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UPDATE 1-Judge OKs 'Terminator' sale to hedge fund
* Pacificor wins auction with $29.5 million bid
By Alex Dobuzinskis and Emily Chasan

LOS ANGELES/NEW YORK, Feb 10 (Reuters) - The Terminator will be back, but under new ownership.

A U.S. bankruptcy judge said on Wednesday the movie franchise could be sold to California-based, hedge fund Pacificor LLC, ending months of speculation about the future of the iconic film series after its current owner collapsed into bankruptcy in August.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Ernest Robles approved the sale during a hearing in his Los Angeles courtroom, saying it would offer the best deal for the company's unsecured creditors.

He overruled an objection from movie studios Columbia Pictures and Lions Gate Entertainment Corp (LGF.N) who had claimed the auction process was unfair after their joint bid for the franchise was not selected.

Under the deal, Pacificor would have the rights to the revenue from future films, games, DVDs and certain television programming from the franchise.

Halcyon Holding, had acquired the Terminator franchise in 2007 for about $25 million and produced "Terminator Salvation," which took in about $371 million in worldwide box office returns last year.

Halcyon, which had been working on the concept for a fifth Terminator film, fell into bankruptcy amid a dispute with its backers at Pacificor, who had originally financed Halcyon's purchase of the Terminator rights.

Pacificor, Halcyon's largest creditor in the bankruptcy,made a winning "credit bid" of $29.5 million on Monday to acquire the franchise. It also promised to pay an additional $5 million to Halcyon's bankruptcy estate for each future Terminator sequel created.

Pacificor's bid beat out a $35.6 million joint offer from Lions Gate and Columbia Pictures, a unit of Sony Corp (6758.T), which had promised to pay the estate a further $2 million for each of the sixth and seventh Terminator sequels, but no money for the fifth sequel.

In a bankruptcy auction, lenders are allowed to "credit bid," forgiving much of the debt they are owed in exchange for taking control of franchise. The movie studios had contested last minute changes that allowed Pacificor to credit bid up to $38 million.

Judge Robles said he believed the Pacificor deal would lead to a better return for Halcyon's unsecured creditors.

"They have the most at stake here," Robles said.

The sale is the second high profile movie franchise to be sold in the last few months. Nickelodeon paid $60 million for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise in October.

The case is In re: T Asset Acquisition Company LLC, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Central District of California, No. 09-31853.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In addition, an attorney representing "Terminator Salvation" director McG argued that Pacificor and any producers it partners with should be forced to honor McG's right-of-first-refusal to direct future sequels, which was part of his deal with Halcyon. The judge disagreed and said that if McG isn't offered the opportunity to direct the next "Terminator" movie, his attorney can only file a claim against Halcyon in bankruptcy court.

McG is such a tool.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Whew. We're dodging bullets left to right here. Glad Lion's Gate and Sony didn't succeed in their discussions.

Still, who knows what Pacificor will do with this property.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah.

Lion's Gate would have made some terribly acted, cheap ass reboot that wasn't half as good as the original.

Sony would have made two critically and commercially successful Terminator movies directed by a talented director then took over for the third and made it s**tty then they would fire the director after he wanted to actually make another good movie in the franchise. They would then hire and new director to reboot the series and take it back to highschool for no reason.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Sony would have made two critically and commercially successful Terminator movies directed by a talented director then took over for the third and made it s**tty then they would fire the director after he wanted to actually make another good movie in the franchise. They would then hire and new director to reboot the series and take it back to highschool for no reason.

Oh snap!

 

[Doc Ock]

Yeah.

Lion's Gate would have made some terribly acted, cheap ass reboot that wasn't half as good as the original.

Sony would have made two critically and commercially successful Terminator movies directed by a talented director then took over for the third and made it s**tty then they would fire the director after he wanted to actually make another good movie in the franchise. They would then hire and new director to reboot the series and take it back to highschool for no reason.

I have one thing to say to you, I SALUTE YOU SIR!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have one thing to say to you, I SALUTE YOU SIR!

It's madam but I appreciate the comment.

 

[Ipodman]

John connor in high school....

That sounds like the Terminator tv show

 

[Ghostvirus]

I don't really feel like reading this whole thread. I just watched the movie. What exactly was so bad about the movie? I thought it was pretty good.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeah.

Lion's Gate would have made some terribly acted, cheap ass reboot that wasn't half as good as the original.

Sony would have made two critically and commercially successful Terminator movies directed by a talented director then took over for the third and made it s**tty then they would fire the director after he wanted to actually make another good movie in the franchise. They would then hire and new director to reboot the series and take it back to highschool for no reason.

ha ha so true

sony (to talented director) - 'yeah yeah we know terminator 5 and 6 made 2.5 billion but we're calling the shots now'

talented director - 'okay, what do you want to do?'

sony - 'we want you to include venom'

talented director - 'I, what?'

sony - 'venom, we want you to include venom, we're going after the kids demographic. venom and termnator TOGETHER!! cha-ching!!'

 

[spider-neil]

I don't really feel like reading this whole thread. I just watched the movie. What exactly was so bad about the movie? I thought it was pretty good.

there is no character depth. no character grows as a person.
all flash no substance.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^The movie wasnt terrible, but it certainly showed up McG's deficiencies as a director, as you said, all style, no substance.

 

[Deaths Head II]

ha ha so true

sony (to talented director) - 'yeah yeah we know terminator 5 and 6 made 2.5 billion but we're calling the shots now'

talented director - 'okay, what do you want to do?'

sony - 'we want you to include venom'

talented director - 'I, what?'

sony - 'venom, we want you to include venom, we're going after the kids demographic. venom and termnator TOGETHER!! cha-ching!!'

Director: Listen guys, I don't want this Vultress in T4. It's a stupid idea.

Sony: You do what we tell you, Sam!

Director: My name's not Sam.

Sony: Sorry, you remind me of a guy I used to know.

 

[Carnotaur3]

no character grows as a person.

Actually, the arcs are there, they just aren't fleshed out enough.

 

[Ghostvirus]

The only thing I was bummed about. Was that they revealed in the trailer that Marcus was a robot. I mean that would have been a cool twist had they kept it secret. Not to mention they keep it a secret for over half way through the movie.

 

[Doc Ock]

It's madam but I appreciate the comment.

Oh.... Oops.....

ha ha so true

sony (to talented director) - 'yeah yeah we know terminator 5 and 6 made 2.5 billion but we're calling the shots now'

talented director - 'okay, what do you want to do?'

sony - 'we want you to include venom'

talented director - 'I, what?'

sony - 'venom, we want you to include venom, we're going after the kids demographic. venom and termnator TOGETHER!! cha-ching!!'

Indeed!

Director: Listen guys, I don't want this Vultress in T4. It's a stupid idea.

Sony: You do what we tell you, Sam!

Director: My name's not Sam.

Sony: Sorry, you remind me of a guy I used to know.

But I liked Terminator Salvation, but it isn't a very rewatchable movie IMO, I would rather have another copy of T2....

 

[matrix_ghost]

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

EXCLUSIVE: Wisher's Take On 'Terminator'
By MIKE FLEMING | Category: Uncategorized | Thursday February 11, 2010 @ 11:24am
UPDATES Bankruptcy Judge Upholds 'Terminator' Sale; Sony & Lionsgate Get Exclusive Negotiation

Now that Pacificor has pulled the Terminator franchise out of bankruptcy, the question becomes: How to wrap up one of the great sci-fi franchises for hardcore fans who feel neither of the last two installments measured up to the first two that James Cameron directed? Cameron seems unlikely to return to the fold (even though Terminator would fit nicely into the portfolio of 3D films like Fantastic Voyage he’s producing.) But what if I told you his writing partner on the first two films, William Wisher, has scripted a detailed 24-page treatment for Terminator 5, and a 4-page concept outline for Terminator 6? And that I’ve read both?

As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation.Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. . He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:

Wisher’s 2-picture construct takes place in a post-apocalyptic battleground, and factors in an element of time travel that allows for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to interact beyond their single fateful meeting when he traveled back in time to protect her in the original film. Wisher has created a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger that is as surprising as his shift from villain in the first film, to John Connor’s bodyguard in the second. Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be needed until the final film, which wouldn’t shoot until after he ends his term as California Governor. And who wouldn’t want to see Linda Hamilton back in aerobic top fitness form as Sarah Connor?

There are several new villains, and plenty of firepower. For instance, a swarm of “Night Crawlers,” 4 1/2-foot tall border sentries that are set like mines to spring up out of the ground and ambush rebel fighters with 10 MM pistols built into their wrists, and fingers and feet that are razor sharp. Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Wisher presents a satisfying conclusion to what by then would be a 6-picture struggle between Skynet’s machines and John and Sarah Connor to preserve a future that allows mankind to prevail over the machines. I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

 

[Carnotaur3]

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

EXCLUSIVE: Wisher's Take On 'Terminator'
By MIKE FLEMING | Category: Uncategorized | Thursday February 11, 2010 @ 11:24am
UPDATES Bankruptcy Judge Upholds 'Terminator' Sale; Sony & Lionsgate Get Exclusive Negotiation

Now that Pacificor has pulled the Terminator franchise out of bankruptcy, the question becomes: How to wrap up one of the great sci-fi franchises for hardcore fans who feel neither of the last two installments measured up to the first two that James Cameron directed? Cameron seems unlikely to return to the fold (even though Terminator would fit nicely into the portfolio of 3D films like Fantastic Voyage he’s producing.) But what if I told you his writing partner on the first two films, William Wisher, has scripted a detailed 24-page treatment for Terminator 5, and a 4-page concept outline for Terminator 6? And that I’ve read both?

As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation.Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. . He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:

Wisher’s 2-picture construct takes place in a post-apocalyptic battleground, and factors in an element of time travel that allows for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to interact beyond their single fateful meeting when he traveled back in time to protect her in the original film. Wisher has created a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger that is as surprising as his shift from villain in the first film, to John Connor’s bodyguard in the second. Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be needed until the final film, which wouldn’t shoot until after he ends his term as California Governor. And who wouldn’t want to see Linda Hamilton back in aerobic top fitness form as Sarah Connor?

There are several new villains, and plenty of firepower. For instance, a swarm of “Night Crawlers,” 4 1/2-foot tall border sentries that are set like mines to spring up out of the ground and ambush rebel fighters with 10 MM pistols built into their wrists, and fingers and feet that are razor sharp. Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Wisher presents a satisfying conclusion to what by then would be a 6-picture struggle between Skynet’s machines and John and Sarah Connor to preserve a future that allows mankind to prevail over the machines. I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

I don't know about Sarah Connor returning... but Wisher was a big part of Terminator back in the day, and I'd love for him to write the scripts and get involved.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Total pipe-dream. Will never happen. Cool to hear he has a take though.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

EXCLUSIVE: Wisher's Take On 'Terminator'
By MIKE FLEMING | Category: Uncategorized | Thursday February 11, 2010 @ 11:24am
UPDATES Bankruptcy Judge Upholds 'Terminator' Sale; Sony & Lionsgate Get Exclusive Negotiation

Now that Pacificor has pulled the Terminator franchise out of bankruptcy, the question becomes: How to wrap up one of the great sci-fi franchises for hardcore fans who feel neither of the last two installments measured up to the first two that James Cameron directed? Cameron seems unlikely to return to the fold (even though Terminator would fit nicely into the portfolio of 3D films like Fantastic Voyage he’s producing.) But what if I told you his writing partner on the first two films, William Wisher, has scripted a detailed 24-page treatment for Terminator 5, and a 4-page concept outline for Terminator 6? And that I’ve read both?

As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation.Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. . He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:

Wisher’s 2-picture construct takes place in a post-apocalyptic battleground, and factors in an element of time travel that allows for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to interact beyond their single fateful meeting when he traveled back in time to protect her in the original film. Wisher has created a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger that is as surprising as his shift from villain in the first film, to John Connor’s bodyguard in the second. Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be needed until the final film, which wouldn’t shoot until after he ends his term as California Governor. And who wouldn’t want to see Linda Hamilton back in aerobic top fitness form as Sarah Connor?

There are several new villains, and plenty of firepower. For instance, a swarm of “Night Crawlers,” 4 1/2-foot tall border sentries that are set like mines to spring up out of the ground and ambush rebel fighters with 10 MM pistols built into their wrists, and fingers and feet that are razor sharp. Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Wisher presents a satisfying conclusion to what by then would be a 6-picture struggle between Skynet’s machines and John and Sarah Connor to preserve a future that allows mankind to prevail over the machines. I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

Count me in, but will it ever happen?.... properly not.

 

[spider-neil]

T3 and TS forget that it was the characters that made the first 2 termintor movies so good. enough with the winks and the nods to the past movies; I'll be back, come with me if you want to live...zzzzzzzzzzzzz
make you own movie, focus on the characters and THE use the effects a tool rather than a crutch.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Total pipe-dream. Will never happen. Cool to hear he has a take though.

The fact that he's written it at all means he's going to be pushing it to either studio Pacificor choses to make the films. Maybe it won't happen, but Wisher isn't sitting on his ass with this stuff to consider it fan fiction.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Oh please, oh please, oh please, happen.

We don't need a pointless reboot like what Lions Gate wants, but from what is said, that sounds exactly like what the Terminator franchise needs.

 

[Doc Ock]

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

EXCLUSIVE: Wisher's Take On 'Terminator'
By MIKE FLEMING | Category: Uncategorized | Thursday February 11, 2010 @ 11:24am
UPDATES Bankruptcy Judge Upholds 'Terminator' Sale; Sony & Lionsgate Get Exclusive Negotiation

Now that Pacificor has pulled the Terminator franchise out of bankruptcy, the question becomes: How to wrap up one of the great sci-fi franchises for hardcore fans who feel neither of the last two installments measured up to the first two that James Cameron directed? Cameron seems unlikely to return to the fold (even though Terminator would fit nicely into the portfolio of 3D films like Fantastic Voyage he’s producing.) But what if I told you his writing partner on the first two films, William Wisher, has scripted a detailed 24-page treatment for Terminator 5, and a 4-page concept outline for Terminator 6? And that I’ve read both?

As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation.Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. . He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:

Wisher’s 2-picture construct takes place in a post-apocalyptic battleground, and factors in an element of time travel that allows for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to interact beyond their single fateful meeting when he traveled back in time to protect her in the original film. Wisher has created a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger that is as surprising as his shift from villain in the first film, to John Connor’s bodyguard in the second. Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be needed until the final film, which wouldn’t shoot until after he ends his term as California Governor. And who wouldn’t want to see Linda Hamilton back in aerobic top fitness form as Sarah Connor?

There are several new villains, and plenty of firepower. For instance, a swarm of “Night Crawlers,” 4 1/2-foot tall border sentries that are set like mines to spring up out of the ground and ambush rebel fighters with 10 MM pistols built into their wrists, and fingers and feet that are razor sharp. Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Wisher presents a satisfying conclusion to what by then would be a 6-picture struggle between Skynet’s machines and John and Sarah Connor to preserve a future that allows mankind to prevail over the machines. I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

I would love to see this happen.....but not sure if it will, I will be positive.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I honestly think that this does have a chance of happening.

- Even though it won't be a reboot like Lions Gate wants, it sounds like it has the more important element that they do want: a movie that is less effects driven and more character driven while going back to basics (the original future from the first two Terminator films).

- Sony probably would rather have a loosely connected sequel than a reboot because they had a lot of success with Terminator 3 and Terminator: Salvation.

- Sony and Lions Gate would really promote this as a return to the original films with William Wishers involvement.

- Sony and Lions Gate would probably want to get a film started as soon as possible and here you go. A treatment already written by someone who has some serious Terminator cred.