Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[dude stannis]

Fury Road didn't go the PG-13 route.

That's the exception. Definitely not the rule.

In this day and age I doubt a Terminator film could be made for much less than $150 million. The cgi required for skynet's machines, the action, the sets, on location shooting, crew size, number of stunt men and women and complexity of the shoot etc require a pretty hefty budget. And Paramount is unlikely to make a Terminator film that isn't a blockbuster type of film. What would a small Terminator film even be about? It has to be something that will draw a crowd and keep drawing a crowd. If it's too small people will just stay home and wait for the blu-ray or DVD.

For starters Paramount aren't doing any more Terminator films from the looks of it.

But you've got to think outside the box. Look at stuff like Dredd and Chappie for scale. $50 million, lots of effects and action, but small scale.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Something like the original film would be doable on a 50 mil budget, if they returned it to it's horror roots.

 

[DA_Champion]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was vastly superior to this movie and done on a far smaller budget.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Pfft, James Cameron's favourite colour isn't blue, it's green. We're getting more Terminator films once he gets his hands on them whether we want them or not.

We don't want them. I'm sick to death of other director/producers trying to ride on Cameron's coattails by aping his creation. It feels like a cheap second rate imitation, everytime. Genisys was the worst.

 

[Vaibow]

I feel it's best to just drop the Arnie lead terminator world.

Use the universe, sure... but leave it a few years, tell a different story - everyone needs to move along

 

[Heretic]

The public is likely willing to move on...but getting a studio to risk money on moving on is a different story. The same problem has plagued Star Trek...the Trekkers fully embraced the Next Generation characters, but when it came to the movies, the studio felt the need to shoehorn the original cast into the films, instructing the ticket-buying public that the new cast was not as good and could not carry a franchise on their own. They then did the same thing with the reboot, shoving the original Spock into both films.

 

[DyeLorean]

I think they've done pretty much all they could do with the world at this point. The initial premise was simple enough and that's why it worked, now they're just complicating it because they really can't do much more.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I actually thought Arnold was Genisys' saving grace. If he wasn't there and it was someone else playing the Terminator, it would have been completely forgettable.

It's gotten to the point now where Terminator can't even crack 100 Million domestic (even with Arnold). Skydance and Paramount aren't going to break even during the theatrical run. The idea that Cameron (once he get's the rights back) is going to bother investing (or getting a studio to invest) in more Terminator films because he likes money, is beyond laughable.

Best case scenario. Once he get's the rights back, he'll bury them deep.

 

[roach]

The public is likely willing to move on...but getting a studio to risk money on moving on is a different story. The same problem has plagued Star Trek...the Trekkers fully embraced the Next Generation characters, but when it came to the movies, the studio felt the need to shoehorn the original cast into the films, instructing the ticket-buying public that the new cast was not as good and could not carry a franchise on their own. They then did the same thing with the reboot, shoving the original Spock into both films.

That's not the reason why ONE original was put in ONE movie. The problem with TNG movies is they weren't very good.
Spock was put in the reboot movie to anchor the new franchise to the old one...Trekkers hate new stuff

 

[Alien Anal]

Fury Road didn't go the PG-13 route.

In this day and age I doubt a Terminator film could be made for much less than $150 million. The cgi required for skynet's machines, the action, the sets, on location shooting, crew size, number of stunt men and women and complexity of the shoot etc require a pretty hefty budget. And Paramount is unlikely to make a Terminator film that isn't a blockbuster type of film. What would a small Terminator film even be about? It has to be something that will draw a crowd and keep drawing a crowd. If it's too small people will just stay home and wait for the blu-ray or DVD.

The guest

 

[dude stannis]

I actually thought Arnold was Genisys' saving grace. If he wasn't there and it was someone else playing the Terminator, it would have been completely forgettable.

It's gotten to the point now where Terminator can't even crack 100 Million domestic (even with Arnold). Skydance and Paramount aren't going to break even during the theatrical run. The idea that Cameron (once he get's the rights back) is going to bother investing (or getting a studio to invest) in more Terminator films because he likes money, is beyond laughable.

Best case scenario. Once he get's the rights back, he'll bury them deep.

See you in four years when Hunter Rider posts an Untitled Terminator Reboot thread.

 

[Kane52630]

The Guest

This.

(and btw It's on Netflix for those that want to check it out).

 

[Waldini]

Most of my friends absolutely hated this movie. Has nothing to do with Terminator. One of 'em even said that Arnold didn't portray a Terminator but a clown. The constant smiling, "jokes" and stupid "My Sarah" stuff. Meh.

Even T3 did a better job at portraying a Terminator.

At this point, the studio's need to go back to the horror/thriller roots. Go low-budget. Have Arnold play a small role (for nostalgia) and thats it. After T2 ... every single Terminator has become a joke.

As much as I loved seeing the T-600 in Salvation ... the constant groaning and weird noises threw me off. Why? Why would a machine groan? When the T-RIP/T-800 walked towards John Connor near the end, he could've just killed him. But noooooooo, the Throwminator kept tossing him around. Just pick him up and rip John in half. Be done with it.

I'm pretty gutted at how poor Genisys was. Hell, even Salvation and T3 were better than this

I do hope that once Cameron get's his rights back to his franchise he'll either reboot it ... or bury it. Deep. Where no one can rape it any further.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think James Cameron will be too busy with Avatar.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

See you in four years when Hunter Rider posts an Untitled Terminator Reboot thread.

Why do you want more movies though? Especially after we've had three straight misfires? I'll never understand the need to want endless sequels to this franchise, that was not only never intended for such a thing but clearly had a defined endpoint with T2. It's run it's course.

Either way, the franchise isn't financial viable anymore. The idea that Cameron is going to use the rights to make money off it, is a completely misguided notion. The only way I see another film being made is if he himself wanted to direct another one but that seems extremely unlikely.

 

[chamber-music]

This.

(and btw It's on Netflix for those that want to check it out).

Dan Stevens would make a great Terminator.

 

[dark_b]

OMG Netflix should do a reboot with 10 episodes. imagine the tone of the first movie with the cinematography and violence like in Daredevil. doooooooooo it. and they can cast Brie Larson

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Saw this again today with my brother, he really enjoyed and it stood up to a 2nd viewing very well for me, really wouldn't mind a sequel.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Deaths Head II]

OMG Netflix should do a reboot with 10 episodes. imagine the tone of the first movie with the cinematography and violence like in Daredevil. doooooooooo it. and they can cast Brie Larson

This is the best suggestion I've heard so far. Now that tv and web shows have evolved to more cinematic experiences, I feel they have become a better venue for grittier and more practical action material. Especially now that films have become more about excessive big budget CGI spectacles. Netflix's Daredevil is a perfect example of that.

 

[Majik1387]

Netflix is too small for a Terminator franchise.

 

[wampa1]

I think James Cameron will be too busy with Avatar.

The franchise no-one asked for or even wants.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Netflix is too small for a Terminator franchise.

Agreed, I certainly agree with the notion that dark b was going for, but Terminator needs a much bigger budget than Daredevil does.

 

[dark_b]

''free your mind'' . the action in the first movie was small. the effects for time traveling and future war scenes can be done on TV budgets IMO.

i think the problem is that i saw every possible big scale action scene that can be used in a terminator movie. i need something that is focused on characters and where terminators kill people........and are not throwing them around the room.

 

[flickchick85]

The franchise no-one asked for or even wants.

James Cameron's not really the type of guy to pander to what the fans want. His approach seems to be, "the audience doesn't know what they want 'til I give it to them." And it's worked out pretty well for him so far, so the thought of him even remotely caring that people would rather he do more Terminator than Avatar is laughable to me.