Terminator: Genisys - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

Why a Trilogy Was Planned Before Making ‘Terminator Genisys;’ How Will the Terminator TV Series Connect?

Uh, the Star Wars trilogy was not written out beforehand.

 

[Lencho01]

Uh, the Star Wars trilogy was not written out beforehand.

Right?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Right?

Yep. The original Empire script doesn't even show Vader as Luke's father. Anakin Skywalker is another character, who Luke meets. And Luke spent the entire film lusting after Leia, and Vader even teased him about it.

It seems like they are already making up their excuses. Like the reason this movie sucks is because it is setting up other movies. That isn't how it works.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I've seen Sabotage, The Last Stand, Escape Plan, The Expendables films and Maggie.

None of these movies Arnold has done since coming back to acting are that great. Most of those films are good but not exactly films that garner any accolades from anyone.

Actors go in and out of fashion. The fact you were a big draw leading man twenty years ago doesn't guarantee you still be today.

Arnie literally passed the torch to Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson in The Rundown as the next big muscle bound leading man.

I think King Conan has the potential to be his big comeback if they get it right. The fantasy genre has been extremely successful with things like Game Of Thrones and The Middle Earth films.

I don't see Universal movie forward with King Conan. It'll never get made unless this film is a big hit, which I don't think it will be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Arnold just isn't appealing to people who didn't grow up with him, and most of those people have other, younger version to have fun with. I don't think the Fast series is even good, but it fills that need and is relevant to more people. A lot more people.

 

[Marvolo]

Arnold just isn't appealing to people who didn't grow up with him, and most of those people have other, younger version to have fun with. I don't think the Fast series is even good, but it fills that need and is relevant to more people. A lot more people.

The Rock for instance.

 

[Val_Zod]

Does Cameron obtain royalties through the film? If so that would explain why he was singing it's praises.

 

[Jay Beezy]

How does this qualify as a real review? It's been added to RT:

http://www.nerdreport.com/2015/06/26/terminator-genisys-review-the-franchise-fred-chronicles/

 

[SpitCurl]

Yup, and I'm sure if all the cynical fanboys out there had just banded together and made a stand, they could have stopped it too!

And, my point was a movie like Jurassic World doesn't become a huge sensation without doing something right. Bash it all you want, but a lot of people- both casual and hardcore movie fans got a lot of enjoyment out of that movie. Word-of-mouth propelled that movie to break records.

This Terminator situation is a lot different. There is less hype, the reviews have been far less kind and honestly, I think the prospect of a 68 year old leading a huge action film is just not doing it for people. Any sort of turnaround would be more of a miracle at this point.

And my point was that crappy things can be popular without actually being worthwhile <insert Transformers/Alice in Wonderland references here>. As I said in the JW thread, slavery was *wildly popular* for a very long time. That doesn't mean it was ever "doing something right".

People shouldn't pay to see a film they instinctively think might suck when it'll be readily available for "free" (via streaming or pay cable) in a few months, since doing so will only encourage studios to make more of the same. Whatever the reason for JW "connecting" with people, it's still a sub-par film that studios (both Universal and those that will no doubt try to mimic its success, be it in tone or subject matter) will have zero incentive to out-do.

If you disagree, so be it Agree to disagree, then.

 

[Jay Beezy]

James Cameron Wasn’t Paid A Cent To Endorse ‘Terminator Genisys’

Why did they feel the need to address that?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Upto 40% on RT now, wouldn't it be ironic if this movie actually ended up being fresh.

 

[Marvolo]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

I know, right!

 

[Jay Beezy]

Upto 40% on RT now, wouldn't it be ironic if this movie actually ended up being fresh.

I read that review that upped it to 40%. What a joke.

 

[titansupes]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

- to both of these.

 

[LostSon88]

The last thing I would ever call Roger Ebert is a failure.

There are exceptions to the rule.

And when I say critics, I wasn't speaking about just film critics. Just the general profession in itself can come off as quite pretentious and petty.

Again, there are exceptions.

 

[Val_Zod]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

Not to name anyone in particular, but why are they ******** over a film making money?

I've never enjoyed the Transformers films, but I could careless if they are successful, as I'll simply ignore them. That's what I'd say to people who didn't like JW, and think it's success is a case to "lose hope for humanity".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There are exceptions to the rule.

And when I say critics, I wasn't speaking about just film critics. Just the general profession in itself can come off as quite pretentious and petty.

Again, there are exceptions.

That in no way makes them failures.

 

[Mr.T]

Arnold just isn't appealing to people who didn't grow up with him, and most of those people have other, younger version to have fun with. I don't think the Fast series is even good, but it fills that need and is relevant to more people. A lot more people.

Agreed 100%.
Arnold just isn't a leading box office draw anymore. The studio is literally squeezing this thing for all they can. Does anyone expect King Conan to be a hit??? I'm not a huge fan of the Fast series by any means, but it fills the mindless action segment the general audience looks forward to each summer, and does it well. This movie would probably make a killing had they rebooted the franchise and just slapped Vin Diesel in as said Terminator.

 

[Alien Anal]

Not to name anyone in particular, but why are they ******** over a film making money?

I've never enjoyed the Transformers films, but I could careless if they are successful, as I'll simply ignore them. That's what I'd say to people who didn't like JW, and think it's success is a case to "lose hope for humanity".

I think it comes down to smaller original films that miss out on getting funding because the higher ups think well whats the point in funding small films if we can make all our money with 5 more brainless transformer films. If we keep giving our money to the major studios then our chances of getting more original intelligent films decreases.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

I really, really like JW, but I am a little, "really". Though at least it is a better option then F7 and the first Avengers film. Now please like Star Wars kick ass and then deservedly destroy all in its path. t:

 

[Sithborg]

Some of the nerd community's butt hurt about Jurassic World's success has given me endless amounts of pleasure.

Anyway, James Cameron's friend is in the film, he doesn't need to be paid to endorse it.

Well, I just saw someone comparing it to slavery. I don't know how a movie can offend someone so much. But yes, box office and rottentomatoe threads can be very entertaining.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, I just saw someone comparing it to slavery. I don't know how a movie can offend someone so much. But yes, box office and rottentomatoe threads can be very entertaining.

Those threads are like life blood. They keep me coming here. Well that, SPIDEY and Snow Queen. Hunter use to be on that list, but then he turned to the darkside.

 

[Supernova]

Todays crowd can keep the furious series honestly and Ill keep my older action movie. Thats the problem I have with todays action genre, all style and no substance. Now all you need is steroids and a superhero costume and bam your an action star. Aside from chris pratt who does have that old school feel to him nobody really today has that IT factor like arnold and the boys did. At some point stunt junkies using cgi cars for dumb things will wear thin.

 

[BatLobster]

And my point was that crappy things can be popular without actually being worthwhile <insert Transformers/Alice in Wonderland references here>. As I said in the JW thread, slavery was *wildly popular* for a very long time. That doesn't mean it was ever "doing something right".

People shouldn't pay to see a film they instinctively think might suck when it'll be readily available for "free" (via streaming or pay cable) in a few months, since doing so will only encourage studios to make more of the same. Whatever the reason for JW "connecting" with people, it's still a sub-par film that studios (both Universal and those that will no doubt try to mimic its success, be it in tone or subject matter) will have zero incentive to out-do.

If you disagree, so be it Agree to disagree, then.

I liked Jurassic World. I probably liked it more than about half of Marvel's movies. Maybe superhero fatigue had something to do with it, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. I think Colin Trevorrow had a lot of passion for the material and it showed, and while far from a perfect film, it was a movie that I was glad I saw on the big screen because I had a great experience with it in a packed theater with an engaged audience and I love those. Watching that at home on my couch a few months from now would not have been the same. Sure, a truly great film will captivate you no matter where you watch it (my palms were sweaty after watching 'Whiplash' at home), but certain event movies are just meant to be seen on the big screen.

Look, the bottom line is that when the majority of people love something, there's always going to be a minority that thinks it's crap and hates on it. Almost without exception. Sometimes you side with the majority, other times you find yourself in that minority. For example, I think the first Avengers film is mediocre at best, but I realize I'm in the minority on that and the film clearly DID connect with a lot of people and tapped into something. I'm not touching that strawman slavery argument. We're talking about mass entertainment here, just...no.

If some people have a bad feeling about Terminator, and decide to stay home- great! Power to them, voting with your wallet, stick it to the man, all that good stuff. That's anyone's right as a consumer and I have no problem with that. It's the shaming of others who might still want to give it a shot that I take issue with. That's their right as a consumer too, and people have their reasons. If this movie bombs, it's because the franchise and its star are running on fumes and the public has no interest. Not because a few disgruntled fanboys boycotted it.