The Last Jedi TFA vs TLJ

[Lord]

Blade Runner 2049 is everything TFA is not. An homage, a series of callbacks, but also its own film that builds on its predecessor. TFA is a very expensive rehash.

TFA was even released in the same year of other successful reboots/ sequels: Jurassic World, Mad Max: Fury Road and Creed.

I still think Fury Road was the most accomplished of the group. Was true to the original films in tone and spirit but still did something different and introduced brand new concepts and locations.

I vote for TLJ, but i still think more can be done with the franchise.

 

[fire117]

I didn't even vote. Burn 'em both to the ground

Agreed and afterwards, erase the 'films' from the official canon and start again with a new trilogy set 100 years after Episode 6.

 

[Brother Jack]

"I don't like something therefore it shouldn't exist."

 

[fire117]

"I don't like something therefore it shouldn't exist."

A lot of people hate TFA and TLJ so I say make them non-canon and restart this sequel trilogy again set 100 years after ROTJ and this time do it right, with no Mary-Sue lead characters.

 

[Grootster]

A lot of people hate TFA and TLJ so I say make them non-canon and restart this sequel trilogy again set 100 years after ROTJ and this time do it right, with no Mary-Sue lead characters.

Even if they were to do that, it would most likely be the same team of executives in charge of the series (meaning it would probably turn out about the same). For me it's too late to restart the sequel trilogy (and it's certainly too late to remake it since Carrie Fisher is gone.) My hope is just for good movies moving forward, regardless of whether or not this trilogy is canon.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A lot of people hate TFA and TLJ so I say make them non-canon and restart this sequel trilogy again set 100 years after ROTJ and this time do it right, with no Mary-Sue lead characters.

Combined TFA and TLJ havemade over $3 billion dollars WW at the cinema alone. They aren’t going to be made non-canon, you should accept that will never happen.

And that’s coming from someone who hadn’t plenty of problems with TLJ.

 

[Frodo]

A lot of people hate TFA and TLJ so I say make them non-canon and restart this sequel trilogy again set 100 years after ROTJ and this time do it right, with no Mary-Sue lead characters.

I'm not crazy about TFA and TLJ , though my solution is to end the saga films after Episode 9 and stick to shared universe trilogies and spin offs. After Ben Solo the Skywalker family saga should truly end. No episode 10,11, 12 ...20. End it .

Go all in on the spin off , new franchise, and new trilogy routes, i.e. what they're already doing in animation shows, books etc. except with live action films . Expand the universe beyond episodes 1-9 and its characters, make a break and start something new without the baggage of OT, PT and NT.

That pleases people who basically don't want the OT sullied and those who are demanding new fresh ideas and risks.

 

[Spider-Fan]

A lot of people hate TFA and TLJ so I say make them non-canon and restart this sequel trilogy again set 100 years after ROTJ and this time do it right, with no Mary-Sue lead characters.

This is literally never going to happen. The ST has made Disney loads of money. It will not be rebooted or removed from continuity. At least the official Disney continuity. If you want to make your own head cannon, that is on you. But, we will never see Episode 7-9 done ever again.

 

[Grootster]

I'm not crazy about TFA and TLJ , though my solution is to end the saga films after Episode 9 and stick to shared universe trilogies and spin offs. After Ben Solo the Skywalker family saga should truly end. No episode 10,11, 12 ...20. End it .

Go all in on the spin off , new franchise, and new trilogy routes, i.e. what they're already doing in animation shows, books etc. except with live action films . Expand the universe beyond episodes 1-9 and its characters, make a break and start something new without the baggage of OT, PT and NT.

That pleases people who basically don't want the OT sullied and those who are demanding new fresh ideas and risks.

I agree 100%. I really can't imagine how they'll be able to keep pumping out saga movies without them getting too repetitive (unless it just becomes pure self-aware parody, which is likely by the time they get to Episode 30 or so.) You can only do a handful of things in them. It's my humble opinion that we probably shouldn't even be getting a sequel trilogy. There's so much more to explore in spinoffs, where they can literally do anything they want with a lot less limitations.

 

[Consona]

I'm not crazy about TFA and TLJ , though my solution is to end the saga films after Episode 9 and stick to shared universe trilogies and spin offs. After Ben Solo the Skywalker family saga should truly end. No episode 10,11, 12 ...20. End it .

Go all in on the spin off , new franchise, and new trilogy routes, i.e. what they're already doing in animation shows, books etc. except with live action films . Expand the universe beyond episodes 1-9 and its characters, make a break and start something new without the baggage of OT, PT and NT.

That pleases people who basically don't want the OT sullied and those who are demanding new fresh ideas and risks.

Great suggestion. After two movies it's absolutely obvious they don't know what to do with the Skywalker saga, even Lucas failed to give us proper saga movies and these two Disney films crossed the into the prequels territory already...

But you still need competent writers and directors, both TFA and TLJ had such a bad/non-existent story, bad character writing, etc., not being a saga movies would not help. Get rid of Abrams who f***ed up Star Wars and Star Trek, what a résumé, don't give Johnson his own trilogy, he can't even write 20 minutes of a good plot, not to mention whole movie or trilogy, ffs. And fire Kennedy whose main goal seems to be forcing her views and agendas down our throats instead of making good movies.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Kennedy was/is a a staple part of Lucasfilm that defined the 80's productions and beyond and was entrusted by George to carry things forward so the likelihood of her moving aside or being 'pushed' are limited to say the least.

 

[Grootster]

Great suggestion. After two movies it's absolutely obvious they don't know what to do with the Skywalker saga, even Lucas failed to give us proper saga movies and these two Disney films crossed the into the prequels territory already...

But you still need competent writers and directors, both TFA and TLJ had such a bad/non-existent story, bad character writing, etc., not being a saga movies would not help. Get rid of Abrams who f***ed up Star Wars and Star Trek, what a résumé, don't give Johnson his own trilogy, he can't even write 20 minutes of a good plot, not to mention whole movie or trilogy, ffs. And fire Kennedy whose main goal seems to be forcing her views and agendas down our throats instead of making good movies.

I'm beginning to think that the OT was a case of lightning that will never strike again. There was a beginning, middle, and end to Luke's story; and trying to make it more than that just doesn't work. It seems like every trilogy they do feels more unnecessary. Spinoffs are fine, but I'm really hoping they just leave the saga films alone after Ep. 9.

 

[Frodo]

I'm beginning to think that the OT was a case of lightning that will never strike again. There was a beginning, middle, and end to Luke's story; and trying to make it more than that just doesn't work. It seems like every trilogy they do feels more unnecessary. Spinoffs are fine, but I'm really hoping they just leave the saga films alone after Ep. 9.

Well, the story was basically over after ROTJ and the prequels were elaborations on the backstories which were sufficiently explained in the OT.

Had 7-9 dealt with new characters and plotlines featured in the film altogether, without the OT characters, they would have had alot more creative freedom.

Instead , they revisited characters and old storylines which were done for all tense and purposes.

But , what's done is done. I do think after 9 they should end the saga series make the break they claim they want to make, and tell new , original stories and spin offs.

 

[HammerDown]

Between these 2 i have a bit of a hard time choosing. But i guess TFA is a bit more solid while TLJ kind of feels disjointed and strange at parts. I'm not a massive SW fan so i don't have any baggage to gravitate towards any of these movies that much. I recognize though that TFA was heavy on nostalgia while TLJ was kind of a bridge between the old and the new with plenty of risks taken and plenty not landing.

The best moment in both of these movies for me was Holdo's sacrifice. It was epic, shocking, beautiful and breathtaking.

 

[batman1]

I watched both like 6 times. So I don't know.

 

[Greens]

Tfa

 

[MaceB]

Great suggestion. After two movies it's absolutely obvious they don't know what to do with the Skywalker saga, even Lucas failed to give us proper saga movies and these two Disney films crossed the into the prequels territory already...

But you still need competent writers and directors, both TFA and TLJ had such a bad/non-existent story, bad character writing, etc., not being a saga movies would not help. Get rid of Abrams who f***ed up Star Wars and Star Trek, what a résumé, don't give Johnson his own trilogy, he can't even write 20 minutes of a good plot, not to mention whole movie or trilogy, ffs. And fire Kennedy whose main goal seems to be forcing her views and agendas down our throats instead of making good movies.

Crossed the line into prequel territory? Uh huh.......

 

[godisawesome]

I vehemently disagree with the idea that TLJ has Prequel level scripting, acting, or directing... But I would argue that TLJ's plotting and lack of focus on the new stars calls to mind TPM, especially in the way that the protagonist is an imminently debateable topic, though in a weird kind of mirror universe weakness in regards to the lore work in TPM versus the regression and small scale politics of TLJ.

By the way, here's the debate version of this argument on our podcast. We limited our discussion area to the treatment of Finn and Rey in both films, the usage of Han and Luke, and the Starkiller Base plotline vs the Space Chase. If you guys like it, feel free to visit out tumblr page and leave that feedback.
https://www.buzzsprout.com/132209/675266-star-wars-the-force-awakens-vs-the-last-jedi

 

[godisawesome]

I vehemently disagree with the idea that TLJ has Prequel level scripting, acting, or directing... But I would argue that TLJ's plotting and lack of focus on the new stars calls to mind TPM, especially in the way that the protagonist is an imminently debateable topic, though in a weird kind of mirror universe weakness in regards to the lore work in TPM versus the regression and small scale politics of TLJ.

By the way, here's the debate version of this argument on our podcast. We limited our discussion area to the treatment of Finn and Rey in bith films, the usage of Han and Luke, and the Starkiller Base plotline vs the Space Chase. If you guys like it, feel free to visit out tumblr page and leave that feedback.
https://www.buzzsprout.com/132209/675266-star-wars-the-force-awakens-vs-the-last-jedi

 

[rashad]

TFA. It's not even close.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

The Prequels are poor actual Star Wars.
The new movies are good faux-Star Wars. But they don't quite feel like real Star Wars.

 

[BatLobster]

Blade Runner 2049 is everything TFA is not. An homage, a series of callbacks, but also its own film that builds on its predecessor. TFA is a very expensive rehash.

It's true. As I was watching BR 2049, I couldn't help but think...man, imagine if Episode VII was handled with this much gravitas and felt more like a new story that was a spiritual successor to what came before? Granted, TFA is one of the most successful movies of all time and BR 2049 was a box office bomb...so...

I still like TFA, mind you. But since it was the one and only chance to set the course for the sequel trilogy, I'm always going to view it as a semi-missed opportunity to do something bigger/greater. Less of a reboot and more of an epic continuation.

TLJ, while not perfect, at least made an attempt to take that bigger swing. So I'm more partial to it.

Overall, I still need to see Episode IX to form a full opinion on what this new trilogy is and how each of the movies sits in context.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's true. As I was watching BR 2049, I couldn't help but think...man, imagine if Episode VII was handled with this much gravitas and felt more like a new story that was a spiritual successor to what came before? Granted, TFA is one of the most successful movies of all time and BR 2049 was a box office bomb...so...

I still like TFA, mind you. But since it was the one and only chance to set the course for the sequel trilogy, I'm always going to view it as a semi-missed opportunity to do something bigger/greater. Less of a reboot and more of an epic continuation.

TLJ, while not perfect, at least made an attempt to take that bigger swing. So I'm more partial to it.

Overall, I still need to see Episode IX to form a full opinion on what this new trilogy is and how each of the movies sits in context.

It’s funny though because I think BR2049 does a much better job of moving the world/story forward without crapping on the stuff/movies that came before than TLJ does. Declared especially was handled so much better than Luke was.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There isn't much to crap on. Blade Runner was a cursed world with sinful characters. Nobody idolized or looked up to Decard. This is different from the worship, idolatry, and day dreaming about the Jedi order. It needed to be torn down and rebuilt.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's true. As I was watching BR 2049, I couldn't help but think...man, imagine if Episode VII was handled with this much gravitas and felt more like a new story that was a spiritual successor to what came before? Granted, TFA is one of the most successful movies of all time and BR 2049 was a box office bomb...so...

I still like TFA, mind you. But since it was the one and only chance to set the course for the sequel trilogy, I'm always going to view it as a semi-missed opportunity to do something bigger/greater. Less of a reboot and more of an epic continuation.

TLJ, while not perfect, at least made an attempt to take that bigger swing. So I'm more partial to it.

Overall, I still need to see Episode IX to form a full opinion on what this new trilogy is and how each of the movies sits in context.

I ain't got much hope. Jay Jay will gift us some cookie cutter crap in a convoluted package. As he always does.