Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[TheFuture]

Replacing John with a robot and Skynet being good were not good ideas, but when they decided not to go with those storylines they should've overhauled the entire script instead of just editing and inserting a few scenes.

Is there any hope for the franchise people?

 

[Deaths Head II]

Not unless we get somebody in charge that actually has a proper vision for the series.

 

[TheFuture]

Not unless we get somebody in charge that actually has a proper vision for the series.

Hearing McG's ideas for the potential 5th film leaves with two feelings; one of sadness and the other of complete bewilderment.

 

[dark_b]

Is there any hope for the franchise people?

why so sad?
there is nothing to be sad about. fans wanted from the 90's just a movie where we see the war. where the story is in the middle of the war. but the studios couldnt do it. so f... them.

 

[TheFuture]

why so sad?
there is nothing to be sad about. fans wanted from the 90's just a movie where we see the war. where the story is in the middle of the war. but the studios couldnt do it. so f... them.

I'm sad because it seems like we're stuck in limbo. I was content with TS, and I was open for McG having another shot, but after hearing his ideas for the 5th it would be a disaster. It would be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise if McG's gets to make the film that is in his vision.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I actually wouldn't have minded a film that took place in the beginning of the war, showing the beginning of the human resistance. Either that or smack in the middle of war when John is leading the humans against the machines in a full on assault. Or even the final battle when they send Reese into the past.

They basically set the film in the least interesting period of the war possible. With the ending changed, it just feels like a side story that went on during the future war.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually wouldn't have minded a film that took place in the beginning of the war, showing the beginning of the human resistance. Either that or smack in the middle of war when John is leading the humans against the machines in a full on assault. Or even the final battle when they send Reese into the past.

They basically set the film in the least interesting period of the war possible. With the ending changed, it just feels like a side story that went on during the future war.

The time the war was set in wasnt the problem, the problem was McG not showing what the previous films mentioned.

Just listen to some of the lines from Reese in the first movie:

"You stay down by day, but, at night you can move around, you still have to be careful though as HK's use infra-red"

"The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy but these are new, they LOOK human"

"Most of us were rounded up, put in camps for orderly disposal."

"....Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps and smash those metal mother****er's to junk, he turned it around, he brought us back from the brink....his name was Connor."

Honestly, how many of these comments actually made it faithfully into the movie? The time wasnt the problem, if they had showen what Reese described we would have had a superb movie.

 

[Carnotaur3]

The time the war was set in wasnt the problem, the problem was McG not showing what the previous films mentioned.

Just listen to some of the lines from Reese in the first movie:

"You stay down by day, but, at night you can move around, you still have to be careful though as HK's use infra-red"

"The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy but these are new, they LOOK human"

"Most of us were rounded up, put in camps for orderly disposal."

"....Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps and smash those metal mother****er's to junk, he turned it around, he brought us back from the brink....his name was Connor."

Honestly, how many of these comments actually made it faithfully into the movie? The time wasnt the problem, if they had showen what Reese described we would have had a superb movie.

The future was slightly different from what Kyle described. Remember, this is 2004 Judgment Day timeline, not 1997. Was it disappointing seeing things had changed? Yes, but this complaint is easily explained away by the fact that it is a different future.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The future was slightly different from what Kyle described. Remember, this is 2004 Judgment Day timeline, not 1997. Was it disappointing seeing things had changed? Yes, but this complaint is easily explained away by the fact that it is a different future.

But at the same time, that seemed to be the excuse for everything that was wrong with the movie, I feel this was just a safety net for McG to fall back on.

 

[Nightmare]

I would of loved to see a lot of those things played out on the big screen and was kinda disappointed they didnt.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would of loved to see a lot of those things played out on the big screen and was kinda disappointed they didnt.

Same here, the 1st Terminator movie is possibly my favourite movie of all time, I have so wanted to see those things on the big screen since over 20 years ago, was so dissapointed we didnt get it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well, if it does happen, it won't happen for a long, long time. Sad to say. It's a shame this wasn't as good as we hoped it would be. I mean they had the right ideas, it's just the execution wasn't all that great.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Tuesday.

 

[Deaths Head II]

The future was slightly different from what Kyle described. Remember, this is 2004 Judgment Day timeline, not 1997. Was it disappointing seeing things had changed? Yes, but this complaint is easily explained away by the fact that it is a different future.

The idea of a changed timeline doesn't even make sense with John's concern that he'll stop exisiting if Kyle isn't sent back. If the Reese that was his father was from an alternate timeline, then it doesn't make a lick of difference if his Kyle Reese is sent back. McG coudn't even make his mind up whether the timeline was circular or changed in Terminator Salvation.

 

[webhead731]

Okay, I liked the movie, but this DVD absolutley sucks. No scene selection, no special features, no cool menu.

 

[Nightmare]

Yeah.

 

[Kane52630]

thats why you guys need to get a bluray player

 

[The Chris]

Okay, I liked the movie, but this DVD absolutley sucks. No scene selection, no special features, no cool menu.

wait, what? Is this the regular dvd, which I am forced to get because I'm sharing this with my brother! Goodness gracious.

 

[Nightmare]

thats why you guys need to get a bluray player

For 3 extra minutes?

Ill stick with my few movies I have in blu ray. Dark Knight, 300 and Batman Begins.

 

[Carnotaur3]

The idea of a changed timeline doesn't even make sense with John's concern that he'll stop exisiting if Kyle isn't sent back. If the Reese that was his father was from an alternate timeline, then it doesn't make a lick of difference if his Kyle Reese is sent back. McG coudn't even make his mind up whether the timeline was circular or changed in Terminator Salvation.

There's a difference between the (film) reality of time (travel, lines) and what the character believes the reality of time (travel, lines) is. The future is malleable even if certain events have to happen. But the reason certain events happen anyway is because Connor does what he thinks he should do, given what he knows and believes.

How else can you even begin to reconcile the contradictions (thematically) between T1 and T2 anyway than this line of thinking?

T1 - Time travel paradox can create a time loop.
T2 - But the future can be changed.
T3 - It's just a question of whether its been changed for the good.
TS - Time travel has altered the time line. But has not changed the course of Connor as future leader of the resistance because Connor still chooses his own destiny.

 

[redhawk23]

whatever happenned to solidous? that guy would defend this film through hell or high water before it came out, i never got to see his reaction after finally seeing it

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I still don't think the movie is as horrible as people say it is. I liked it. I wouldn't mind a sequel. If TV had a bigger budget I wouldn't mind a TV series set during during the war.

 

[Kane52630]

For 3 extra minutes?

its all in the MMM, it has every extra and whatnot

 

[TheFuture]

Wait, are y'all saying that they don't put effort into DVD's anymore? Shower of [insert expletitive here].

 

[Solidus]

whatever happenned to solidous? that guy would defend this film through hell or high water before it came out, i never got to see his reaction after finally seeing it

LOL. Yea I really did have hope for it, though I never said 100% the movie would succeed, but I thought with high probablity it would. But as most humans, I made an error, and I thought the movie was terrible. But I reviewed the film and told everyone this the day it came out. Surprised you did not see that lol. I gave it on my second viewing like a 65%. I thought T3 was better, but sadly I just hope they Superman Returns this series and get rid of the last two, and start again after the second, because I think there is still great potential, and so much more story that needs to be told in the Terminator mythos, they are still some of my favorite series, (minus 3 and 4). T4 to me was one of those movies that in general sounded great on paper, and looked like it was shaping up. Then the plotholes and lackluster heart in the film just destroyed it in my eyes.

I will get the Blu ray just because I own all the other Terminator flicks on BD as well.

But no way back in May i admitted my fault, (rare in these parts lol) and gave it a lackluster review. So to sum it up, I did not like it. and it turned out to be a stinker. It's a fun action movie, but not a good Terminator movie.