Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[Carnotaur3]

The only thing I even liked from that was the beginning when it slowly builds up to the main theme. The actual theme sounds too much like a generic heroic theme for me.

I completely disagree. Elfman's new theme seemed inspired by other war movies mixed with the Terminator aesthetic and it's actually very memorable.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Marcus Wright's redemption was supposed to come from him becoming Connor though. That was the point of the story.

And the rewrites only dampened that story because they tried to make it less about Wright and they tried to give Connor more scenes that had no thematic value. I don't know how you can say the rewrites helped, because if you actually did like the premise then they made it worse in that particular regard when they tried to fix it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Marcus Wright's redemption was supposed to come from him becoming Connor though. That was the point of the story.

And the rewrites only dampened that story because they tried to make it less about Wright and they tried to give Connor more scenes that had no thematic value. I don't know how you can say the rewrites helped, because if you actually did like the premise then they made it worse in that particular regard when they tried to fix it.

Bingo.

Give this man a prize!

 

[Carnotaur3]

Marcus Wright's redemption was supposed to come from him becoming Connor though. That was the point of the story.

And the rewrites only dampened that story because they tried to make it less about Wright and they tried to give Connor more scenes that had no thematic value. I don't know how you can say the rewrites helped, because if you actually did like the premise then they made it worse in that particular regard when they tried to fix it.

The rewrites improved it. They did not improve everything that needed to be improved but Connor's role in the original script was so minimal that the thematic element behind Marcus becoming Connor couldn't work. Could have worked better in the final film, but the reason I don't think it'd work is two fold. It's just kind of illogical to begin with. "Marcus, become this military leader even though you have no training whatsoever". Brancato and Ferris' idea of Connor is that his legend and name is what made the resistance win the war, but that's entirely too simplistic. And to top it off, nobody (but the ones closest to him) knew what Connor looked like. Kate and co could have simply started calling Marcus Connor and people would believe it.

What we have in the final film (even if it's a tad cheesy) is still better. If they had no time they could have figured out a way to make it stronger. Marcus still gets his salvation. He still (saves) Connor's legacy by giving his heart to him for the survival of the resistance. It's still there. But it's not as extreme and doesn't betray the mythology like the original script.

 

[redhawk23]

^whole heartedly agree!

 

[dark_b]

just watched the TV spot for the bluray edition, it said it has 2 alternate endings

what are the two endings?

 

[Kane52630]

what are the two endings?

i have no clue, it just said "with two alternate endings"
im guessing all the extras that was expected is in the MMM

 

[dark_b]

this MMM is not so bad.

but how must MCG felt when he recorded those videos? this was after they all knew that TS was a bomb and that a sequel wont happen.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hey, look. Come closer. A little closer. Are you close enough..?

It's Connor!!!

THANKYOU! My surname is Spelt Connor and it annoys me so much when people get it wrong.

Also, with regards the MMM, does your BD have to be plugged into the internet to play this?

That's how the script ended. That's not what the story was about. The story was about a criminal who had lost faith in his own humanity and was given a second chance at life when he was being used for more evil purposes. That was the story. You can literally do anything with it. The whole dynamic of a human being who was like a machine before death and the machine that became a human being after was very intriguing and should have been explored more. It wasn't.

It could, and should have been explored more, Marcus didnt seem like a murderer at all in the movie, only time was when he was fighting those guys off of Blair and he went to kill the main guy. Other than that it wasnt really explored at all, they should have gone more into Marcus's past for me.

They also should have cut out the stupid plot points and the daytime scene's.

Kyle's line in the first movie "you stay down by day, but, at night you can move around, you still have to be careful as HK's use infra-red" seemed to be completely ignored.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

If McG didn't run around claiming to have reinvented the wheel, people would have enjoyed Terminator: Salvation for what it was. Alas his mouth did him in.

 

[co2]

If McG didn't run around claiming to have reinvented the wheel, people would have enjoyed Terminator: Salvation for what it was. Alas his mouth did him in.

You really think that had something to do with how the movie performed, considering a overwhelming portion of the audience never heard of or saw an interview with McG.

Personally I think the movie had flaws but overall I liked it. When I first heard of the intended ending (Connor dying a Marcus taking his place) I thought it was an awful idea, but the more I thought about it, the more I would have preferred it to what we got.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

You really think that had something to do with how the movie performed, considering a overwhelming portion of the audience never heard of or saw an interview with McG.

The online/fan community would have been kinder. That was my point. General public didn't care about Terminator anymore to begin with. Star Trek seriously stole its thunder.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If McG didn't run around claiming to have reinvented the wheel, people would have enjoyed Terminator: Salvation for what it was. Alas his mouth did him in.

Thats possible.

You really think that had something to do with how the movie performed, considering a overwhelming portion of the audience never heard of or saw an interview with McG.

Personally I think the movie had flaws but overall I liked it. When I first heard of the intended ending (Connor dying a Marcus taking his place) I thought it was an awful idea, but the more I thought about about it, the more I would have preferred it to what we got.

I'm glad they changed the ending, would have made the first 3 movies totally pointless so I wouldnt have liked it at all, glad they changed it.

 

[co2]

Thats possible.



I'm glad they changed the ending, would have made the first 3 movies totally pointless so I wouldnt have liked it at all, glad they changed it.

You really think it would have rendered the first 3 movies pointless? I don't see that. Terminator needed a kick in the pants, and that would have definitely done it. I guarantee people would have been talking about it more, which means people would have wanted a sequel more. Now, I think we will be lucky if that happens.
I'm a giant fan of the first two movies. And at first that would have felt like sacriledge, but you have to move beyond people's expectations and find something that serves the story better. Look at the Star Wars pre-quels, they were pretty to look at, but felt kind of hollow because you knew what was coming. Terminator involves time travel, so like Star Trek, it had an opportunity to take it in a ballsy new direction and chickened out. You need to pay attention to fans, yes, but sometimes obeying their whims will keep their own beloved property from growing. And Terminator had a chance to grow and expand on the myth, but didn't.

 

[Bim]

When I first heard of the intended ending (Connor dying a Marcus taking his place) I thought it was an awful idea, but the more I thought about it, the more I would have preferred it to what we got.

I'm really, really glad they didnt go with that ending.

 

[Kent]

Seconded.

 

[BestGirl]

Replacing John with a robot and Skynet being good were not good ideas, but when they decided not to go with those storylines they should've overhauled the entire script instead of just editing and inserting a few scenes.

 

[The Chris]

Replacing John with a robot and Skynet being good were not good ideas, but when they decided not to go with those storylines they should've overhauled the entire script instead of just editing and inserting a few scenes.

Agreed on all accounts. No matter how you put it, Connor being replaced by a machine is stupid. Like someone said earlier, since no one saw Connor there was no reason to do it, and it makes all that time traveling and protection business in the first three worthless, since it would be a machine doing the leading this whole time. It shouldn't be a machine anyway. It should be a human being who leads the human race to victory over the metal.

 

[Nightmare]

Replacing John with a robot and Skynet being good were not good ideas, but when they decided not to go with those storylines they should've overhauled the entire script instead of just editing and inserting a few scenes.

Yes Yes, very good points.

 

[Evil Twin]

Replacing John with Marcus would have gutted a lot of the emotional resonance of JC sending his own father to his death. I don't see what it would have really added either except a shock ending.

If the Terminator franchise wants to truly get into new territory, move the story up to beyond where JC sends Kyle and Arnold to the past as protectors. And have Skynet not be as smashed as they think.

 

[Nightmare]

How about a final war battle, of epic proportions?

A War movie with Soldiers vs Terminators, could that work?

 

[Deaths Head II]

Replacing John with Marcus would have gutted a lot of the emotional resonance of JC sending his own father to his death. I don't see what it would have really added either except a shock ending.

If the Terminator franchise wants to truly get into new territory, move the story up to beyond where JC sends Kyle and Arnold to the past as protectors. And have Skynet not be as smashed as they think.

That's actually a good idea. We know the story up to when Kyle gets sent away. If they want something new they should show what happens after.

A good idea would have the next film be about sending Kyle into the past and having the twist be that it's not over yet.

 

[dark_b]

How about a final war battle, of epic proportions?

A War movie with Soldiers vs Terminators, could that work?

the problem is that fans dont want a fight between humans and machines

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You really think it would have rendered the first 3 movies pointless? I don't see that. Terminator needed a kick in the pants, and that would have definitely done it. I guarantee people would have been talking about it more, which means people would have wanted a sequel more. Now, I think we will be lucky if that happens.
I'm a giant fan of the first two movies. And at first that would have felt like sacriledge, but you have to move beyond people's expectations and find something that serves the story better. Look at the Star Wars pre-quels, they were pretty to look at, but felt kind of hollow because you knew what was coming. Terminator involves time travel, so like Star Trek, it had an opportunity to take it in a ballsy new direction and chickened out. You need to pay attention to fans, yes, but sometimes obeying their whims will keep their own beloved property from growing. And Terminator had a chance to grow and expand on the myth, but didn't.

I definately think it would have made the first 3 movies pointless, what did Kyle die for if John didnt go on to lead the resistance, what did Sarah suffer for if not to have John leading the resistance, why did John suffer such a hard life if it wasnt preparation to become leader of the resistance and saviour of the human race?

It definately renders the first 3 movies pointless, the whole point of the first 3 movies was people and machines sacrificing themselves so John could go on and lead the resistance. If he dies after all that suffering and sacrifice it makes it all pointless and the 1st 3 movies, in which the big theme is fate, largely obselete.

I am so, so glad they didnt go with the original ending for that reason.

Replacing John with Marcus would have gutted a lot of the emotional resonance of JC sending his own father to his death. I don't see what it would have really added either except a shock ending.

If the Terminator franchise wants to truly get into new territory, move the story up to beyond where JC sends Kyle and Arnold to the past as protectors. And have Skynet not be as smashed as they think.

Exactly, not to mention a machine leading the human resistance just wouldnt have cut it for me, John is the saviour of humanity, endless people suffered so he could meet that fate.

 

[Kane52630]

the problem is that fans dont want a fight between humans and machines

stealing my gifs are you