Terminator: Genisys

[titansupes]

Not to mention the redesigns they gave him were minor but deteriorating the design. And I hated how they beefed the endo up

Did they redesign it? I thought they left some of the human muscle on their after John had hit him with the grenade launcher, rather than let everything burn away as in T1, and that's what made him look bigger, But I've never looked into it, so I don't know...

 

[antsman41]

Top one is built like The Rock, the bottom one is built like Cavill.

 

[Loki882]

Apparently, for the first movie they took molds of Arnold's face and body and then designed an endoskeleton that actually would fit inside his frame. For TS, they said "screw that, we want the robotic parts themselves to be built like a freaking bodybuilder."

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Worthington was definitely a big standout in Salvation, especially that revelation scene. Overall, he's getting way too much flak from people who haven't even seen him in movies other than action movies where he can really show what he's capable of.

I kind of dislike the idea that just because an actor is not as expressive or expressive in the same way as another, then he's described as wooden, you see it all the time & so much that it kind of becomes the lazy adjective used to describe a performance when you don't know what else to call it.

Some actors tend to overact, others are way more subtle, quiet, it all takes place on the inside, I enjoy a flashy performance, but like the quiet ones better. At least, see him in movies like Somersault (where he got a lot of praise) or Texas Killing Field, Last Night or The Debt. A lot of people said he wouldn't get any work, guess what, aside from the Avatar sequels, he has like a jam-packed schedule with like 5 to 6 movies in 2015.

 

[elgaz]

I don't mind Worthington, I think he's a decent actor although his habit of letting his native accent slip through can be annoying.

However there was one point where it seemed he was being groomed to be the next big Hollywood A-lister (within a 2yr timeframe he had lead roles in T:S, Avatar, Clash of the Titans, etc) and I don't think he's good enough to carry a movie the same way that Tom Cruise or the like could.

 

[Octoberist]

Worthington was definitely a big standout in Salvation, especially that revelation scene. Overall, he's getting way too much flak from people who haven't even seen him in movies other than action movies where he can really show what he's capable of.

I kind of dislike the idea that just because an actor is not as expressive or expressive in the same way as another, then he's described as wooden, you see it all the time & so much that it kind of becomes the lazy adjective used to describe a performance when you don't know what else to call it.

Some actors tend to overact, others are way more subtle, quiet, it all takes place on the inside, I enjoy a flashy performance, but like the quiet ones better. At least, see him in movies like Somersault (where he got a lot of praise) or Texas Killing Field, Last Night or The Debt. A lot of people said he wouldn't get any work, guess what, aside from the Avatar sequels, he has like a jam-packed schedule with like 5 to 6 movies in 2015.

Not to poo-poo on Sam, that's due to a technicality of being in the first Avatar, and Cameron wanting to do 3 sequels.

 

[Teelie]

Now, you post a picture of your stomach!

I'm not a former Mr. Universe who is trying to relive my glory days though.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Did they redesign it? I thought they left some of the human muscle on their after John had hit him with the grenade launcher, rather than let everything burn away as in T1, and that's what made him look bigger, But I've never looked into it, so I don't know...

Aside from proportions (which WERE enlarged, in the BD features you can see how the endo didnt fit into actual Arnold mold, and they had to cheat by bloating up the body when its hit by a grenade and burns off revealing an endo), there were redesigns on the actual skull, different eye socket shape, smaller teeth and overall a couple of different small details on the skull, few additions in the body

 

[Scarlet Spider]

In regards to Terminator Salvation, a big problem with the story was that the writers were tasked to write an entire film about the future war but had no interest in John Connor or the mechanics of the war. Their concept for Terminator Salvation was to introduce a new character (to replace Arnold), to be the new star of the franchise and follow his story in the post-apocalyptic world of Terminator.

Bale was originally offered the Marcus Wright role but insisted he play John Connor instead, so they tried to bump up Connor to co-lead (through rewrites), as opposed to the periphery character he was in the original script. After they landed Bale, they needed a page one rewrite but because of the writer's strike, that wasn't an option.

A shame. I still thought Bale was perfect casting as the adult Connor but was wasted.

If anyone's curious and want's to read about what it was really like behind the scenes of the making of both T3 and Terminator Salvation, read this blog from one of the writers:

http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html

 

[GothamAlleys]

Yeah, the writers who admitedly didnt think much of the franchise anyway. They did the scripts for money only . He describes The Terminator as "unpolegetically B" and T2 as "self bloated mess" and says he and Ferris took the job because Ferris wanted a new house. In the same blog he has a pesky attitude towards James Cameron as well. During the premiere answering the question about the wrong age of John Connor in T3, these writers simply commented "who cares".

Im extremely happy they were replaced. Not only they managed to write some of the most illogical, plothole ridden and inconsistent scripts Ive ever witnessed, but they werent a fan of the first two movies and Cameron in the first place

Going back to Salvation, I liked the fact that they did stir it into new direction, no time travel, no bigger villain etc, and I kinda liked the idea that the young Arnold was a boss villain of the piece. Execution and aesthetics were bad, but at least it felt fresh and went into new territory. What Genesis does, turning the franchise into Back To The Future with grampa Arnold in the role again is the worst idea I could possibly imagine. Imo of course

 

[scatterax]

Not to poo-poo on Sam, that's due to a technicality of being in the first Avatar, and Cameron wanting to do 3 sequels.

No the 2nd one isnt released until 2016. I think he's saying he's got 5 movies coming out from between now and the end of 2015. I checked imdb and he does. none of them are avatar movies.

 

[The Chris]

Yeah, the writers who admitedly didnt think much of the franchise anyway. They did the scripts for money only . He describes The Terminator as "unpolegetically B" and T2 as "self bloated mess" and says he and Ferris took the job because Ferris wanted a new house. In the same blog he has a pesky attitude towards James Cameron as well. During the premiere answering the question about the wrong age of John Connor in T3, these writers simply commented "who cares".

Im extremely happy they were replaced. Not only they managed to write some of the most illogical, plothole ridden and inconsistent scripts Ive ever witnessed, but they werent a fan of the first two movies and Cameron in the first place

Going back to Salvation, I liked the fact that they did stir it into new direction, no time travel, no bigger villain etc, and I kinda liked the idea that the young Arnold was a boss villain of the piece. Execution and aesthetics were bad, but at least it felt fresh and went into new territory. What Genesis does, turning the franchise into Back To The Future with grampa Arnold in the role again is the worst idea I could possibly imagine. Imo of course

Wow, that ego maniac is one to talk. Those jerks wrote Catwoman for goodness sake, and he criticizes T1 and T2? Good riddence.

 

[craigdbfan]

Not to mention the redesigns they gave him were minor but deteriorating the design. And I hated how they beefed the endo up

It's the same design. The TS one still had some muscles and tissues left on it. Thus the bulk.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, the writers who admitedly didnt think much of the franchise anyway. They did the scripts for money only . He describes The Terminator as "unpolegetically B" and T2 as "self bloated mess" and says he and Ferris took the job because Ferris wanted a new house. In the same blog he has a pesky attitude towards James Cameron as well. During the premiere answering the question about the wrong age of John Connor in T3, these writers simply commented "who cares".

Im extremely happy they were replaced. Not only they managed to write some of the most illogical, plothole ridden and inconsistent scripts Ive ever witnessed, but they werent a fan of the first two movies and Cameron in the first place

Going back to Salvation, I liked the fact that they did stir it into new direction, no time travel, no bigger villain etc, and I kinda liked the idea that the young Arnold was a boss villain of the piece. Execution and aesthetics were bad, but at least it felt fresh and went into new territory. What Genesis does, turning the franchise into Back To The Future with grampa Arnold in the role again is the worst idea I could possibly imagine. Imo of course

It's hilarious that they're so disrespectful to James Cameron. James freaking Cameron, one of the biggest/most successful filmmakers of all time. It'd be like if the guys who made Paranoia (that crappy Liam Hemsworth movie from last year) started dismissing Martin Scorsese's work. Guys, you're NEVER going to win that argument.

 

[GothamAlleys]

It's the same design. The TS one still had some muscles and tissues left on it. Thus the bulk.

No, in the extras they actually show the endo not fitting under the CG model, and the arms and upper body span is wider than the original, to resemble a bodybuilder. Again, they had to cheat the body in the CG shot, thats why its so bloated. Also, theres plenty of detail redesign, one site had a comparison shots, I forgot the link tho. But more apparent things, like different angle of the sockets, different details on the cheeks, slightly different nose socket, teeth go into the skull as oppose to being completely exposed, and on and on

Amazingly, the Winston puppets were very different than the CG one and were identical to the original ones

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I stopped reading that article immediately when someone posted it a long time ago.

I don't care if one hates T1 and T2 or just likes T1 or T2, the fact is those guys have never written anything as memorable as the first two Terminator films. They are ****ing hacks as a matter of fact. I don't even like modern Cameron and he is still better than those losers.

 

[GothamAlleys]

I stopped reading that article immediately when someone posted it a long time ago.

I don't care if one hates T1 and T2 or just likes T1 or T2, the fact is those guys have never written anything as memorable as the first two Terminator films. They are ****ing hacks as a matter of fact. I don't even like modern Cameron and he is still better than those losers.

Yeah, they really come off as pompous and self praising geniuses who are too smart for everyone

 

[Octoberist]

They sound like awful people, and I really think 'The Game' was a fluke, and it was mostly Fincher who made it good.

 

[GothamAlleys]

They sound like awful people, and I really think 'The Game' was a fluke, and it was mostly Fincher who made it good.

Actually I like The Game, and when I started reading about it I found out it was very heavily rewritten by Andrew Kevin Walker from Brancato Ferris script without revealing the actual credits. Reportedly, Walker and Fincher then worked together for months on the script trying to make it work. So B&F dont really deserve a credit even for that

 

[Octoberist]

The Game is underrated, and it makes sense that a guy like Walker did some uncredited rewrites.

 

[flickchick85]

Those guys are terrible and I find it equally terrible that anyone would hand them the reins to a much-loved franchise that they clearly had no respect for to begin with.

And yes, hearing that Walker did some rewrites makes The Game's quality vs. the rest of their work suddenly make a lot more sense.

 

[Piper Maru]

Is this movie supposed to be a reboot or something?

 

[Hurm...]

I ****ing love The Game.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not to mention the redesigns they gave him were minor but deteriorating the design. And I hated how they beefed the endo up

The changes in design and beefing up the T-800 didnt bother me too much, things had changed in the future because of what had happened in the past.

I didnt mind them changing it up like that, but the T-800 was just too hard to kill. In T1 Kyle explains that John Connor inspired the human to storm the wire of the camps and 'smash those metal mother****ers' to junk, that just couldnt happen with the T-800's in TS as they were too powerful.

And yeah, the exoskeleton in T1 still looks much better.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Just to add to what you said, the original T-800 went down after a couple shotgun blasts and got turn in half by a pipe bomb. TS' T-800 shrugged two grenades exploding on his chest, he didnt even fall or got stunned!