Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[flickchick85]

Big dumb fun I'll give it, but Pacific Rim was far from awesome, imo.

 

[Cpt Howling Mad]

Perhaps domestic numbers don't matter as much, but we're talking about a movie that's looking to cross 400M worldwide when it might not even crack 90M domestically. Add to that the fact that it's the worst reviewed film in the franchise. If a sequel does get made, I can't see them continuing with the same story plan they had before TG was released.

A trip back to the drawing board is justified here. The risk of an even smaller domestic take still has to give them pause. China is huge but there's no guarantee a sequel would be allowed the same luxury of facing zero competition in the marketplace. There is however a clear pattern of franchise decline in the US.

Genisys will join the ranks of A Good Day To Die Hard as a panned sequel that did well enough overseas to offset domestic failure but not so much that anyone would be in a hurry to greenlight another. But Paramount and Skydance only have until 2017 to put something in front of the cameras if they want to proceed. So that's going to be a factor too. It would be a different scenario if this was a new franchise with no advancing deadline for expiration.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think the deadline will be the difference, they pretty much have to go ahead with what they had planned as there is no time to do anything else.

 

[Jay Beezy]

A trip back to the drawing board is justified here. The risk of an even smaller domestic take still has to give them pause. China is huge but there's no guarantee a sequel would be allowed the same luxury of facing zero competition in the marketplace. There is however a clear pattern of franchise decline in the US.

Genisys will join the ranks of A Good Day To Die Hard as a panned sequel that did well enough overseas to offset domestic failure but not so much that anyone would be in a hurry to greenlight another. But Paramount and Skydance only have until 2017 to put something in front of the cameras if they want to proceed. So that's going to be a factor too. It would be a different scenario if this was a new franchise with no advancing deadline for expiration.

Transformers 4 also follows a similar pattern: weakest domestic performance in its franchise, gangbusters numbers in China, difference is Paramount is in no rush another Transformers movie.

Skydance should just reallocate its resources into the Mission: Impossible fund.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I think the deadline will be the difference, they pretty much have to go ahead with what they had planned as there is no time to do anything else.

That will guarantee a decline.

 

[nixonrichard]

I loved this movie , everything i hoped for and more i loved that game of thrones Khaleesi was sara conner, she did an awesome job, Arnold is the original , and still is , watch this movie , effects were awesome! ***** five stars

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Transformers 4 also follows a similar pattern: weakest domestic performance in its franchise, gangbusters numbers in China, difference is Paramount is in no rush another Transformers movie.

Skydance should just reallocate its resources into the Mission: Impossible fund.

Transformers is not a good example, you say they are in no rush to do a new movie, well that's because they are working on all sorts of spin offs and expanding the universe, there will be a number of new TF movies coming out as they have an entire writers room hashing out stories for new movies.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Transformers is not a good example, you say they are in no rush to do a new movie, well that's because they are working on all sorts of spin offs and expanding the universe, there will be a number of new TF movies coming out as they have an entire writers room hashing out stories for new movies.

There's also no release date for another Transformers movie right now.

 

[Cpt Howling Mad]

I think the deadline will be the difference, they pretty much have to go ahead with what they had planned as there is no time to do anything else.

That plan is no longer tenable. It would mean filming two sequels next year and opening them against Marvel and Star Wars.

Terminator is done in the US which rules out any more large budgets or summer release dates. Right now they'll be asking how much those steps to safeguard against another domestic bomb would adversely affect overseas interest. Less spectacle and weaker release dates can translate to less box office overseas.

 

[Cpt Howling Mad]

Transformers 4 also follows a similar pattern: weakest domestic performance in its franchise, gangbusters numbers in China, difference is Paramount is in no rush another Transformers movie.

And the studio's co-financing deal with Chinese investors led to a number of legal headaches for them.

Losing the rights so soon limits Terminator's value. Spinoffs are possible with Transformers but all Terminator represents now is the possibility of a cheap sequel that may perform worse domestically.

 

[Jay Beezy]

That plan is no longer tenable. It would mean filming two sequels next year and opening them against Marvel and Star Wars.

Terminator is done in the US which rules out any more large budgets or summer release dates. Right now they'll be asking how much those steps to safeguard against another domestic bomb would adversely affect overseas interest. Less spectacle and weaker release dates can translate to less box office overseas.

They may stick to the bigger budget if they get a Chinese studio to co-finance. But yeah, they lose control on release date flexibility.

 

[Rowsdower!]

... You didn't like Pacific Rim?

No. Was I supposed to?

 

[Rocketman]

No. Was I supposed to?

No, not at all, just odd... I assumed that the general consensus was that it's great. Haven't met anyone who didn't like it.

 

[Jay Beezy]

And the studio's co-financing deal with Chinese investors led to a number of legal headaches for them.

Losing the rights so soon limits Terminator's value. Spinoffs are possible with Transformers but all Terminator represents now is the possibility of a cheap sequel that may perform worse domestically.

Pretty sure a domestic decline is guaranteed regardless of what they do. Going as planned with a story domestic audiences won't care about ensures a decline. Trying to change things up could easily turn into an even more jumbled mess of a film.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Just let Cameron have it back. For the love of god, just let Cameron have it back.

 

[smallville fan]

Or just make a new television show and get the showrunners from TSCC back.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Or just make a new television show and get the showrunners from TSCC back.

TV-MA rated Netflix show.

 

[smallville fan]

TV-MA rated Netflix show.

One set in the future and another in the past, kind of like The Walking Dead.

 

[Supernova]

I would only be slightly interested on carrying on if they focused on Matt smiths character as the main villian and recasted kyle and sarah and killed off arnold and brought in another young actor. But the way genysis went down none of that is gonna happen so kill it with raid.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

$409 million WW now.

 

[Mysteryman]

I am not at all surprised.
We will see what happens next.

 

[Tg11]

Terminator Genisys (2015), Terminator Genisys wasn't that bad well it was definitely better way better than Terminator Salvation that's for sure even though Genisys was bad it sure as hell was way better than Salvation and not to mention there were so many plot twists but the action sequences were great as well

 

[LostSon88]

Just let Cameron have it back. For the love of god, just let Cameron have it back.

It's not like he's gonna do anything with it...

 

[Tg11]

Terminator Genisys (2015), Terminator Genisys wasn't that bad well it was definitely better way better than Terminator Salvation that's for sure even though Genisys was bad it sure as hell was way better than Salvation and not to mention there were so many plot twists but the action sequences were great as well

I dare you to disagree me that Genisys sucked compared to Salvation which in my opinion sucked way more than Genisys ever did and not to mention Genisys even though it may have bombed here in North America overseas it is turning a huge profit certainly enough to warrant a sequel to Genisys

 

[JtheDreamer]

Transformers 4 also follows a similar pattern: weakest domestic performance in its franchise, gangbusters numbers in China, difference is Paramount is in no rush another Transformers movie.

China bails out a lot of bad movies these days.