Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So great? like T1-T2 great? whats the greatness you are measuring it to?

Im with DA on this. There was nothing about even the "future war" scenes of this film that I liked. I was shaking my head from the very beginning

Sorry for having a different opinion. No, not great like the first 2, but great as in I was thought it was really enjoyable seeing all of the scenes played again from T1 but with a new twist. Great as in we finally got to see the humans find the time displacement unit and send Kyle back.

The 2nd half and where they took the story after that ruined the good work done in the 1984 section though.

 

[Tg11]

But at least Genisys is better than Salvation but Rise of the Machines is actually better than Genisys and Salvation

 

[DarkKnight]

But at least Genisys is better than Salvation but Rise of the Machines is actually better than Genisys and Salvation

That's a matter of opinion! LOL

I'm a Salvation lover!

1st place) T1/T2 are tied
2nd place) Salvation
3rd place) very closely with Salvation imo
4th place) T3 Rise of the Machines (last 30 mins was great, rest of the movie was a bore and felt like a retread of T2)

 

[Loki882]

I'll take Salvation over this one any day as well. At least that movie TRIED to change up the formula, even if the execution was lacking. And it didn't also didn't wipe the two legitimately good films in the franchise out of continuity either (thanks a lot for that btw Terminator Genisuck).

 

[DarkKnight]

I'll take Salvation over this one any day as well. At least that movie TRIED to change up the formula, even if the execution was lacking. And it didn't also didn't wipe the two legitimately good films in the franchise out of continuity either (thanks a lot for that btw Terminator Genisuck).

That was one of the reasons I loved Salvation. It was not afraid to do something different. It took the stories that were told in the previous films and did its own thing using those as the backbone. I've always wanted a sequel to Salvation telling more of the future war then ending the franchise with sending Kyle back in time. Full circle, story complete!

 

[Slushy]

Where Genisys went wrong:

When it was made.

 

[gwynplaine]

This film was worse than Salvation, which was worse than T3. I actually enjoyed parts of T3.

 

[Loki882]

As did I. It's two biggest problems are:

1. Needing to completely contradict the point of the first two just to justify it's own existence.

2. Feeling like a redo of T2, only trying to be more comedic this time (which didn't work).

 

[Cagefighterkip]

T1 > t2 > t5 > t3 > t4 imho

 

[DyeLorean]

For me is T2 - T1 - TG/T3 - TS.

 

[Tg11]

For me it is:

1- T2 (1991)
2- T1 (1984)
3- TG (2015)
4- T3 (2003)
5- TS (2009)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For me:

T1
T2
T3
T5
T4

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'll give Salvation a vote over Genysis simply because they were at least able to make it look good in the trailers. They couldn't even pull that off with Genysis.

 

[Cobblepot]

Nothing beats T1 for me. I do wish they do the StarWars thing once and polish up some of the crude effects on that.

Sue me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

God was this movie mediocre blockbuster fodder. Is this what Terminator is now? I know Cameron already put it in Blockbuster land with T2 but there was still heart there and expert direction, engaging action sequences. It's not the worst thing ever but it isn't terminator. And yes it is miscast, especially on Courtney's end. He's not playing Kyle Reese and frankly Clarke isn't playing Sarah Connor, they are playing sanitized Marvel-like blockbuster versions of these characters. The last films they should have took from are Marvel movies. Geez, this movie just made me sad.

 

[MadVillainy]

God was this movie mediocre blockbuster fodder. Is this what Terminator is now? I know Cameron already put it in Blockbuster land with T2 but there was still heart there and expert direction, engaging action sequences. It's not the worst thing ever but it isn't terminator. And yes it is miscast, especially on Courtney's end. He's not playing Kyle Reese and frankly Clarke isn't playing Sarah Connor, they are playing sanitized Marvel-like blockbuster versions of these characters. The last films they should have took from are Marvel movies.

I 100% agree.

For me personally, I dont know how Terminator fans could like this. It doesnt feel anything like a Terminator film. But hey different opinions...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I 100% agree.

For me personally, I dont know how Terminator fans could like this. It doesnt feel anything like a Terminator film. But hey different opinions...

It's something that just dawns on you.

They didn't get Alan Taylor to make a film different from Thor: The Dark World, they got Alan Taylor because they wanted their film to be like Thor: The Dark World. It's Marvel and Terminator in some unholy union.

People can like the film but it is not Terminator in any real sense. It has characters that look like Terminators but it's not a Terminator movie.

 

[Octoberist]

It feels like a Terminator fan film, done by semi-amaturs. And that's my review of 'Genysis'.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I saw this movie last night and my dad said "I don't even know what this story is about anymore" when we got the end.

I don't think the people who are running this "franchise" even know what movie they were trying to make here. They spent so much time trying to make sense of their own convoluted plot with clunky exposition that they couldn't get around to actually telling a real story.

Why did they make it so complicated and convoluted? I don't get it.

Why does the movie look so cheap? What did they spend all that money on? I guess the effects on [BLACKOUT]EvilNanoTechConner[/BLACKOUT] ate up most of the budget?

Why did they miscast Sarah and Kyle Reese? Jai Courtney is alright but not right for Kyle Reese. Emilia Clarke is hot but not at all believable as someone who was trained and hardened by a Terminator to prepare for the end of the world since she was a little girl. This Sarah Conner should be even darker and more badass than she was in T2 given her altered timeline/backstory, and Clarke's performance doesn't match, and her arc is spelled out through clunky dialogue instead of being self-evident through actions and decisions as it would be in a competent script.

Why did the actor playing John Conner [BLACKOUT]play him as a mustache twirling bad guy, even before he turned into a Terminator, let alone afterwards? Terminators are cold and matter of fact, they are not cartoonish super-villains who speechify/monologue. Just a tonally off performance from that actor.[/BLACKOUT]

Don't get me started on the "Genisys App". Making Skynet a social media thing misses the point of what the Terminator movies were about in the first place. Its not about being anti-technology. Its about what happens when you use technology to make war easier, and put life and death decisions in the hands of computers. Its about how real humans become dehumanized.

The sad thing is that we actually live in that world now. We have drone programs. We have the NSA. We have the freedom vs. security debate being more relevant than ever. A Terminator reboot had a major opportunity to address this and bring the original themes up to date, but this film fails to have any substantial themes at all, instead getting bogged down in the time travel and the one-liners and trying to be like a light weight comic book movie.

If the producers wanted to rip off Marvel's formula they should've taken inspiration from Captain America Winter Soldier instead of Thor: The Dark World.

 

[Octoberist]

There's the part when they Kyle first sees Arnold and the neighborhood they were in when they stopped was obviously NOT LA. It was so New Orleans, and stuff like that bothers me. At least film it in Toronto or Atlanta for shots like those.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

See Andrew that is exactly why they chose cutesy Clarke over an actress like Brie Larson. They wanted a cutesy faux tough girl Sarah Connor, they didn't want a real actress who would give the character soul and grit.

 

[finalrelief]

While it's not the best terminator, I enjoyed this movie.

My order is:

T2
T1
T5
T4
T3

Anyway, I have a fan theory... I don't think Skynet was going to physically attack or nuke the humans in the new timeline... I think it was going to integrate and take over as we are tech zombies anyway.

If I'm wrong and we get a sequel... I'd like to see more physical Skynet and hear it's side of the story... Why does it want humans out... How many timelines does it comprehend or know?

 

[Rowsdower!]

I saw this movie last night and my dad said "I don't even know what this story is about anymore" when we got the end.

I don't think the people who are running this "franchise" even know what movie they were trying to make here. They spent so much time trying to make sense of their own convoluted plot with clunky exposition that they couldn't get around to actually telling a real story.

Why did they make it so complicated and convoluted? I don't get it.

Why does the movie look so cheap? What did they spend all that money on? I guess the effects on [BLACKOUT]EvilNanoTechConner[/BLACKOUT] ate up most of the budget?

Why did they miscast Sarah and Kyle Reese? Jai Courtney is alright but not right for Kyle Reese. Emilia Clarke is hot but not at all believable as someone who was trained and hardened by a Terminator to prepare for the end of the world since she was a little girl. This Sarah Conner should be even darker and more badass than she was in T2 given her altered timeline/backstory, and Clarke's performance doesn't match, and her arc is spelled out through clunky dialogue instead of being self-evident through actions and decisions as it would be in a competent script.

Why did the actor playing John Conner [BLACKOUT]play him as a mustache twirling bad guy, even before he turned into a Terminator, let alone afterwards? Terminators are cold and matter of fact, they are not cartoonish super-villains who speechify/monologue. Just a tonally off performance from that actor.[/BLACKOUT]

Don't get me started on the "Genisys App". Making Skynet a social media thing misses the point of what the Terminator movies were about in the first place. Its not about being anti-technology. Its about what happens when you use technology to make war easier, and put life and death decisions in the hands of computers. Its about how real humans become dehumanized.

The sad thing is that we actually live in that world now. We have drone programs. We have the NSA. We have the freedom vs. security debate being more relevant than ever. A Terminator reboot had a major opportunity to address this and bring the original themes up to date, but this film fails to have any substantial themes at all, instead getting bogged down in the time travel and the one-liners and trying to be like a light weight comic book movie.

If the producers wanted to rip off Marvel's formula they should've taken inspiration from Captain America Winter Soldier instead of Thor: The Dark World.

Excellent point here. CA:TWS was a better Terminator movie than this crap.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The bickering would be lovers angle between Kyle and Sarah is so wrong headed for the Terminator series that I wonder if the studio, the writers and Alan Taylor ever watched a Terminator movie before.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm always surprised to see this thread bumped because I honestly don't see anything about this film worth talking about for any period of time whatsoever. It just exists. Barely.