Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[dark_b]

Battle Angel Alita. he should made that movie.

 

[Kanon]

Netflix is a good channel for more Terminator drama (not that if necessary). The budget issue is debatable, for network standards, maybe (see Falling Skies), but for cable, god knows if a Game of Thrones budget is enough.

A workaround for the budget thing is making 3 movie-long episodes per season, Sherlock style

 

[dude stannis]

The last couple of Universal Soldier films went direct to video and where better Terminator movies than the last three. They barely cost a thing, a Netflix budget would easily cover a Terminator show.

Why do you want more movies though? Especially after we've had three straight misfires? I'll never understand the need to want endless sequels to this franchise, that was not only never intended for such a thing but clearly had a defined endpoint with T2. It's run it's course.

Find a post where I say I actually want a new Terminator movie.

Either way, the franchise isn't financial viable anymore. The idea that Cameron is going to use the rights to make money off it, is a completely misguided notion. The only way I see another film being made is if he himself wanted to direct another one but that seems extremely unlikely.

How is it misguided? He's already said he loves other film makers playing in his sandbox. And he's gone on record to say he likes all three follow ups.

See you in four bud.

 

[Panthro]

i need something that is focused on characters and where terminators kill people........and are not throwing them around the room.

The 1984 Terminator film featured the Terminator throwing people around - 2 punks, Matt the roommate's boyfriend, a random trucker...

 

[Kanon]

The 1984 Terminator film featured the Terminator throwing people around - 2 punks, Matt the roommate's boyfriend, a random trucker...

T2 also had a lot of throwing (the truckers in the bar comes to mind), but it was all minor scenes, I don't remember throwing or lurking unnecesarlly the main targets (Sarah in T1, John in T2). In those movies, I can't imagine the terminators close to the targets and not being attacked head first

 

[dude stannis]

The 1984 Terminator film featured the Terminator throwing people around - 2 punks, Matt the roommate's boyfriend, a random trucker...

There's a difference between that and entire action scenes where it's just two Terminators throwing each other.

 

[Tg11]

Where I think Genisys went wrong is that instead of making John Connor the villain they should have sent John back in time to help his parents as well as Pops with the ultimate villain being Skynet itself that being the T5000 Matt Smith's character with Pops taking on the T5000 but Genisys also did have a lot of good points too like the Dysons Miles and an older Danny but they should have at least had more of a flashback sequence of Sarah as a little girl being protected by Pops with Pops killing the Terminator that was sent back to 1973 to kill Sarah as a little girl and then show Sarah growing up with Pops and building it up from there

But yeah definitely Jai Courtney should not have been cast as Kyle Reese that's for sure

 

[Majik1387]

Honestly, I found it refreshing they made John the villain, it kind of made sense.

T1, Resse is trying to save his mom so he can be born.
T2, Arnold is there to try to keep him alive as a kid.
T3, horrible movie as it was, Arnold was sent by a (shoehorned) lieutenant/wife to keep adult John alive.
Sarah Connor Chronicles, takes place pre-T3, Sarah is teaching John to be the leader he's meant to be.
T4, ........let's just not talk about that.


It's only natural the more and more trying to force someone to be something, there's a breaking point, and there's only so many times movies/shows can do the whole "We need to keep John Connor alive!" story without it becoming boring.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Honestly, I found it refreshing they made John the villain, it kind of made sense.

T1, Resse is trying to save his mom so he can be born.
T2, Arnold is there to try to keep him alive as a kid.
T3, horrible movie as it was, Arnold was sent by a (shoehorned) lieutenant/wife to keep adult John alive.
Sarah Connor Chronicles, takes place pre-T3, Sarah is teaching John to be the leader he's meant to be.
T4, ........let's just not talk about that.


It's only natural the more and more trying to force someone to be something, there's a breaking point, and there's only so many times movies/shows can do the whole "We need to keep John Connor alive!" story without it becoming boring.

After seeing it again yesterday I was more at ease with John being the bad guy, it sort of makes sense Skynet would go after him as an adult after failing with Sarah and him as a kid. Seeing the saviour of humanity become the bad guy and the person responsible for Judgement Day was a good twist. They should never have revealed it in the trailers though.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Find a post where I say I actually want a new Terminator movie.

If you don't want a new movie, why are you so adamant about it happening?

How is it misguided? He's already said he loves other film makers playing in his sandbox. And he's gone on record to say he likes all three follow ups.

I already told you dude love, if it's just about the money as you previously stated, Cameron's not going to bother with a dead franchise that's currently losing money. Nor is he going to risk his (commercially successful) reputation by asking his studio to invest in more sequels, that won't even be directed by him.

If he's creatively motivated to direct another film himself, that's one thing. It's a longshot but I could see it but what your proposing is not only out of character for someone like Cameron, it's just bad business all around.

See you in four bud.

For someone that doesn't want a new movie, you seem pretty adamant about it happening.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Also dude love, this is what Cameron said last year about what he thought of the follow-ups. Doesn't sound like someone who liked the follow-ups, does it?

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/James-Cameron-Admits-He-Pretty-Much-Hates-Other-Terminator-Movies-42531.html

Well, I have to be objective, or as objective as possible about that. I’m not big fans of the films, I think that the big ideas of the first movies – I didn’t make the second film until I had an idea as big as the first film, and it had to do with the moral complexity of the story, and asking the audience by the end of the film to cry for a Terminator. I don’t think that the 3rd or 4th film lived up to that potential. Sarah Connor Chronicles, I never really watched much of it, so I never gave it a chance… to get hooked, like you have to with a TV series."

 

[Alien Anal]

Wow has anyone else seen the trailer for the wwe console game. It has Arnie re doing the T2 bar scene intro. It looks just like a deleted scene from TG but almost better than the whole film.

 

[dude stannis]

If you don't want a new movie, why are you so adamant about it happening?

I don't want to pay my car insurance in February, but I'm pretty adamant it's going to happen.

I was f***ing livid when Terminator 3 was announced. It didn't change anything.

I already told you dude love, if it's just about the money as you previously stated, Cameron's not going to bother with a dead franchise that's currently losing money. Nor is he going to risk his (commercially successful) reputation by asking his studio to invest in more sequels, that won't even be directed by him.

If he's creatively motivated to direct another film himself, that's one thing. It's a longshot but I could see it but what your proposing is not only out of character for someone like Cameron, it's just bad business all around.

Look Cameron is not some bastion of cinematic quality. If he was, he wouldn't have dumbed down Project 880 to Avatar and he'd hate Alien vs Predator.

Interestingly a more recent quote than the one you gave says:

"“I haven’t really thought that far ahead yet. I’ve got plenty of time to think about it. It might be fun to completely re-invent the franchise. A lot has to do with what happens in the meantime, people may have Terminator fatigue.”"

On one hand yes, there's definitely fatigue, on the other Genisys is at (an un-earned) $305 million worldwide so unfortunately there's always going to be interest, since that's not an Ishtar level disaster.

See you in four. Believe me I don't want to, believe me.

 

[Alien Anal]

http://www.slashfilm.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-wwe/

Dudes! Watch this. This is pretty well done. It feels like it would fit right in with Genisys. 10x better than the TG punks scene

 

[TheVileOne]

It's a just recreation of the T2 bar scene with WWE Superstars.

 

[Alien Anal]

It's a just recreation of the T2 bar scene with WWE Superstars.

Oh right yeh I didn't catch that. Thanks.

 

[dude stannis]

As much as I keep getting hung up with Arnold's age in these films, the man has not lost a step.

Also Dean Ambrose has a career in action movies when he's done in the ring.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Arnold was great in this, he made the movie really more enjoyable to me than it could have been.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I don't want to pay my car insurance in February, but I'm pretty adamant it's going to happen.

I was f***ing livid when Terminator 3 was announced. It didn't change anything.



Look Cameron is not some bastion of cinematic quality. If he was, he wouldn't have dumbed down Project 880 to Avatar and he'd hate Alien vs Predator.

Interestingly a more recent quote than the one you gave says:

"“I haven’t really thought that far ahead yet. I’ve got plenty of time to think about it. It might be fun to completely re-invent the franchise. A lot has to do with what happens in the meantime, people may have Terminator fatigue.”"

On one hand yes, there's definitely fatigue, on the other Genisys is at (an un-earned) $305 million worldwide so unfortunately there's always going to be interest, since that's not an Ishtar level disaster.

See you in four. Believe me I don't want to, believe me.

Even in that quote that you've posted it reads more like if Cameron were to get back into the Terminator world, it would be for creative reasons and it would be himself directing. Terminator at this point has been milked dry. It doesn't make money anymore. Cameron probably made more profit directing one Avatar film, than he would producing a series of Terminator films, at this point.

Cameron's also not the type of guy to produce other peoples' films unless it's a close friend who needs the support, to get their film made or if it's a passion project of his. That's why your prediction sounds so out of character for him. Megan Ellison even asked him early on if he wanted to be officially involved in any capacity with Genisys and he (smartly) politely declined the offer. He could have had his name attached and gotten paid (for doing nothing) but he choose not to.

Look, at this point, rights reversion is still years away and unless you can show me a definitive quote from the man (or any type of proof) that once the property goes back home, he's going to hire directors to start crankin' them out, It just sounds like a misguided theory.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

This was the most recent quote from Cameron in regards to the future of the franchise, from last year:

http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1998

The rights will revert to you in 2019...
Apparently there's some truth to that. It's a little bit of an untested legal area, but I think that my understanding is that they come back to me as the original creator. I don't know exactly what I'll do with that. I'm not really thinking in those terms right now.

It might be hard to detach yourself then.
If I was going to get back into the Terminator world, it would have to be a very broad stroke reconceptualization. If you think about what Terminator is really about, it's really about the dark side of technology, and it's about humans allowing their technology to move us into a trans-human world, so it's cyborgs, cybernetics, all that sort of thing. I would broadly reinterpret what that meant if I was to get excited about it. The one thing I like about the rights reverting is that I don't think in the new series they're telling a new story, I don't think there's a plan to remake the first film. I hate remakes of movies. Why remake Psycho? That's ridiculous, just watch Psycho. So why remake The Terminator? Just watch The Terminator!

 

[DarKush]

Honestly, I found it refreshing they made John the villain, it kind of made sense.

T1, Resse is trying to save his mom so he can be born.
T2, Arnold is there to try to keep him alive as a kid.
T3, horrible movie as it was, Arnold was sent by a (shoehorned) lieutenant/wife to keep adult John alive.
Sarah Connor Chronicles, takes place pre-T3, Sarah is teaching John to be the leader he's meant to be.
T4, ........let's just not talk about that.


It's only natural the more and more trying to force someone to be something, there's a breaking point, and there's only so many times movies/shows can do the whole "We need to keep John Connor alive!" story without it becoming boring.

Interesting idea, but it's not an issue of John breaking on his own, falling to the pressures placed on him, he was turned against his will by Alex/Skynet. I think it could've been an interesting story, perhaps more interesting if we had seen John succumb to the strain or pressure and turn against his cause.

 

[Majik1387]

Well throughout the movies, while Sarah, John, and even Kate get more info to help stop the machine overtaken future, so can the machines. I don't think them planning to turn John to their side is such an out there concept.

 

[dark_b]

and i thought that Genisys was stupid. how wrong i was



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[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well throughout the movies, while Sarah, John, and even Kate get more info to help stop the machine overtaken future, so can the machines. I don't think them planning to turn John to their side is such an out there concept.

Definitely not, especially when the machines know John is going to find the time displacement unit, a new strategy of attacking him there and then changing the past is a progressive move by Skynet.

 

[DarKush]

Well throughout the movies, while Sarah, John, and even Kate get more info to help stop the machine overtaken future, so can the machines. I don't think them planning to turn John to their side is such an out there concept.

I'm not saying its an out there concept, just that it wasn't a choice for John. John was assimilated by Skynet against his will.