Age of Ultron Thanos' role in Age of Ultron

[KINGTHANOS]

If Thanos has the time gem in the future and the mind gem and is already a genius beyond levels of Tony Stark, Hank Pym and Bruce Banner mixed. Why doesn't he think about going back in time to stop the Avengers/Gaurdians and other heroes before they can assemble and rise up to stop him?

Does the time gem give him the power to see into the future? I'd imagine it would. Just something to think about. It'd make a great alternate comic or movie ending, where Thanos does this and becomes supreme ruler of the universe.

Way off topic but just a thought.

Short answer; ego. Thanos' biggest fault is his galaxy sized ego, and he believes it's impossible for anyone to trump him, so he never places much weight in distractions of potential threats. He's a master strategist, but only to the point where he can exert the most minimal effort possible to attain his desires.

Any time he's bordering on God-level power in the comics, he just doesn't give a crap about adversity. It's not that he's worried or even needs to plan, he just his arrogant enough to believe it's an annoyance and nothing more in his current quest. It's the reason why he didn't give a crap when Ronin killed the Other in GOTG, and looked disgusted when Ronin challenged him with the power stone. He just considers it an annoyance not as any sort of threat.

The only time Thanos engages in battle is for his own amusement, never because he feels he has to. It's one of the best qualities about the character. He's like a master class chess player in battles or in plights, and he always has an ideal result in mind when he begins a quest, but he never let's anyone on to it until he attains it. Things almost never turn out the way he wants, which is why he subconsciously sabotages his own plans. In Infinity Gauntlet, he hoped to attain Death's heart as an equal, but it backfired, as he was her superior, so he began acting illogicaly to give the protagonists a fighting chance and to overthrow him and a grand twist.

The thing is, if Thanos doesn't attain what he truly desires, then his plight devolves into simply entertaining himself and/or philisophical curiousity.

 

[MbJ]

I hope that Thanos isn't "pulling the strings" in AOU in any major way. He can have some sort of minor presence, but Ultron is a great Earth-based and Earth-created threat for the Avengers. I think it's important that it stays that way, especially since they'll be dealing with huge cosmic threats in the next two Avengers films.

Indirectly probably. The scepter gives sentience to Ultron and though I doubt it was Thanos' plan (seriously I'm sure he didn't mean for Loki to get captured and fail to get the Tesseract) it's only on Earth because of him.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Will we see Thanos before the mid credits scene?

 

[MbJ]

Will we see Thanos before the mid credits scene?

How would anyone here know this without seeing the movie?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

How would anyone here know this without seeing the movie?

Good point.

 

[Pecola1]

It is a question we should ask though.
I like how we have to call it mid-credits scene vs after credits now. XD

 

[Wildcard]

Mid-credits would probably be best, though. *crosses fingers*

 

[TheVision]

I was thinking if Thanos knew about Ultron he'd be sorta impressed by him. Like: Hey that robot isnt bad!

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

How would anyone here know this without seeing the movie?

Why even respond?

I'm thinking he's in the actual movie since they usually don't say someone's in the credits for a after credits scene

 

[MbJ]

Why even respond?

Because you asked a question?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Because you asked a question?

So by your logic we shouldn't speculate anything on this site for movies we haven't seen.

 

[MbJ]

So by your logic we shouldn't speculate anything on this site for movies we haven't seen.

No, speculating is fine, but you phrased your question as though there's definitive answer right now or that someone here has insider knowledge. "Do you think we'll see Thanos?" or "When will we see Thanos?" make more sense.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

So how does everyone think he'll look? His design in GotG was a little underwhelming imo the The Avengers tease look was a lot better.

Joss dialogue is also much better Gunn really didn't make The Other or Thanos seem as cool as they were in the first Avengers.

 

[craigdbfan]

The Russo brothers will probably make him appear far more menacing.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Hopefully so but I think Whedon is going to have some killer dialogue here for Thanos. I predict it'll be similar in tension levels and excellent dialogue like the Loki/Thor scene on the mountain in Avengers.

Definitely think Loki will be in Thanos cameo.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Spoiler

Sooooooo about that mid credits scene. I thought the gaunlet was on asgard?

 

[ctsketch]

As is Loki....Thanos' ally...probably gave it to him..or that gauntlet trully was just an easter egg

 

[MbJ]

The Gauntlet itself is just a glove. It doesn't serve any real purpose other than to hold the gems so I doubt it's relevant. My guess is it was just an easter egg before Marvel decided they wanted Phase 3 to be about the Infinity Gems.

 

[Mjölnir]

Please use spoiler tags. This isn't an open spoilers thread and I didn't want to get spoiled of what the mid credits scene was about.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Spoiler

The mid-credits scene seems to imply that the gauntlet itself seems to be specifically manufactured by Thanos to harness the stones' powers, and the only reason he has held off going after them himself was because it wasn't completed yet, which it finally was at the time of that scene (hence Thanos' line).

 

[MIKE10]

So now we know it for sure..

Spoiler

Thanos was behind the Ultron's creation...his virus in the scepter just made stark/banners program evil and started it.....

 

[hoy-small-fry]

^ No we don't. There's nothing to even hint at that

For that to make sense, Thanos would have needed to know Loki would fail, that Stark would be developing an AI, that Stark would end up with the scepter and Thanos himself be a programmer...

 

[MbJ]

Not necessarily. I'm not sure I buy that theory but it doesn't hinge on him KNOWING Loki would fail. [BLACKOUT] Hypothetically, Ultron could have been a back-up or fail safe plan in case the initial invasion failed. Thus when the heroes defeated or killed Loki and then took a look at his cosmic scepter, it'd infect their computers or whatever [/BLACKOUT].

 

[metaphysician]

Not necessarily. I'm not sure I buy that theory but it doesn't hinge on him KNOWING Loki would fail. [BLACKOUT] Hypothetically, Ultron could have been a back-up or fail safe plan in case the initial invasion failed. Thus when the heroes defeated or killed Loki and then took a look at his cosmic scepter, it'd infect their computers or whatever [/BLACKOUT].

I don't think it was Ultron, specifically, he had in mind. Ultron was a creation of Tony Stark, after all. However, a more general booby trapping, so that whoever ends up with the scepter can be screwed with in some terrible way? That seems certain.

 

[drod1985]

I posted this in another thread, but I had this same discussion with a friend of mine. Did Thanos really have any influence on Ultron's creation?

Spoiler

I kept that in mind as I watched AOU a second time, and did not find one thing to imply Thanos had a hand in this plot. It seems more like the mind stone was just able to grant sentience to each the Ultron protocol and the Jarvis protocol. Tony figured out Jarvis would work when he realized Jarvis did all he could to protect himself and the Earth by guarding the missile codes.