Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[Schlosser85]

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John Connor

and Thomas/Martha Wayne is a pretty bad comparison, considering the Waynes have basically always been dead.

 

[GothamAlleys]

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John Connor

and Thomas/Martha Wayne is a pretty bad comparison, considering the Waynes have basically always been dead.

Maybe. Or perhaps this comparison came to mind because I knew what will happen for such a long time. At first I didnt believe the rumors are true at all but gradually in the course of months I started to believe and learned to accept it I guess

 

[terry78]

I will say even though it's become old hat for most movies now,

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the de-aging of Hamilton and the CG of young Furlong were pretty spot on. It really could have been from the 1991 flick.

 

[Mysteryman]

I will say even though it's become old hat for most movies now,

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the de-aging of Hamilton and the CG of young Furlong were pretty spot on. It really could have been from the 1991 flick.

I agree.

 

[PhasedPlasma101]

This is going to be one giant spoiler response.

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James Bond is a terrible example unless you mean how many actors played the character. John Conner does not exist in the first movie except as a cameo lasting literally like 5 seconds. He had a big part of the sequels up to this point.

They changed James Bond into Jane Bond. Big whoop. They gender changed to a she and took away Skynet and replaced it with Legion. Otherwise the story is the same. And every movie since Terminator 2 is essentially the same thing. Terminators from the future and a protector come to save someone from the past. T2 did the same thing. So did T3. Salvation took place in the future and was a wash. Genisys was an abomination of Terminators 1-3.

Again, John is a MacGuffin in Terminator. He's the reason everything happens, he is not the story. Sarah is. This movie takes Sarah and refocuses it on her new adopted child.

Now if they make a sequel to this and it continues without Sarah, that still won't be a big change (see T3 and Salvation) but it might move the story forward somewhere different than before that doesn't suck.

As to "core audience fans" being exclusive to those like you who hate it? And any who actually enjoyed it are not "core audience fans"? That is your problem, not mine. I have been a fan of these movies since the first one in the 1980's. And I am going to take a guess that is longer than you have been alive.

Don't come at me with this bull**** only fans who agree with you are acceptable. You can hate it. Clearly you do. I didn't. Did I go and call you a fake fan? Did I say your opinion was worthless and held no meaning? That would only apply if you hated it for a certain reason that had absolutely nothing to do with the story.

Well, at least you are consistent in the dismissal of pop cultural impact. I wasn't even intending to mean any fan who liked this movie didn't mattered or anything. I never once said nobody else's opinion matters, just find your take somewhat laughable is all. I'm saying, most of the core fanbase love the franchise for more than just cool action/sci-fi. The story was protecting John. He was in fact a human McGuffin but becomes much more than that. He is the savior of mankind and all, obviously his story is fairly hard to overlook.

 

[Lasirius]

Just came back from it, it was serviceable enough. The only reason

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they killed off John is because they couldn't make a movie where they are all de-aged for 2+ hours, otherwise they would've done it. So I'm not surprised they took that route.

I don't consider myself as a hardconre Terminator fan but grew up watching these movies. This is a bit more composed than what we've gotten after T2; never bothered with Genesys. Dragged a bit at times, caught mind wandering more than once. Could've been a bit more trimmed and a little less visual-effects-extravaganza; specifically after they take that plane.

6.5/10

 

[terry78]

With Cameron's full attention they could have but we all know where his mind is at.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, at least you are consistent in the dismissal of pop cultural impact. I wasn't even intending to mean any fan who liked this movie didn't mattered or anything. I never once said nobody else's opinion matters, just find your take somewhat laughable is all. I'm saying, most of the core fanbase love the franchise for more than just cool action/sci-fi. The story was protecting John. He was in fact a human McGuffin but becomes much more than that. He is the savior of mankind and all, obviously his story is fairly hard to overlook.

Yep. The first film was about John without John being there. There is this inherent promise in the first two films around John, where one day he will be the leader we need him to be. It is the basis of the mythos.

 

[Schlosser85]

It really renders the first two movies pointless and meaningless. They accomplished nothing.

That is, if you take anything Post-T2 as canon, which I don’t.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It really renders the first two movies pointless and meaningless. They accomplished nothing.

That is, if you take anything Post-T2 as canon, which I don’t.

Eh, I don't entirely agree. In regards to DF, I agree. But in T3, yes Judgment Day happens, but John is positioned to be the man he was destined to be, which leads to the eventual defeat of the machines. So even if they don't prevent JD entirely, we still do win eventually. That's an achievement IMO. That's one area where I prefer T3

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It really renders the first two movies pointless and meaningless. They accomplished nothing.

That is, if you take anything Post-T2 as canon, which I don’t.

It is crazy. The movie I am suppose to accept as the continuation of two of my favorite films is the one that says they don't matter. What...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh, I don't entirely agree. In regards to DF, I agree. But in T3, yes Judgment Day happens, but John is positioned to be the man he was destined to be, which leads to the eventual defeat of the machines. So even if they don't prevent JD entirely, we still do win eventually. That's an achievement IMO. That's one area where I prefer T3

The premise for T3 is sound, but they lose me on the changing of Judgement Day. Well that and I just think it isn't a good movie but yeah.

 

[Willi Berg]

Just came back from it, it was serviceable enough. The only reason

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they killed off John is because they couldn't make a movie where they are all de-aged for 2+ hours, otherwise they would've done it. So I'm not surprised they took that route.

They could've had

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an older John Connor still alive with Sarah (Maybe even getting Edward Furlong back if they really wanted.) But they wanted to change the future leader of the resistance to be female and Mexican. To have a whole new angle on everything. A new future. Maybe because the other sequels already used an older John Connor. It could've been interesting seeing an older Edward Furlong though!

They could've made a true continuation of the story of T2 but they wanted to wipe the slate clean.

 

[eon001]

They could've had

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an older John Connor still alive with Sarah (Maybe even getting Edward Furlong back if they really wanted.) But they wanted to change the future leader of the resistance to be female and Mexican. To have a whole new angle on everything. A new future. Maybe because the other sequels already used an older John Connor. It could've been interesting seeing an older Edward Furlong though!

They could've made a true continuation of the story of T2 but they wanted to wipe the slate clean.

Yea I was thinking the same thing.

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Sarah said she's spent her life hunting Terminators. Why not make it a family affair and have her AND John hunting Terminators together that a sent back to kill Johns generals like in T3. Dani Ramos could have been one of the generals. Heck they could even have another re-programmed Arnie model as part of the Terminator hunting team. How cool would it be to have Furlong, Hamilton and Arnie rolling together in a van hunting robot killing machines.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

As much as I didn't like what they did with John Connor in this movie I honestly did enjoy it for the most part. I thought the action sequences were actually really well done when it wasn't just a bunch over the top CGI crap flying across the screen. Linda Hamilton was great here too, and I actually really liked what they did with Arnie even though some of the most interesting aspects about his character happend off screen. In all seriousness I really do wish we could have just gotten a movie with those two forming some kind of an alliance and hunting Terminators together rather than all the other crap we got with these new characters, because its all just weak sauce anyways.

I found nothing about Danni or Grace to be all that memorable, although I will say that Mackenzie Davis's physicality in the action sequences was pretty impressive to watch. I still didn't find her character very likable though, and please don't even get me started on all the stuff with Danni which felt so unearned IMO. This whole alternate timeline/ realities thing is such a complete mess in this franchise now that's its kind of hard for me to even get mad at certain stuff anymore, but they could at least put some effort into making these movies more coherent. They can also keep trying as much they want, but they ain't ever topping Robert Patrick's T-1000 no matter how much visually cool looking **** they come up with. Gabriel Luna was just there for me as the new Terminator in this, but I did like his endoskeleton design. There was way too much CGI jumping and hoping around for me with his character though.

7/10

 

[LoganGambit87]

this franchise really makes me scratch my head instead of doing what the fans have wanted to see since T2 they keep on making stupid changes film by film

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

This was a flaming pile of ****. Its not as incompetent as Genesys, but it's just as bad as a Terminator movie for other reasons. 4/10.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

 

[Lily Adler]

I blame Genisys!

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well-deserved.

 

[terry78]

Well, looks like Frozen will pick up the November slack yet again.

 

[Schlosser85]

It’s Skynet—-or Legion, as I guess we’re calling the “new” totally-not-Skynet—-hacking itself into Rotten Tomatoes!

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

It's time for Hollywood to just let go of the Terminator franchise.

 

[James.B]