Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[dark_b]

^I think they could do one for less than $100 mill, it just wouldnt be as action packed as the other 4 have been (which isnt really a bad thing), and they would have to scale back on the CGI and use more practical effects.

It still baffles me how TS cost $200 million.

is there a reason why members of SHH think that practical effects and miniatures are cheaper?
just asking...............because they are not.

people need to realize that hollywood is not using CGI because they want to throw money away and make you all angry on the internet.

 

[craigdbfan]

Much like with Highlander...I am totally fine with a reboot. The Terminator franchise has had too many ups and downs. Just start over already.

IMO all the options left: Remake, reboot or continuation from where Salvation left off are all bad ideas.

I say let it die already. I loved those first two films. It wasn't going anywhere beyond that otherwise Cameron would have made a third.

 

[dark_b]

Maybe you missed the part where i said "at least"
I'm not going to get into a debate over this.I'll just say this one time :
Maybe with marketing Avatar cost 500 million however it is simply impossible for a studio like Fox to make a movie that is that expensive without marketing costs .
I can buy that Avatar'd budget rose to 300 million from the initial 190 million ( which was the number at which it was greenlit). But there is no way Fox or for that matter any other studio would make a movie costing 500 million.
Even Cameron has said that there were 2 reasons why he decided to wait till the time is right

but MG. its not like they started with 500 millions.

what could happen is that they started with 250-300 millions. then like for the last 10 years( wit hJames= everything blew up. as always Cameron is working with new technology. they had on the wall '' dude this is Avatar,nothing works for the first time''.

based on Cameron's previous movies and Cameron himself............. do you really think that they could start Avatar with 190 millions? you really think that Cameron and WETA belived that they could finish the movie with 200 millions?

 

[DACrowe]

A remake or reboot of Terminator? Ugh. Let it die. It should have stayed dead with T2. T3 was a disgrace. The TV show was only memorable because of Summer Glau and T4 was a bore.

The thing should just fade off into the sunset. You don't "reboot" Terminator. That is a nice way to say "remake." We don't need a Terminator remake. Move on, the series is over. If Christian Bale couldn't save it with the dude from Avatar, why would recasting Arnold and getting not-James-Cameron to direct a remake be a good idea?

Let it go.

 

[dark_b]

reboots started with comicbook movies. those are never ending franchises. and when they came to a point where they couldnt do sequels they restarted everything .i think Terminator doesnt fit in this .

 

[spider-neil]

the future where machines are in charge. a future where man is brought to the brink. a future where a man called conner brings humanity back from the edge. that is DEFINATELY a story worth telling but it needs a man with a better vision than mcg to tell it.

 

[dark_b]

but hollywood showed you all now with 2 movies that they dont care what you want.i think its time to let it go.

from 92 we have been saying that we need a movie with full war between the humans and machines. nothing. they lied with TS . they had 2 minutes of fighting between the humans.

its over.

 

[Cuyan]

Remember how all the Terminator "films" have been copy/pasted action sequences with horribly written stories?



Yeah, me too.

 

[Ipodman]

If Aliens can have two AVP films... i bet Terminator can find his own crossover brother....

 

[WarBlade]

Just... no.

 

[Ipodman]

If someone can pull off a Terminator crossover... i bet the next wave in Hollywood is the crossover wave... lol.
im joking of course, but i would rather have a lame Terminator vs X rather than lame sequels like Salvation

 

[spider-neil]

but hollywood showed you all now with 2 movies that they dont care what you want.i think its time to let it go.

from 92 we have been saying that we need a movie with full war between the humans and machines. nothing. they lied with TS . they had 2 minutes of fighting between the humans.

its over.

I don't think it is over.
for T5 they need someone to push the story 10 years on from the TS debacle bin everything apart from conner and reese (I think conner's wife should be killed) and start from the ground up. concentrate on character and make effects secondary to the story. it can still work, TS didn't work because Mcg hasn't got a clue.

 

[dark_b]

you dont think its over? look around . what do you see? nothing.

 

[spider-neil]

you dont think its over? look around . what do you see? nothing.

there is no movement because of the fight over the rights.

 

[dark_b]

there is no movement because of the fight over the rights.

you mean the fight over the rights that started because TS didnt make enough money and those two idiots lost everything?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Offers pour in for 'Terminator' rights
Pacificor reports interest from studios, producers
By DAVE MCNARY

Pacificor LLC, which won the auction for the Terminator franchise a week ago, has reported a high level of interest from Hollywood about the rights to the sci-fi property.
The Santa Barbara-based hedge fund, which has no experience in film production, announced Wednesday that it's been contacted by "numerous" studios, producers, financiers and agents.

Pacificor also said it had designated the Latham & Watkins partners Wayne S. Flick and Russell F. Sauer to handle inquiries about the Terminator rights. And it indicated it won't make a final decision immediately.

"While Pacificor is not in the theatrical feature production business, it does have access to considerable industry expertise and will consult with those experts over the next few weeks regarding all serious proposals," the fund said.

Pacificor received approval on Feb. 10 in bankruptcy court for its bid of $29.5 million, along with a provision for payment to former owners Halycon of $5 million per film for any sequel. Sony and Lionsgate -- which had combined to bid for the rights -- had been in talks with Pacificor after the fund beat out the studios in a Feb. 8 auction but those discussions didn't lead to a deal.

Halcyon paid Mario Kassar $30 million for the "Terminator" rights in 2007, but Halcyon filed for Chapter 11 last summer as a result of a dispute with Pacificor, which had financed the acquisition. The "Terminator" assets include the rights to future pics, TV series, DVDs and merchandise.

"Terminator Salvation," the fourth film in the franchise, was produced by Halcyon toppers Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson with Warner Bros. handling domestic distribution and Sony taking international. It carried a production pricetag of about $200 million and took in $371 million worldwide.

"Pacificor is proud to own one of the most enduring and valuable global franchises in motion picture history," said Pacificor CEO Andrew B. Mitchell in a statement Wednesday. "Since James Cameron first introduced us to his vision in 1984, the Terminator series has generated approximately $3 billion in box office and ancillary revenues. The franchise is known around the world, in all important territories, and the DVD of Terminator Salvation is currently in circulation."

Mitchell also touted the prevalence of 3-D technology in films as creating opportunities for future sequels. "We expect that this enduring story and its captivating characters will stand the test of time," he added.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't think it is over.
for T5 they need someone to push the story 10 years on from the TS debacle bin everything apart from conner and reese (I think conner's wife should be killed) and start from the ground up. concentrate on character and make effects secondary to the story. it can still work, TS didn't work because Mcg hasn't got a clue.

I assume you want Connor to die in the same movie. IIRC T3 revealed that she outlived John and programmed the Arnold Terminator to go back in time and protect their earlier selves.

 

[GhostPoet]

If Aliens can have two AVP films... i bet Terminator can find his own crossover brother....

My idea is to have Terminator vs Santa Clause

Skynet, wanting to end the war quickly and having failed a number of times to kill John Conner has decided to send ANOTHER Terminator back in time...and this time to the North Pole to assasinate Santa so that John Conner never gets any gifts for Christmas...thereby destroying his christmas spirit....AND THEN THE WORLD.

 

[dark_b]

My idea is to have Terminator vs Santa Clause

Skynet, wanting to end the war quickly and having failed a number of times to kill John Conner has decided to send ANOTHER Terminator back in time...and this time to the North Pole to assasinate Santa so that John Conner never gets any gifts for Christmas...thereby destroying his christmas spirit....AND THEN THE WORLD.

thinking outside the box

 

[Deaths Head II]

If Aliens can have two AVP films... i bet Terminator can find his own crossover brother....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGva3yU8RZw

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

is there a reason why members of SHH think that practical effects and miniatures are cheaper?
just asking...............because they are not.

people need to realize that hollywood is not using CGI because they want to throw money away and make you all angry on the internet.

They are cheap-ER though Dark B, honestly, if someone watched The Book Of Eli and then Terminator Salvation and were asked which one cost more, I think they would have a hard time figuring out TS cost $120 million more, and BOE used mostly practical effects.

The Book Of Eli is proof to me that a Terminator movie can be done for under $100 million, BOE cost $80 million.

Offers pour in for 'Terminator' rights
Pacificor reports interest from studios, producers
By DAVE MCNARY

Pacificor LLC, which won the auction for the Terminator franchise a week ago, has reported a high level of interest from Hollywood about the rights to the sci-fi property.
The Santa Barbara-based hedge fund, which has no experience in film production, announced Wednesday that it's been contacted by "numerous" studios, producers, financiers and agents.

Pacificor also said it had designated the Latham & Watkins partners Wayne S. Flick and Russell F. Sauer to handle inquiries about the Terminator rights. And it indicated it won't make a final decision immediately.

"While Pacificor is not in the theatrical feature production business, it does have access to considerable industry expertise and will consult with those experts over the next few weeks regarding all serious proposals," the fund said.

Pacificor received approval on Feb. 10 in bankruptcy court for its bid of $29.5 million, along with a provision for payment to former owners Halycon of $5 million per film for any sequel. Sony and Lionsgate -- which had combined to bid for the rights -- had been in talks with Pacificor after the fund beat out the studios in a Feb. 8 auction but those discussions didn't lead to a deal.

Halcyon paid Mario Kassar $30 million for the "Terminator" rights in 2007, but Halcyon filed for Chapter 11 last summer as a result of a dispute with Pacificor, which had financed the acquisition. The "Terminator" assets include the rights to future pics, TV series, DVDs and merchandise.

"Terminator Salvation," the fourth film in the franchise, was produced by Halcyon toppers Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson with Warner Bros. handling domestic distribution and Sony taking international. It carried a production pricetag of about $200 million and took in $371 million worldwide.

"Pacificor is proud to own one of the most enduring and valuable global franchises in motion picture history," said Pacificor CEO Andrew B. Mitchell in a statement Wednesday. "Since James Cameron first introduced us to his vision in 1984, the Terminator series has generated approximately $3 billion in box office and ancillary revenues. The franchise is known around the world, in all important territories, and the DVD of Terminator Salvation is currently in circulation."

Mitchell also touted the prevalence of 3-D technology in films as creating opportunities for future sequels. "We expect that this enduring story and its captivating characters will stand the test of time," he added.

Hhhhhhhmmmm, I have a feeling Pacifior are in no hurry to make another movie, we may be in for a long weight peeps.

Its a shame, as I believe there are ways around what TS set-up.

 

[craigdbfan]

If anything its good that these guys from Pacificor want to give this time.

Even though I think this entire series should be buried, its better that its owner's try shaping a good story out of something that has rendered itself redundant.

 

[Legion]

If Aliens can have two AVP films... i bet Terminator can find his own crossover brother....

Terminator vs. Robocop?

 

[craigdbfan]

Terminator vs. Robocop?

Heck, I'm not going to lie to myself. I'd watch it.

Would it suck. Most likely.

Still its worth 8 bucks to watch even if there are loads of laughs along the way.

 

[spider-neil]

I defiantely want the future war told properly. the movie doesn't have to cost loads, it should be a character driven movie. so while some people want the terminator franchise to die I definately want to see T5 but only if it is given to a director who is al about depth first and spectacle second.