Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[Shifty]

Don't like the sound of it. The new trilogy was supposed to take place in the future not jumping back to the past to create more paradoxes.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The fact that he's written it at all means he's going to be pushing it to either studio Pacificor choses to make the films. Maybe it won't happen, but Wisher isn't sitting on his ass with this stuff to consider it fan fiction.

The fact that he's written an outline means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Screenwriters write stuff up all the time. A lot of it will sit on their hard-drive forever.

Sony's low-balling their Spider-Man reboot with that under $100 million budget. Despite the fact that the last installment made $900 million even though nobody liked it.

Anyone seriously think Sony is going to do differently with a new Terminator movie when Salvation wasn't well-liked either and did $400 million? Plus there have now been two movies in that series with $200 million+ that under-performed.

In the original Finke post, they specifically said Sony/Lionsgate were going to reboot it with cheaper new movies.

No offense. Not intending to come off as dick-ish. Yeah, it would be cool to see this. But there's no way that'll happen at this point.

 

[Paradoxium]

Wisher's involvement is wishful thinking. It's just a treatment. Pretty much can guarantee they will try to re-cheapboot it. Honestly I am not even sure I want to watch any Terminator films now. Post apocalyptic settings made realistic are expensive set pieces anyways; thus a re-cheapboot. I suppose once California goes to hell it might be cheap to shoot there (hehehehe)

Like Singer was to SR, McG was the Terminator franchise. You drop the ball here, you are ****ed for a long while. This is why fans should have sounded the alarm or derailed McG from the start, like what they did with his Superman project.

 

[Ipodman]

Im still thinking of the 2009 Star Trek treatment where new fans can jump on without knowing the backstory or anything

 

[Carnotaur3]

The fact that he's written an outline means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Screenwriters write stuff up all the time. A lot of it will sit on their hard-drive forever.

Sony's low-balling their Spider-Man reboot with that under $100 million budget. Despite the fact that the last installment made $900 million even though nobody liked it.

Anyone seriously think Sony is going to do differently with a new Terminator movie when Salvation wasn't well-liked either and did $400 million? Plus there have now been two movies in that series with $200 million+ that under-performed.

In the original Finke post, they specifically said Sony/Lionsgate were going to reboot it with cheaper new movies.

No offense. Not intending to come off as dick-ish. Yeah, it would be cool to see this. But there's no way that'll happen at this point.

What do you mean "nothing"? He didn't write them up just because he wanted to have some fun at the keyboard. If Pacificor (and whatever studio they choose) passes on it, that's one thing. But Wisher wrote a 24 page treatment for T5 and a 4 page outline for T6 and you think he's just gonna sit on it? Give me a break. He'll push for it to get made. It's just a question of if he'll get a bite from the people who own it now.

By the way, Sony and Lionsgate do not own Terminator. And the negotiations with Pacificor were proven fruitless.

 

[daywalker2007]

are they really going to bring an old Arnie back?
it would look hilarious.
Arnie looked too old in T3, imagine him when he's 70.

 

[dark_b]

let it go. leave the terminator under the dust. its over

 

[craigdbfan]

Sadly folks I only see this franchise heading towards one path.

and that is, reboot.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they just remake the first Terminator film. With updated visual effects, action sequences. New Sarah Conner, John Conner flashback, Kyle Reese.

Mark me words.

 

[lzzy]

Sadly folks I only see this franchise heading towards one path.

and that is, reboot.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they just remake the first Terminator film. With updated visual effects, action sequences. New Sarah Conner, John Conner flashback, Kyle Reese.

Mark me words.

God, please don't let this happen, maybe in 100 years, but not now. The last decade has been reboot after requel after reboot, only a few of which have been good. Terminator needs a final future war film, a two-parter like the Che movies, showing the rise of Connor in one film (not like in TS, leader by default) and the fall of Skynet in the other. Wisher has some Terminator cred, and he's one of James Cameron's best friends, so there could be some minor involvement, machine design or something? All we can do is hope.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

let it go. leave the terminator under the dust. its over

Nay.

Sadly folks I only see this franchise heading towards one path.

and that is, reboot.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they just remake the first Terminator film. With updated visual effects, action sequences. New Sarah Conner, John Conner flashback, Kyle Reese.

Mark me words.

A big nay!

God, please don't let this happen, maybe in 100 years, but not now. The last decade has been reboot after requel after reboot, only a few of which have been good. Terminator needs a final future war film, a two-parter like the Che movies, showing the rise of Connor in one film (not like in TS, leader by default) and the fall of Skynet in the other. Wisher has some Terminator cred, and he's one of James Cameron's best friends, so there could be some minor involvement, machine design or something? All we can do is hope.

Yay.

 

[Roy Batty]

let it go. leave the terminator under the dust. its over

Movie franchises are eternal because there's always a possibility of money to be made. The Batman franchise is proof of that - everyone thought it was dead after Batman & Robin, and even Batman Begins only made $372 million. In spite of that, they made TDK which turned out to be a big box office hit and the highest earning entry in the franchise.

 

[Doc Ock]

let it go. leave the terminator under the dust. its over

I disagree!

 

[Terminator]

Sadly folks I only see this franchise heading towards one path.

and that is, reboot.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they just remake the first Terminator film. With updated visual effects, action sequences. New Sarah Conner, John Conner flashback, Kyle Reese.

Mark me words.

Wouldn't surprise me, either. All that time building to 2029..what a shame.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wisher's take is interesting, although I hear he wasnt that involved in T1, and I am not keen on Sarah Connor coming back, she has had her arc, she prepared and trained John "from when he was a kid" as Reese stated and gave him the tools tom become the leader of the resistance so it should just be down to John now.

I wouldnt mind him on board at all though, and just keep these movies away from McG.

 

[Wolfman]

Im still thinking of the 2009 Star Trek treatment where new fans can jump on without knowing the backstory or anything

Sheez reading that hurt my brain. Star Trek treatment for Terminator? No need for new fans to see the first two Terminators, which are now classics? Ouch... thinking about the possibility, that somebody would skip T1 and T2 just hurts... hurts the very core of my being.

They should let Terminator be already. There really was no need after the second one. I can understand that they wanted to cash in on it with the third, but since it wasn't really that good or that necessary, they should let it go. Specially now with TS f***ing things up even more. But this is just me.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I honestly think that this does have a chance of happening.

- Even though it won't be a reboot like Lions Gate wants, it sounds like it has the more important element that they do want: a movie that is less effects driven and more character driven while going back to basics (the original future from the first two Terminator films).

- Sony probably would rather have a loosely connected sequel than a reboot because they had a lot of success with Terminator 3 and Terminator: Salvation.

- Sony and Lions Gate would really promote this as a return to the original films with William Wishers involvement.

- Sony and Lions Gate would probably want to get a film started as soon as possible and here you go. A treatment already written by someone who has some serious Terminator cred.

You know i have been thinking about this for some time now. Is is possible to make a Terminator movie or a a sequel to T:S for less then 100 million
And for the love of god no one suggest District 9. I can name several factors on why District 9 succeeded to keep the budget low . Or for that matter The Matrix & 300

Even Judgemend Day cost 100 million when it was made ( dunno how much it would cost now but it would definately be higher then 100 million).
Given the complexity of the VFX ( the terminators , Skynet's weapons and the look of earth itself) i can't see the movie costing less then 100 million. Unless of course they really do want to make te movie look like some cheap ass flick a la Saw .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think they could do one for less than $100 mill, it just wouldnt be as action packed as the other 4 have been (which isnt really a bad thing), and they would have to scale back on the CGI and use more practical effects.

It still baffles me how TS cost $200 million.

 

[Roy Batty]

It still baffles me how TS cost $200 million.

A good part of that sum went to the actors and director - Bale got $8 million, McG got $6 million and the other actors probably got at least $1-2 million each. Arnold also got paid for the use of his likeness. The various producers also got at least $2-5 million each, and there were more than ten of them listed in the official credits!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Jesus, god knows what actually went on the movie itself then, all that is just ridiculous, I know it was the 4th in the series but it was essentially the first movie in a new trilogy and so they shouldnt have spent that much money on it.

 

[matrix_ghost]

^I think they could do one for less than $100 mill, it just wouldnt be as action packed as the other 4 have been (which isnt really a bad thing), and they would have to scale back on the CGI and use more practical effects.

It still baffles me how TS cost $200 million.

If they shot the movie against a blue screen , i think there is a small chance of them making the movie with less then 100 million. However it still a question if they can manage to do that. Movies like 300 cost 65 million but the biggest VFX was just to fill in the background. There weren't any complicated CG creatures , the scenes were kept to specific locations .
When you go beyond that , truly exploring places and/or having complex CG creations interacting with actors , you're budget will increase. The 2nd and 3rd SW prequels were also shot against blue screens and they cost about 120 million. Flicks like Avatar & the upcoming John Carter of Mars cost at least 200 million. Disregarding the fact that those two movies are shot in 3d , it's still a very expensive thing to do.

Honestly i can see why T:S cost that much. Shooting on real locations , having complex CG creations interacting with humans ( the mototerminators , the harvester bot and of course the T-800 ) along with the hunter killers , having action scenes with helicopters as well the the replacements of the setting ( changing the backgrounds).
Hell if something like Iron Man costs 180 million , then it shouldn't come as a surprise that T:S cost that much.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Flicks like Avatar & the upcoming John Carter of Mars cost at least 200 million.

Avatar cost about 500 million.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Avatar cost about 500 million.

Maybe you missed the part where i said "at least"
I'm not going to get into a debate over this.I'll just say this one time :
Maybe with marketing Avatar cost 500 million however it is simply impossible for a studio like Fox to make a movie that is that expensive without marketing costs .
I can buy that Avatar'd budget rose to 300 million from the initial 190 million ( which was the number at which it was greenlit). But there is no way Fox or for that matter any other studio would make a movie costing 500 million.
Even Cameron has said that there were 2 reasons why he decided to wait till the time is right

1 Tech
2 Budget issues related to the tech : Back when he initially proposed to make avatar in 1997 , the estimated budget at the time was 360 million.
Now why would Cameron make a movie costing more then initially budgeted ?

 

[craigdbfan]

Wouldn't surprise me, either. All that time building to 2029..what a shame.

It sure is. But goes to show that when a creator/director says "Thats it". More often than not it should be "it".

God, please don't let this happen, maybe in 100 years, but not now. The last decade has been reboot after requel after reboot, only a few of which have been good. Terminator needs a final future war film, a two-parter like the Che movies, showing the rise of Connor in one film (not like in TS, leader by default) and the fall of Skynet in the other. Wisher has some Terminator cred, and he's one of James Cameron's best friends, so there could be some minor involvement, machine design or something? All we can do is hope.

I'm hoping really hard.

A big nay! .

Um I don't state anywhere that I would like to see this happen. The Terminator happens to be one of my favorite films period.

Seeing this get rebooted will not only further tack on another nail on the coffin of unimaginative modern Hollywood but be completely dreadful for any admirer of Terminator and T2 to watch seeing it get made.

Terminator remake of any sorts is a godawful idea.

 

[Solidus]

Terminator remake of any sorts is a godawful idea.

That's why they need to "reboot" T3. Start from there after T2 and do it good this time. To me there seems to be no other option that would be good. Sadly though I would rather have a remake than something actually considering TS canon.

But I think they need to do the Superman Returns Reboot. Keep T1 and T2 intact, but erase T3 and TS and start anew.

 

[GhostPoet]

Much like with Highlander...I am totally fine with a reboot. The Terminator franchise has had too many ups and downs. Just start over already.