breath.

Well yeah, Genisys ruined pretty much everything about everything but I don't think the apocalypse we saw in any of the previous films was intended to begin with an app, lol. I can kind of see where you're coming from but they kinda explained how it happened in the first two movies though, about Skynet going live and all that so I feel like there wasn't all that much of a mystery. The later films just kept thinking up dumb new ways for it to keep happening since they did everything they needed to do to stop it in T2.

 

[DyeLorean]

Well yeah, Genisys ruined pretty much everything about everything but I don't think the apocalypse we saw in any of the previous films was intended to begin with an app, lol. I can kind of see where you're coming from but they kinda explained how it happened in the first two movies though, about Skynet going live and all that so I feel like there wasn't all that much of a mystery. The later films just kept thinking up dumb new ways for it to keep happening since they did everything they needed to do to stop it in T2.

Right yes, they explained stuff about Skynet going live, and they show you brief glimpses of the future, but you could at least fill in the blanks in your mind. There was an element of unknown. That's the part that was a bit scary to me when I saw the first two movies.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The app thing made it feel clumsily current. Like a late Boomer/Early Gen Xer wagging a finger at us Millennials and our tech obsession.

 

[8ulk87]

The Terminator - 9.5

Terminator 2: Judgement Day - 10/10

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines - 7/10

Terminator: Salvation- 7.5/10

Terminator: Genisys - 5/10

T1 & T2 are 10/10 classic legends.
The other 3 are crap even though somewhat enjoyable and i cant say any one of them is even slightly better than the other 2.

Makes sense but eh. He should have just waited after finishing the Avatar sequels to direct a new Terminator film or something

Well, if everything goes according to plan Avatar 5 comes 2027, so... that would be quite a wait.

Honestly, personally I think he might resign from filmmaking after those movies, whether they are successful or not.

Cameron is not directing another Terminator movie ever again. He is not that dumb.

He’s gone on record that he’s been done with the Terminator franchise after the second.

The only reason he’s contributing now is cause they screwed it up so many times, that he’s like, alright since the purity of it doesn’t matter anymore, here’s where you can go.

But I don’t think directing another one presents any challenges or interests for him anymore.

I think he doesnt want to take the risk after having the 2 best Terminator movies. Why would he do that ?

Producing is a win win for him. If its good he wins , if its crap the Director takes the blame.
Genius.


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Based on the trailers and the previous track record im expecting this Dark Fate to suck bad.

The franchise is dead and obsolete. They need to stop beating a dead worse and move on to something new.

 

[Mysteryman]

Trailer Track.com is reporting that a 5 minute preview of Dark Fate is going to be attached to IMAX screenings of Joker next week.
They speculate that it could be the footage from SDCC or a behind the scenes look at the film.
I am probably going to wait. But, it is highly encouraging that the studio is choosing to hype film this way.

 

[Nardz937]

 

[Zorro]

Barely any new footage but still cool because of Arnold shooting. There is a cool shot of the new terminator that I really like though

 

[Nardz937]

 

[Zorro]

That was alright. Fun at least

 

[Da-Scribe]

I wish there was more footage of the Rev 9 tearing things up instead of just getting torn up lol.

 

[DyeLorean]

It is usually not a good sign when they start releasing full scenes from a movie.

 

[-JKR-]

Tell that to "Baby Driver".

 

[James.B]

 

[DyeLorean]

Tell that to "Baby Driver".

Well I did say "usually" and not "always".

 

[Lasirius]

That footage on the freeway is better paced and executed than how it was on the first trailer.

 

[StarLord]

I like the look of those scenes at the beginning. Not as glossy as it appears in the first two trailers.