Terminator Salvation: Review Central

[FaT_tONle]

Feels good to be right about McG. I never wanted a guy like him anywhere near a project like this. But I blame the clowns at Halycon for picking up the rights to make a quick buck despite not having a clue what the **** they were doing. It's unfortunate that Terminator fell into their hands... but money talks as we all know.

 

[CFE]

I'm just pointing out that not one line in either the first or the second film was gratuitous. Every line tied into the plot and mythos in some form or another.

Any more?

Ummm...

Terminator: "I need a vacation..."



EDIT: Rishi got it first, but still...

 

[Charlie The Red]

Read. Interpret. Understand.

If he hadn't been developing human traits, he wouldn't have said it.

We can continue arguing about it but my point's been made ****ing three times over already.

 

[Rishi]

The point was that he was still a robot in the end, though. He's a machine, when he's out to kill he doesn't need to eat or sleep. So why would he be tired or in need of a vacation?

He may understand why someone would need one, as evidenced by his understanding of why John cries when he has to self-terminate, but that doesn't mean he actually would feel that way. Especially since he's a machine and can't feel anything.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The T-1000 screams and cries in pain when it melts during the climax of T2
Whatever happened to the fact that robots can't feel pain

 

[Rishi]

Cheese.

(But it's not a bad thing.)

 

[CFE]

Read. Interpret. Understand.

If he hadn't been developing human traits, he wouldn't have said it.

We can continue arguing about it but my point's been made ****ing three times over already.

Your point was that nothing was gratuitous...that line was, no matter how much you try to sugercoat it or reason it.

"I know now why you cry...but that's something I can never do."

Now THAT's a line that establishes his learning and understanding of human traits WITHOUT being hokey and unecessary, which the vacation line (despite our full knowledge that it's just being played for laughs...which in the end yes, I don't mind it) is.

you made your point...but your point's pretty much been blown, so...

 

[Deadpool876]

Also, I bet all this is Shane's fault. Bale was right!

LOL!

Curious...what was the scene were they shooting before Bale's rant?

 

[Charlie The Red]

The T-1000 screams and cries in pain when it melts during the climax of T2
Whatever happened to the fact that robots can't feel pain

WIDER. John and Sarah stare in amazement. There are at least twenty
bullet holes in him. Back. Arms. Legs. Fortunately they're all
9mm. The holes are small and the damage cosmetic.

JOHN
Does it hurt?

TERMINATOR
I sense injuries. The data could be called
pain.

Also"[SIZE=-1]The more contact I have with humans, the more I learn."

It's all explained in the movie.
[/SIZE]

 

[Charlie The Red]

Your point was that nothing was gratuitous...that line was, no matter how much you try to sugercoat it or reason it.

"I know now why you cry...but that's something I can never do."

Now THAT's a line that establishes his learning and understanding of human traits WITHOUT being hokey and unecessary, which the vacation line (despite our full knowledge that it's just being played for laughs...which in the end yes, I don't mind it) is.

you made your point...but your point's pretty much been blown, so...

It's not blown. You're just being particularly dense about one line in order to satisfy your own primitive desire to argue with people over their OPINIONS.

 

[CFE]

I have no problem with people's opinions...

But you're claiming that there's not one single line in the film that's gratuituous...treating your own 'opinion' as if it were 'fact' and THAT's when I start to have issue.

Having people point out a very distinctly cornball line doesn't help your case either...you specifically said there wasn't one whatsoever...but hello, there it is...right there...how can your 'opinion' NOT be blown with hard evidence like that!?

And how is my arguing primitive? I'm not the one making bold claims like 'There's no cheesiness in Cameron's Terminator movies!'

You were practically begging for a rebuttal with that...

 

[Charlie The Red]

You know what, you're right. I'm still pretty grumpy since I left the theater last night and I admit I've been an ******* with my last couple of posts.

I apologize for taking it out on you.

The truth is, I've probably broken down every scene from those first two films so many times that I've found some deeper meaning that probably isn't there. In my humble opinion, T2 is as close to flawless as an action film can get. I'm past the point of finding those parts to be cheesy since I'm so used to them. Truthfully, cheesiness doesn't always make a movie bad.

After what I saw last night, though, I could tell that whoever was making the movie didn't "get it." The Terminator's about a lot more than just killer robots, and what I saw last night was...well, killer robots. I was pretty heartbroken to see such a great franchise fall so far.

Rishi and CFE, I do apologize. I was out of line with those jabs and I'm sorry to take out my rage with McG on you. That's not my style.

Just don't try to convince me that what I saw last night was good...

 

[Rishi]

WIDER. John and Sarah stare in amazement. There are at least twenty
bullet holes in him. Back. Arms. Legs. Fortunately they're all
9mm. The holes are small and the damage cosmetic.

JOHN
Does it hurt?

TERMINATOR
I sense injuries. The data could be called
pain.

Also"[SIZE=-1]The more contact I have with humans, the more I learn."

It's all explained in the movie.
[/SIZE]

Too literal.

Data. Sensory information. But that doesn't mean they would emote it - there would be no purpose.

this isn't pain in the sense of "ow that hurts! " its pain as in, "The left hand is mangled. Take note and act accordingly."

 

[SuperBatman]

Saw this last night at a Midnight screening overall I thought it was pretty good. It wasn't great like I thought it was going to be and the

Spoiler

Arnold Cameo

was a nice surprise. I just don't get the hate of this movie because everybody coming out of me theater seemed to like it. Maybe I had my expectations low. I am not saying it's as Great as T1 or T2 but I liked it more than T3.

 

[Tony Stark]

This is nothing like Charlie's Angels. You'd never think it was the same guy.

Yeah it is, mindless, pointless special effects with little or no story. It's pretty much exactly what Charlie's Angels was, only at least Charlie's Angels never pretended to be anything more than a less than serious popcorn flick, with some hot chicks in it.

 

[CFE]

Just don't try to convince me that what I saw last night was good...

Accepted...and I won't be seeing it until Saturday, so no...I won't try to convince you

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

The NY Times gave the movie a perfect score of 4 stars....and here's another positive review....http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994:BlogPost:1316305

 

[The Dark Defender]

Why do Terminator's need slaves? For what? They're advanced and efficient cybornetic lifeforms. Humans are imperfect and flawed to them. They can just do the work themselves.

I like Blair but her choices are questionable. She knows Marcus for what..less than a day and she finds out he's an machine but she's just so sure he's a good guy. ? I'm not buying that. I mean, she was throwing it at this dude she JUST MET(which isn't that weird I suppose. A little fast but not weird) but once she knows he's a machine, she just says,"He's a good man. He saved me. " crap.

I should've been more specific about the rifle shots. I'm not good at categorizing weapons. Rifles, semi automatics, whatever. The point is, an handful of gunshots, shouldn't kill these things so quick.

I don't have an response about Worthington other than to say he did nothing for me.

They wanted them to build things for their intended new world I would assume; if you want to consider that a plot hole or just plain stupid, take it out Cameron since he's the one that wrote that they did that in Terminator. T:S is just following through with it.

It doesn't matter how long she knew him, he saved her life from a bunch of rapists and potential murderers, and more so she knew that they were going to kill someone that was, at heart, just as human as her and considering what she's fighting for in the first she couldn't live with herself if she just allowed that.

It wasn't a handful...with how rapidly machine guns like that fire, they can hit you with a barrage of massive rounds in a matter of seconds, and again, they were being hit at point blank range which makes the damage all the more powerful, plus many of them were damaged beforehand (Connor blasts one in the face after it's already been blown to bits, for example).

The expressions on Worthington's face in those scenes I specified amongst others completely sold the scenes, I think he gave probably the best performance in a Terminator film.

I liked Bale, but I can see why you didn't like him, his voice sounded simialar to when he's in Batman mode at times, but it didn't bother me. I like that intense tone, and the emotion on his face during the broadcast was great.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Take 2

As I said, the final action scene is kinda neat. Schwarzennegger(or his image rather) shows up and fights John Connor and Marcus for a bit. It's a pretty cool fight but it's really only cool because Arnold is the only Terminator in the movie that doesn't die easily. I mean, it's really kind of ridiculous. Three Terminator movies where they're hard as f*** to kill and in this one, one or two rifle shots and they're done? CRAP.
.

Well....These are the early terminator models....of course they would be easier to kill.....Thats why Skynet sent their BEST terminators to kill Connor in the past.

 

[livrule]

The T-1000 screams and cries in pain when it melts during the climax of T2
Whatever happened to the fact that robots can't feel pain

Found this on wiki ...

"Examples of the T-1000's emotional expression include the following; it looks shocked when its arm breaks off due to being frozen with liquid nitrogen, wags its finger in a "tsk-tsk" gesture at Sarah after she fails to destroy it in the steel mill, exhibits a shocked expression after being significantly disrupted by a grenade, spares a brief moment of bemusement after seeing a clothing store mannequin that resembles its liquid metal form, and shows genuine agony when it is freezing and dropped into the molten steel."

The screaming could be down to sheer frustration knowing it has failed in its mission ... but most likely its not too keen on being broken down at a molecular level.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Well....These are the early terminator models....of course they would be easier to kill.....Thats why Skynet sent their BEST terminators to kill Connor in the past.

Yup, hence the Arnie one being the only one that "doesn't die easy" as mentioned earlier, I believe that was meant to be the original T-800.

You can't really compare the other cyborgs in this movie to the Terminators from previous films because they're far more advanced models. It's like comparing what a computer from the late 80's is capable of to a computer from today.

 

[Solidus]

Found this on wiki ...

"Examples of the T-1000's emotional expression include the following; it looks shocked when its arm breaks off due to being frozen with liquid nitrogen, wags its finger in a "tsk-tsk" gesture at Sarah after she fails to destroy it in the steel mill, exhibits a shocked expression after being significantly disrupted by a grenade, spares a brief moment of bemusement after seeing a clothing store mannequin that resembles its liquid metal form, and shows genuine agony when it is freezing and dropped into the molten steel."

The screaming could be down to sheer frustration knowing it has failed in its mission ... but most likely its not too keen on being broken down at a molecular level.

The machines don't feel frustration, or anger. That makes no sense. The reason most always took those "pain" like sequences of the T-1000 it was designed to act as human as possible, just part of its programing.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the intent was to be that humans were being collected for their skin, tissue, and organs. This was not clear in the theatrical cut though.

Keep in mind that T-800's have human tissue.

 

[Charlie The Red]

I think I remember reading somewhere that in the T2 novelization, SkyNet had actually learned how to replicate certain human emotions (malevolence) and programmed them into the T-1000.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Yup, hence the Arnie one being the only one that "doesn't die easy" as mentioned earlier, I believe that was meant to be the original T-800.

You can't really compare the other cyborgs in this movie to the Terminators from previous films because they're far more advanced models. It's like comparing what a computer from the late 80's is capable of to a computer from today.

Most of the bad reviews I've read on the internet are basically just people who have preconceived notions of what the plot SHOULD have been to them... or are nitpicking things that make no sense like that up there. I think the movie was a solid first attempt of a new trilogy. I want to see where the rest of the story goes from here.