Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[co2]

I definately think it would have made the first 3 movies pointless, what did Kyle die for if John didnt go on to lead the resistance, what did Sarah suffer for if not to have John leading the resistance, why did John suffer such a hard life if it wasnt preparation to become leader of the resistance and saviour of the human race?

It definately renders the first 3 movies pointless, the whole point of the first 3 movies was people and machines sacrificing themselves so John could go on and lead the resistance. If he dies after all that suffering and sacrifice it makes it all pointless and the 1st 3 movies, in which the big theme is fate, largely obselete.

I am so, so glad they didnt go with the original ending for that reason.



Exactly, not to mention a machine leading the human resistance just wouldnt have cut it for me, John is the saviour of humanity, endless people suffered so he could meet that fate.

Sometimes I feel like some people didn't get the point of T2. "There is no fate but what we make ourselves." If time couldn't be altered, then why would Skynet send a machine back to alter it in the first place?! Except for T1, all of the movies have shown that time is being changed.
What some people seem to be forgetting is the groundwork that T2 layed. A machine learned the value of human life and became a protector. A machine taking up the mantle of being the leader would have been the next logical step. If you feel no jepordy for John Connor, THAT is rendering the movie's philosophy pointless. In the beginning of Salvation they gave you the sense that even John thought he might not be able to die, like when he dove out of the chopper and swam to the sub. The movie was on a path to shock you by the end. Hell, I was shocked when John stabbed, but it didn't follow through!

Secondly, it wouldn't render the movies pointless because more importantly than protecting John, was protecting the idea of John. Someone who could be a hero or leader and rally the resistance to eventual victory.

And how bad ass would it have been to now have a John Connor that is a cyborg, (he still had a human brain and organs) in the sequels. That would have made for some intense action.

 

[DarKush]

I agree with a lot of of what co2 said. I mean, the original ending would've been a pretty gutsy move and it would added a complexity to the next films. I mean, how would it affect Connor and his crew, not to mention other Resistance fighters, if he was a cyborg? If he became the thing he hated most? I think there's a lot of good potential for conflict and drama, internal and external there that doesn't presently exist, with the way TS ended.

Also, Connor being a cyborg might be what gave him the edge or at least made him able to stymie Skynet. Perhaps he has enhanced abilities because of the change.

I just thought the idea was pretty cool. I also agree with previous posters that if they decided not to go that route they should've totally rewritten the script and put John Connor squarely in the center of it. He was too remote as a character to be the star of the film. The movie's center stayed with Marcus and Kyle when it should've shifted to Connor.

The movie isn't horrible. I think McG, etc., but a lot of thought and work into the look of the Future War. Where they failed was in the storyline and in the characters. I didn't care about these people, and what feelings I tried to conjure up came from past Terminator films and the Linda Hamilton audio cameo.

 

[BestGirl]

How does everyone feel about the other part of the original script: Skynet being good?

 

[BestGirl]

Sometimes I feel like some people didn't get the point of T2. "There is no fate but what we make ourselves." If time couldn't be altered, then why would Skynet send a machine back to alter it in the first place?! Except for T1, all of the movies have shown that time is being changed.
What some people seem to be forgetting is the groundwork that T2 layed. A machine learned the value of human life and became a protector. A machine taking up the mantle of being the leader would have been the next logical step. If you feel no jepordy for John Connor, THAT is rendering the movie's philosophy pointless. In the beginning of Salvation they gave you the sense that even John thought he might not be able to die, like when he dove out of the chopper and swam to the sub. The movie was on a path to shock you by the end. Hell, I was shocked when John stabbed, but it didn't follow through!

Secondly, it wouldn't render the movies pointless because more importantly than protecting John, was protecting the idea of John. Someone who could be a hero or leader and rally the resistance to eventual victory.

And how bad ass would it have been to now have a John Connor that is a cyborg, (he still had a human brain and organs) in the sequels. That would have made for some intense action.

That would've been the best part of having a cyborg John.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

How does everyone feel about the other part of the original script: Skynet being good?

I feel sick just thinking about it.

Words can not discribe just how much I hate that idea.

 

[Sam Fisher]

wait, what? Is this the regular dvd, which I am forced to get because I'm sharing this with my brother! Goodness gracious.

Get the DVD at Target. They have a special exclusive version with the director's cut and some extras.

 

[Nightmare]

Get the DVD at Target. They have a special exclusive version with the director's cut and some extras.

how much footage worth of exclusives?

 

[Sam Fisher]

I honestly don't know. I just know that Target will have the DVD edition of the Director's Cut.

 

[Kane52630]

amazon has the bluray for $16

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Salvation-Directors-Cut-Blu-ray/dp/B001FB55I0/

 

[CelticPredator]

$16 too much.

 

[Nightmare]

Plus S&H

 

[Kane52630]

but its eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25.

 

[Deaths Head II]

There's a difference between the (film) reality of time (travel, lines) and what the character believes the reality of time (travel, lines) is. The future is malleable even if certain events have to happen. But the reason certain events happen anyway is because Connor does what he thinks he should do, given what he knows and believes.

How else can you even begin to reconcile the contradictions (thematically) between T1 and T2 anyway than this line of thinking?

T1 - Time travel paradox can create a time loop.
T2 - But the future can be changed.
T3 - It's just a question of whether its been changed for the good.
TS - Time travel has altered the time line. But has not changed the course of Connor as future leader of the resistance because Connor still chooses his own destiny.

With all this in mind, there is still no explanation for why John is worrying about sendng Kyle back into the past. John knows this is a changed future. "This is not the future my mother warned me about" suggests that. If anything, the fact that this is a changed future suggests that Kyle might not have been his father originally or that he doesn't need to be.

Like I said, McG couldn't make up his mind on what kind of timeline he was portraying. He says this is a changed future but he added in John worrying about himself not existing if Kyle wasn't sent back in the past. And it was included probably more as a way to pay homage to T1 then anything.

Sometimes I feel like some people didn't get the point of T2. "There is no fate but what we make ourselves." If time couldn't be altered, then why would Skynet send a machine back to alter it in the first place?! Except for T1, all of the movies have shown that time is being changed.
What some people seem to be forgetting is the groundwork that T2 layed. A machine learned the value of human life and became a protector. A machine taking up the mantle of being the leader would have been the next logical step. If you feel no jepordy for John Connor, THAT is rendering the movie's philosophy pointless. In the beginning of Salvation they gave you the sense that even John thought he might not be able to die, like when he dove out of the chopper and swam to the sub. The movie was on a path to shock you by the end. Hell, I was shocked when John stabbed, but it didn't follow through!

Secondly, it wouldn't render the movies pointless because more importantly than protecting John, was protecting the idea of John. Someone who could be a hero or leader and rally the resistance to eventual victory.

And how bad ass would it have been to now have a John Connor that is a cyborg, (he still had a human brain and organs) in the sequels. That would have made for some intense action.

I think it's upsetting to have the man who leads all the other humans to rise up be a cyborg himself. Besides, how inspiring is it for the "No Fate But What We Make" line apply to John being killed before he accomplishes a single damn thing?

I would also prefer a human protagonist over a machine one. Even though I prefer T2 over T1, one thing I loved about T1 was Kyle Reese. A flesh and blood human protagonist using cunning and wit against machines is a better idea for me. TS didn't play this up well enough because it felt near the end the only reason Connor and Reese survived was because Skynet was extraordinarily stupid. Even if we expect John to survive, they could keep the threat alive. Heck, they could have even killed him off in the final installment of the trilogy they were planning. But to reveal that everything Connor did was just the actions a man impersonating Connor, that Connor himself was really a nobody, is just a insult to the franchise.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Only three more minutes of footage? What happened to all that other footage he talked about? Is it even on the Blu Ray?

 

[Kane52630]

Only three more minutes of footage? What happened to all that other footage he talked about? Is it even on the Blu Ray?

its on the MMM (this is like the 10th time im saying this )

 

[Nightmare]

the MMMMMMMMMMM?

 

[Kane52630]

Maximum Movie Mode

 

[Sam Fisher]

the MMMMMMMMMMM?

Judi Dench's in this?

 

[CelticPredator]

Is McG the new Paul Anderson? Promising a better and more violent movie on DVD, and unfortuanly never actually delivering?

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Sometimes I feel like some people didn't get the point of T2. "There is no fate but what we make ourselves." If time couldn't be altered, then why would Skynet send a machine back to alter it in the first place?! Except for T1, all of the movies have shown that time is being changed.
What some people seem to be forgetting is the groundwork that T2 layed. A machine learned the value of human life and became a protector. A machine taking up the mantle of being the leader would have been the next logical step. If you feel no jepordy for John Connor, THAT is rendering the movie's philosophy pointless. In the beginning of Salvation they gave you the sense that even John thought he might not be able to die, like when he dove out of the chopper and swam to the sub. The movie was on a path to shock you by the end. Hell, I was shocked when John stabbed, but it didn't follow through!

Secondly, it wouldn't render the movies pointless because more importantly than protecting John, was protecting the idea of John. Someone who could be a hero or leader and rally the resistance to eventual victory.

And how bad ass would it have been to now have a John Connor that is a cyborg, (he still had a human brain and organs) in the sequels. That would have made for some intense action.

You guys also seems to be forgetting that the cyborg Connor is Marcus Wright in John Connor skin. How pathetic is that?

 

[lzzy]

Who's brave enough to sit throught the whole of the MMM and listen to McG big himself up and make excuses for plotholes?

 

[Kane52630]

Who's brave enough to sit throught the whole of the MMM and listen to McG big himself up and make excuses for plotholes?

i would. i got nothing to do

 

[lzzy]

i would. i got nothing to do

I already put up with his hyperbole and false promises in the lead up to TS.. I'd be quite happy to never hear about McGee again

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Is the directors Cut only coming to Blu Ray?

I saw something in a Target flyer and said it was a exclusive and it looked like a directors cut two disc. They showed that one, the PG-13 one and the Blu Ray.

So can anyone here help me out in it? I bought the PG-13 version at Walmart on Black Friday for 10 dollars and if there is a 2 disc directors cut I wanna take back the one I bought and put it towards the other one. the price was 22.99

 

[lzzy]

Is the directors Cut only coming to Blu Ray?

I saw something in a Target flyer and said it was a exclusive and it looked like a directors cut two disc. They showed that one, the PG-13 one and the Blu Ray.

So can anyone here help me out in it? I bought the PG-13 version at Walmart on Black Friday for 10 dollars and if there is a 2 disc directors cut I wanna take back the one I bought and put it towards the other one. the price was 22.99

I think the DC is a bluray only, thought apparently there are some special DVD's that have it also. Otherwise the standard DVD's have next to zilch on 'em.