Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[The Apatow Crew]

I think the DC is a bluray only, thought apparently there are some special DVD's that have it also. Otherwise the standard DVD's have next to zilch on 'em.

Yeah, there are no features listed on the one I bought.

 

[Kane52630]

yep the directors cut is bluray only, i cant find one for dvd on amazon

 

[The Apatow Crew]

yep the directors cut is bluray only, i cant find one for dvd on amazon

Whats the one at target then?

 

[Carnotaur3]

He says this is a changed future but he added in John worrying about himself not existing if Kyle wasn't sent back in the past.

Actually, that's only insinuated. In the novel, Connor says to Kate that he feels obligated to save Kyle because he saved him before he was even born.

Nevertheless, what is Connor supposed to do? Nobody in the Terminator universe including Skynet are experts about time travel. Connor doesn't know whether he will cease to exist if Kyle is eliminated. You don't either. It's the "better safe than sorry" mentality.

 

[Kane52630]

ahh thats the one. its a target exclusive

http://www.target.com/Terminator-Salvation-DVD-Only-Target/dp/B002W9ZIZY/

 

[lzzy]

There's a special edition here on DVD, 2 discs, that has some extras, but I dunno if it has the DC on it too.

 

[Kane52630]

ahh thats the one. its a target exclusive

http://www.target.com/Terminator-Salvation-DVD-Only-Target/dp/B002W9ZIZY/

 

[The Apatow Crew]

So that's the regular dvd and not Blu Ray? If so. I'm gonna get it.

 

[Kane52630]

yea thats the dvd. that version is only @ target

 

[The Apatow Crew]

yea thats the dvd. that version is only @ target

Well, there is a target I can go to, so that is good news. Right across the street from the wal-mart I go too. I didn't open my TS dvd and will just get my money back and put that towards the dvd at Target.t:

 

[Deaths Head II]

Actually, that's only insinuated. In the novel, Connor says to Kate that he feels obligated to save Kyle because he saved him before he was even born.

Nevertheless, what is Connor supposed to do? Nobody in the Terminator universe including Skynet are experts about time travel. Connor doesn't know whether he will cease to exist if Kyle is eliminated. You don't either. It's the "better safe than sorry" mentality.

I could go with this except I'm 99% sure in an interview McG talked about how the future was changed and then in the next instant talked about how sad it was that Connor would have to send Kyle into the past because that's what needs to happen for him to be born.

I'm pretty sure McG himself doesn't even have a grasp on how the timelines he set up works, much less his characters.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I could go with this except I'm 99% sure in an interview McG talked about how the future was changed and then in the next instant talked about how sad it was that Connor would have to send Kyle into the past because that's what needs to happen for him to be born.

I'm pretty sure McG himself doesn't even have a grasp on how the timelines he set up works, much less his characters.

McG is a moot discussion and I am not getting into that debate. I'm only trying to say that realistically Connor wouldn't just let Kyle suffer in the hands of the machines. He knows he has a tough fight ahead and that in the original timeline, he won the fight against the machines. So, in his mind, preserving the future the best way possible as close to the original timeline is the way to go. He's creating his own fate. McG at least understood that.

 

[Nightmare]

Meh, Ill stick with my bootleg version till there's a version with an hour of extra footage.

 

[DarKush]

How does everyone feel about the other part of the original script: Skynet being good?

I didn't read that part of the script. Could you fill me in more about that?

As for the ongoing debate about cyborg Connor, I think co2 made a good point that the idea of John Connor might be more important than the actual John Connor. Look at American history for example, the idea of Lincoln, of the Emancipator that saved the Union, has become more important than the actual man. And that could be said for most historical figures and even contemporary global figures. The symbolism often trumps the substance.

So, I think it would be devilishly ironic if Connor turned out to be a cyborg. I mean Christian Bale played Connor so coldly that he was pretty much a robot anyway.

 

[TheVileOne]

It doesn't matter what excuses they make. In the movie its presented that John has to save Connor to stop himself from being erased.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I actually liked Marcus more than Connor. I kinda wish the whole movie was about him with Connor as a cameo at the end.

 

[BestGirl]

I didn't read that part of the script. Could you fill me in more about that?

I didn't read the original script either, but I heard about this plot point. IIRC, Skynet decided that humans were going to wipe themselves out of they weren't stopped, so Skynet destroyed human cities and has been transforming the survivors in to cyborgs to make them stronger. I believe that's what Project Angel was.

 

[lzzy]

Yeah, Skynet had a resort where hybrids lived, and Marcus is accosted by one on a golf course. Marcus and Reese escape, and manage to take out a tank HK by leading it into a swimming pool, but Reese is killed, and either Marcus or Connor use TDE to travel back in time just before Reese is taken out to save him.
I'm sure thats how it went... Carnotaur knows the scoop

 

[DarKush]

Yeah, Skynet had a resort where hybrids lived, and Marcus is accosted by one on a golf course. Marcus and Reese escape, and manage to take out a tank HK by leading it into a swimming pool, but Reese is killed, and either Marcus or Connor use TDE to travel back in time just before Reese is taken out to save him.
I'm sure thats how it went... Carnotaur knows the scoop

For real? That sort of sucks.

Though I'm open to the idea of there being a twist with Skynet and its motivations or purpose, but the stuff about the golf course and Kyle dying, I don't care for that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sometimes I feel like some people didn't get the point of T2. "There is no fate but what we make ourselves." If time couldn't be altered, then why would Skynet send a machine back to alter it in the first place?! Except for T1, all of the movies have shown that time is being changed.
What some people seem to be forgetting is the groundwork that T2 layed. A machine learned the value of human life and became a protector. A machine taking up the mantle of being the leader would have been the next logical step. If you feel no jepordy for John Connor, THAT is rendering the movie's philosophy pointless. In the beginning of Salvation they gave you the sense that even John thought he might not be able to die, like when he dove out of the chopper and swam to the sub. The movie was on a path to shock you by the end. Hell, I was shocked when John stabbed, but it didn't follow through!

Secondly, it wouldn't render the movies pointless because more importantly than protecting John, was protecting the idea of John. Someone who could be a hero or leader and rally the resistance to eventual victory.

And how bad ass would it have been to now have a John Connor that is a cyborg, (he still had a human brain and organs) in the sequels. That would have made for some intense action.

Co2, I have seen the first 2 Terminator movies over 200 times each, and I totally get the message in both of them, in fact, I could recite the whole of both movies to you right now just from memory. IMO, T2 totaly contradicted T1 with its 'no fate but what we make' comment, which was never quoted in T1 despite John saying in T2 that it was, which is why T1 is the better movie IMO. But thats another debate, and T2 is still a great movie and I completely and utterly get the point of it, I couldnt fail too after watching it so many times.

I have no desire to see John as a cyborg either, the whole premise of the Terminator franchise has been humans vs machine's, but the humans win out in the end because they are fighting for something they believe in and care for, were as Skynet just wants to survive and eradicating humans seemed the best way to do that. Not only that but it wouldnt even be John Connor, it would be Marcus Wright, a murderer who deserved a 2nd chance, yes, but didnt deserve to lead mankind to its greatest victory. John Connor has that honour, and no one else should take that mantle from him because people have suffered and died to keep him alive so he can fulfill that destiny, most of all, his Father and Mother, who both made ultimate sacrifices so John could go on and lead mankind to the ultimate victory. The idea of John Connor doesnt do that, he does it himself, the idea of John Connor didnt make Kyle want to volunteer to go back in time to protect his mother, the man did. Not only that, but it was JOHN CONNOR who taught the T-800 the value of human life in T2. The ultimate message of T2 was that humans need to learn the value of human life, John Connor already does, which is why it is fate to lead the humans to their ultimate victory over the machines.

 

[lzzy]

Co2, I have seen the first 2 Terminator movies over 200 times each, and I totally get the message in both of them, in fact, I could recite the whole of both movies to you right now just from memory. IMO, T2 totaly contradicted T1 with its 'no fate but what we make' comment, which was never quoted in T1 despite John saying in T2 that it was, which is why T1 is the better movie IMO. But thats another debate, and T2 is still a great movie and I completely and utterly get the point of it, I couldnt fail too after watching it so many times.

Well, the 'No fate' line was in the T1 deleted scenes, it's up to you if you want to count it as canon I guess, though Cyberdyne recovering the chip made it into T2. I'd even argue that T2 didn't conclusively show that the future could be changed (T3 did, and then contradicted itself by making events postponed, rather than changed), but... I don't like to argue

 

[Carnotaur3]

Well, the 'No fate' line was in the T1 deleted scenes, i

It is, but it's Sarah saying it. Not Kyle Reese.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Yeah, Skynet had a resort where hybrids lived, and Marcus is accosted by one on a golf course. Marcus and Reese escape, and manage to take out a tank HK by leading it into a swimming pool, but Reese is killed, and either Marcus or Connor use TDE to travel back in time just before Reese is taken out to save him.
I'm sure thats how it went... Carnotaur knows the scoop

Mostly right. I can't remember anything about an HK and swimming pool though. That whole ending sequence is a blur to me. I'd like to re-read the script again. Reese and Star are killed and Marcus goes back in time through the prototype TDE to save them.

 

[lzzy]

Mostly right. I can't remember anything about an HK and swimming pool though. That whole ending sequence is a blur to me. I'd like to re-read the script again. Reese and Star are killed and Marcus goes back in time through the prototype TDE to save them.

I think the HK/swimming pool thing was in CHUD's article on the original script. I remembered the rest from your overview at TFiles.

 

[omid17]

Terminator Salvation (Director’s Cut) Blu-ray Review

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http://screenrant.com/terminator-salvation-blu-ray-review-vic-35615/

One thing to be aware of in the Director’s Cut version of the film is that it does NOT have the 30-40 minutes of additional footage that McG said it would have when he talked about it earlier this year – the extended version is only about three minutes longer (and yes, it includes the topless scene with Moon Bloodgood). I don’t know what happened to all that extra footage since this is supposed to be the Director’s Cut of the movie. The topless scene is (as far as I could remember) the only brand new scene in the movie – the rest of the three minutes are just extensions of existing scenes in the movie with a bit more language and violence.
Oh, and if you want to watch the Director’s Cut and you don’t have a DVD player, you’re out of luck: That version is only available on Blu-ray. The DVD version is quite sparse – I don’t believe it even has any special features at all, but here are the specs on the Blu-ray: