Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

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The, kinda, funny thing to me is that the original 2 Terminators are R rated movies that I would have no problem with a 13 year old watching. Or even a 10 year old. Hell the first time I watched it was somewhere between the ages of 5 and 8

They really arent that bad to me, so maybe that's why I dont care about the rating that much as long as it captures the spirit of what the originals did.
 
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I'll say this, Jurassic World was way more enjoyable than Genysis..if that means anything.
 
I got really into Terminator when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade, younger than 10.
 
Eh I think you could make good Pg13 Terminator film.

The tone doesnt matter. I thought TS had a fine tone just everything else was sub par or bad.

If they wanted to keep it kinda "muted" but make it PG13 they shouldve looked at Dawn of the Planet of the Apes or the first 2 X-Men movies. A tone like that I think would work with a Termiantor movie (although I think they should stop making them)

I do get what youre saying though. I havent seen it but Genesis looked like a cookie cutter PG13 blockbuster movie released nowadays. While that maybe fine for Star Trek, the MCU, etc. I dont think it works for Terminator.

I definitely disagree. What was the tone of TG? (And it's OK if you can't put your finger on it, because it may not have a consistent one).

I think younger generations (or those who just haven't seen it in a while) forget that "The Terminator" was a horror film (with moments of body horror w/Arnold in the hotel room). That was the tone. The T800 was the sci-fi equivalent of Michael Myers or Jason Vorhees: a relentless shark that just kept coming. That's f'n scary if played right. Hell, anyone who's had a nightmare about being chased by something that just won't stop understands how terrifying that can be on a visceral level. That's the movie, and it's consistent throughout.

T2 had a different tone. It was bigger, more polished/action-oriented, and was saying something else entirely (if the T800 is an analog fear - a tank that won't stop hunting, though at least you know what you're running from), the T1000 was really analogous to our digital/tech/internet fears (an enemy that can be anywhere/anyone). Different theme, but consistent in what it was. Any humor came about organically.

By the time you get to T3 you're throwing stuff at the wall. It was clear when Arnie put on those sparkle-glasses in the convenience store (a very "wink-wink, nudge nudge, hey it's just a movie, guy!" sort of thing) that the film didn't know what it was. "Generic action film with sci-fi elements" and "sporadically self-mocking" aren't entirely consistent and don't give your film an identity that an audience can relate to.

T4 was... yeah.

This seems from all the critiques like it's going in the T3 direction of trying to be all things - an action film, a love story, self-mocking/referential" - without committing to any of them (or whatever else it borrows from). So yes, tone matters quite a bit. You know when it's off instinctively, even if you can't articulate it.
 
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No that was just a throwaway line. The movie itself isn't really about anything, I feel like it could have been written in minutes, the characters and the story are SO thin its laughable. I think it was an enjoyable movie but one I'm not interested in seeing again and its clear it didn't took much effort.
Avengers has a thin story and isn't about anything either. I guess those are just the type of films that make over 600 million.
 
The, kinda, funny thing to me is that the original 2 Terminators are R rated movies that I would have no problem with a 13 year old watching. Or even a 10 year old. Hell the first time I watched it was somewhere between the ages of 5 and 8

They really arent that bad to me, so maybe that's why I dont care about the rating that much as long as it captures the spirit of what the originals did.

Yeah I watched it when I was very young as well(then again I watched a ton of R rated movies when I was a kid so I was used to violence).

I agree that they could pull off a PG13 Terminator movie but with someone talented enough which they haven't found after Cameron.

Was Salvation Rated R?
 
I definitely disagree. What was the tone of TG? (And it's OK if you can't put your finger on it, because it may not have a consistent one).

I think younger generations (or those who just haven't seen it in a while) forget that "The Terminator" was a horror film (with moments of body horror w/Arnold in the hotel room). That was the tone. The T800 was the sci-fi equivalent of Michael Myers or Jason Vorhees: a relentless shark that just kept coming. That's f'n scary if played right. Hell, anyone who's had a nightmare about being chased by something that just won't stop understands how terrifying that can be on a visceral level. That's the movie, and it's consistent throughout.

T2 had a different tone. It was bigger, more polished/action-oriented, and was saying something else entirely (if the T800 is an analog fear - a tank that won't stop hunting, though at least you know what you're running from), the T1000 was really analogous to our digital/tech/internet fears (an enemy that can be anywhere/anyone). Different theme, but consistent in what it was. Any humor came about organically.

By the time you get to T3 you're throwing stuff at the wall. It was clear when Arnie put on their sparkle-glasses in the convenience store (a very "wink-wink, nudge nudge, hey it's just a movie, guy!" sort of thing) that the film didn't know what it was. "Generic action film with sci-fi elements" and "sporadically self-mocking" aren't entirely consistent and don't give your film an identity that an audience can identify with.

T4 was... yeah.

This seems from all the critiques like it's going in the T3 direction of trying to be all things - an action film, a love story, self-mocking/referential" without really committing to any of those things (or whatever else it borrows from). So yeah, tone matters quite a bit. You know when it's off instinctively, even if you can't articulate it.

I meant more of the tone doesnt matter in terms of the rating.

You can get a movie with a tone that fits well into the Terminator series with a PG13 rating.
 
I know that North America won't be to blame if this film gets a sequel. I can be proud of that at least.
 
Yeah I watched it when I was very young as well(then again I watched a ton of R rated movies when I was a kid so I was used to violence).

I agree that they could pull off a PG13 Terminator movie but with someone talented enough which they haven't found after Cameron.

Was Salvation Rated R?

No. It was cut from an R rated into PG13

Especially in a year with American Sniper, 50 Shades, Kingsman, and Fury Road.

Going back to the point I made earlier.

Even though all of those are rated R. I dont think I would have much of a problem with a 13 year old kid watching any of those movies. Especially Mad Max. I thought it was pretty tame for an R rated movie.
 
Avengers has a simple story, not a thin story, not the same thing. And breaking it down to the basics, it is about people from all walks of life setting aside their differences for a common goal.

I can agree Jurassic World is about ever growing expectations and how quick we are to be bored by what's in front of us while waiting for the next next big thing. And dinosaurs.

Genisys is about...uh...
 
You can do those kinds of films. But the films still have to:

-Make sense in-context.
-Be entertaining.

TG wasn't either of those, whereas JW was (mostly), as was Avengers. And JW had two underwhelming movies before that, so it being even decent was an big improvement. AND it didn't take a dump all over two iconic genre films (instead it respected one).
 
Jumping jelly beans this movie sucked.
 
She's right imo.

Not really, there is a difference between having a simple premise but with an intelligent execution and a movie that is as basic as it possibly can from the story, characters and the execution of those factors. That's not even mentioning the fact that JW relied on nostalgia.
 
I did think Arnold did his best with the role. He wasn't that bad, and actually I thought he was better here than in T3.
 
If another Terminator is ever attempted I hope new characters are created. I also want a scene where a Terminator with no skin who is anti-war just hangs out and has Arnolds voice.
 
If another Terminator is ever attempted I hope new characters are created. I also want a scene where a Terminator with no skin who is anti-war just hangs out and has Arnolds voice.

I think the only sequel that we should get is just the final outcome of the war, a war that actually looks like the one from the first 2 movies.
 
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