"That was not the way it was written": X3 writer on the movie

[Goddessreicho]

Yeah, that one. The hysterical-gone-berzerk Jean in X3 with no soul, no conflict, no personality except during her brief reunion at Alkali Lake. A cross between Carrie, and Lucy from Bram SToker's Dracula. "Come to me, Jonathan..."? More like "Come to me, Scott Summers..."

Scott? What's a Scott? Is that a tasty treat? More like "Come here Logan. Follow the arrow that point this way down."

A conclusion to a storyarc/ End of a trilogy? That'd be one hell of a way to end things, wouldn't it? That or it could then be truly seen as a bad dream

Shhh...you can't keep telling people how much of a craptacular storyline the End was just because there was no logic in the ending. It proves that storylines about opmnipotent characters just blow.

To some people, that would be considered a brilliant way to portray just how mean and nasty and tormented she is. To the rest of us? Which again wouldn't make sense for someone to be like this after just a few months ago heroically giving up her life to save everyone else's. Now she's back and blasting away the same people she saved without a moment's hesitation. WTH?

ACK! Logic and continutity...NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!

Don't forget she got help from digital makeup

Hahahahaaaaaa! How could I forget that it wasn't her. Damn, poor Famke. Even her looks weren't her own, as well as the cherry kool-aid red hair that burnt through my renta.

She had emotion, but it was too one-sided IMHO. there was no good side, no hint of struggle or conflict or regret. More like Jean Grey: Bad, Insane, Berzerk, and Loving It!!!

I think she lacked the intitative to join a side, and was even more wooden looking cause she refused to make up her mind. It was a bad move in a line of bad moves from everyone envolved

 

[gambitfire]

The fire was taken out by FOX, The writers did fight for the Phoenix saga to be in the movie but not only did they write it wrong but FOX overwhelmed it making it the meaningless sub-story that it was.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

i think now that FOX will never let anyone ever make a good X-men film.

Its wonderful how they lose such a chance of winning twice the money X3 made just because they're lazy ass. Damn, they need more intelligent (or at least with a minimun amount of intelect) people to work there. What a bunch of dumb executives without vision of future. If they made a good X3 i would watch it at least the number of times i watched X2: 8. Instead, i watched X3 once and it was enough. And i'm pretty sure all the fans would watch it at least twice, specially seeing one of the best X-men storylines.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

I loved the movie.

Other then the fact Jean died
And logan had all the screen time
And Halle took Famkes ST
And there were to many deleted scenes taken out
And it was to short
And mistique lost her powers
ANd rouge lost her powers
And wolverine left the manssion again
And cyclops died...


God, i guess the movie wasnt that good.

 

[ntcrawler]

I loved the movie.

ANd rouge lost her powers

Not lost her powers my friend, willingly gave them up, and for shallow reasons. Oh and it's "Rogue". "rouge" is a form of cosmetic

I agree with your assessment. It's a great movie until you take into account all its flaws. Then it's... not so great

 

[gambitfire]

Nah, Singer would have srewed it up just as much. The first two movies had no character interaction, personality, or essemble attitude. There wasn't any devolpment for single members of the X-men either.

You speak as if this was fact.
But in the end it's only YOUR bad opinion. Bad in my opinion anyways.

The personality less cardboard walkarounds weren't very impressive to many fans.

Speak for yourself

Singer would have written out Storm any way, and contiued down the line of telling a character and personality less story. That would have been boring for a fantasy-sci fi crowd. The pretensious wanna-be artsy fartsy style didn't mix well with people who saw through the rapid fanboy worship. I for one refuse to put up with another Singer trying to be sensitive and realalistic. Last time I checked realastic people who are angry at the world generally have a reason to be that way, or a fairly intresting story to tell, especially when they wield an butt load of power. *coughSTORMcough* If he couldn't handle certain castmembers, then as an exprienced man in charge, it was his job to put it behind him and make sure he got the job down. As a director its his job to get the best proformance possible. That didn't happen.

So in the end your mad over Storm, i can't blame you (holy crap stupid dvd commercial just came on .... ) Storm was done bad from the beginning but even in X2 we saw greater improvements of every character, so it would lead me to believe that X3 would of been more than excellent had Singer stuck around. It's not your opinion i wish to change but keep an open mind here.

I would much rather see a director who has the ability to combine realism, with dialoge, character interaction and devolpment, and action. Something that neither director did, or has ever really done in any of thier movies.

When did Bryan Singer not do that? When he was gave us a beatiful scene with and angry Storm and a soothing well minded Nightcrawler?

Yes there was not much development for most characters but with so many it's hard to do everyone justice especially when you have a studio on your back making you focus on one character.

I don't ever want to see Singer touch anything from Marvel. He needs to learn who to tell an essemble story before he pens another X-men story. There should be no such things as glorified cameos *coughCYCLOPSnSTORM*. The series should have never left out detailed orgin stories about the orginial movie-verse X-men.

Origin? no good director can touch on everyone's origin and tell a good story in 2 hours. Unless we start it off with a bunch of flashbacks and even then i don't think that is a good approach.......hmm something else X3 had

The Wolverine Show really crapped on the concept of the basic concept of the X-Team. That was the problem with the first movie. The writting staff should have been stopped by Fox when the intial idea came about to tell the story through Wolverine.

I agree with the first line but as for the second line.....you do know FOX pushed for this more than the writing team right?

Every since then the quality of the story was doomed.

Again your opinion, i thought we where in good for an awesome X3 right after i saw X2....boy was i wrong.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I loved the movie.

Other then the fact Jean died
And logan had all the screen time
And Halle took Famkes ST
And there were to many deleted scenes taken out
And it was to short
And mistique lost her powers
ANd rouge lost her powers
And wolverine left the manssion again
And cyclops died...


God, i guess the movie wasnt that good.

That didn't happen. Halle listened to the fans and fought for her character to have a purpose and meaning to be in the movie, besides an angry power tool like the other two times. I'm sure that Famke understood that it was soposed to be an ESSEBLE movie. Which is something that none of the writers and directors understood.

It's not like Famke's importance was undermeaned at anytime by Halle at all throuout any of the movies. So, can we PLEASE drop that line of thinking.

 

[gambitfire]

i think now that FOX will never let anyone ever make a good X-men film.

Its wonderful how they lose such a chance of winning twice the money X3 made just because they're lazy ass. Damn, they need more intelligent (or at least with a minimun amount of intelect) people to work there. What a bunch of dumb executives without vision of future. If they made a good X3 i would watch it at least the number of times i watched X2: 8. Instead, i watched X3 once and it was enough. And i'm pretty sure all the fans would watch it at least twice, specially seeing one of the best X-men storylines.

X-Men and FOX don't mix well buddy.

X-Men is too FOX that idea they wish they could have and once they do they don't know what to do with it.

What i mean is that when Marvel was doing TAS they had creative control, meanwhile the FOX network did not and they didn't like that so being the mature studio they are....they cancelled it. So once they had the rights too the movie.....well you've seen the overall resulst. Which is why i don't hold BRYAN SINGER TOO NOTHING, if anything he was the good too all this madness IMO. Except he too kinda pushed for the Wolverine Focus, but most responsibility goes to FOX on that one. .......

 

[BMM]

That didn't happen. Halle listened to the fans and fought for her character to have a purpose and meaning to be in the movie, besides an angry power tool like the other two times. I'm sure that Famke understood that it was soposed to be an ESSEBLE movie. Which is something that none of the writers and directors understood.

It's not like Famke's importance was undermeaned at anytime by Halle at all throuout any of the movies. So, can we PLEASE drop that line of thinking.

And after all of that, she was an even angrier power tool . . . but with most her power scenes left on the cutting room floor.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Your right this is stupid. Halle had all the right to get more screen time. Tehy should have taken it from wolverine though.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Actually gambitfire it's not my opinion that Singer was going to write out Storm. When the release came out for his ideas about x3 and x4, that's is what was there.

That beautiful scene you speak of missed the basic meaning of WHY Storm is so angry. Heck, even Kurt asked why she was such an angry person, and she had no answer. Helloooo. I'm not asking for orgins of every character, just the orginial movie-verse x-men. Not just the one's who are in thier own soap-opera.

Fox is in the business of movie making. They made the decisions and those lead to the biggest gross of the franchise.

With Fox and the writers clashing its no wonder why it sucked for the fans.

 

[X-Maniac]

The trouble is that we all have our own personal visions. If each of us wrote our perfect X-Men scripts, others would complain and say they weren't right.

 

[gambitfire]

That didn't happen. Halle listened to the fans and fought for her character to have a purpose and meaning to be in the movie, besides an angry power tool like the other two times. I'm sure that Famke understood that it was soposed to be an ESSEBLE movie. Which is something that none of the writers and directors understood.

It's not like Famke's importance was undermeaned at anytime by Halle at all throuout any of the movies. So, can we PLEASE drop that line of thinking.

Okay how about this line.

Halle pushed for a bigger role for Storm and got it...hurray....but in the end she couldn't be the Storm i for one wanted her to be. Instead she fell far from the character and potrayed nothing near the Storm i know and love

 

[liamoversion2]

The trouble is that we all have our own personal visions. If each of us wrote our perfect X-Men scripts, others would complain and say they weren't right.

Yeah, but let's just stick to the basics: a lot of fans were thoroughly disappointed with the last cr*p.

It just sucked.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

X-Men and FOX don't mix well buddy.

X-Men is too FOX that idea they wish they could have and once they do they don't know what to do with it.

What i mean is that when Marvel was doing TAS they had creative control, meanwhile the FOX network did not and they didn't like that so being the mature studio they are....they cancelled it. So once they had the rights too the movie.....well you've seen the overall resulst. Which is why i don't hold BRYAN SINGER TOO NOTHING, if anything he was the good too all this madness IMO. Except he too kinda pushed for the Wolverine Focus, but most responsibility goes to FOX on that one. .......

problem is that Luren, Brian, Avi, all of them love Wolverine and can't think of a movie without him. I do think though that if Brian was allowed, he would give focus on more characters (like he showed he intended with jean by all her development in X2)... If they were smart enough, they would make from X-men what 007 is: no matter who plays him, it's still 007. X-men should be a power house, but they decided to focus on Logan (good character, but we DO get tired of his melodrama), making the movies totally dependent on him.

Seriously, they don't really know how to make money out of our pockets.
They prefer spending 100 million on market than on making a better movie.

As for the Halle issue, i do think its a pity that she fought for her character, but it got no better, and i understand that she only wanted to mean something to the story, but the writers and Fox didnt seem to understand this and got her more screen time instead of explanation on anything about her personality...I still have hope of one day seeing a good Storm on cinema, and yes, played by her. I think she has the potential.

 

[BMM]

Actually gambitfire it's not my opinion that Singer was going to write out Storm. When the release came out for his ideas about x3 and x4, that's is what was there.

The producers noted otherwise. Neither Fox or the producers (especially Fox) would have allowed Halle Berry to simply be written out, especially when she showed interest in returning to the franchise in 2003.

 

[gambitfire]

That beautiful scene you speak of missed the basic meaning of WHY Storm is so angry. Heck, even Kurt asked why she was such an angry person, and she had no answer.

She didn't have to be outspoken and blunt her feelings where there, her answer was obvious. Well that's how i felt about it.

Helloooo. I'm not asking for orgins of every character, just the orginial movie-verse x-men. Not just the one's who are in thier own soap-opera.

even then it's still too many origin stories, the important origin stories are Xavier and Magneto and no more. I feel going to every characters origin is pointless unless it plays an important part in the plot.

 

[ntcrawler]

That didn't happen. Halle listened to the fans and fought for her character to have a purpose and meaning to be in the movie, besides an angry power tool like the other two times.

I think the writers either had a sense of humor and took things too literally, or didn't understand Famke's request.

In X2, she wanted her character to fly. So they let her fly - the XJet. In X3, she wanted to have a bigger role. So they made her the team leader and headmistress of the school and Xavier's heir. But neither of the two added any depth to the character or gave us insight into her struggles and personalities or showed us her burden. If anything, Storm's generocity only increased. I mean, here we have the death of a mentor and father figure, and SHE's the one comforting Logan and then the other students. That's quite a strong backbone for her. But who's gonna comfort storm?

I'm sure that Famke understood that it was soposed to be an ESSEBLE movie. Which is something that none of the writers and directors understood.

She did. Which must have been surprising considering Jean had very little or no interaction with most of the cast in X3. I don't know if that's how it was written or not, but here we have a char who's a member of the family, teacher, friend, pal, etc and no one even tries to reach out to her or talk to her. Not even random shout-outs across the prison complex. "Jean! Snap out of it!" Not even something as simple as that.

It's not like Famke's importance was undermeaned at anytime by Halle at all throuout any of the movies. So, can we PLEASE drop that line of thinking.

Not at all. Storm's character didn't try to overshadow the phoenix storyline or cure storylines.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Yea the last stand was a bad name for the movie. Its not the last movie for sure. FOX screwed this up. Igf they make x4 what will it be called the next stand?

 

[gambitfire]

BTW it's ensemble

 

[gambitfire]

LOL it should of been called

X-MEN 3? THE WHAT IF STAND!

 

[flavio_lebeau]

LOL it should of been called

X-MEN 3? THE WHAT IF STAND!

i would love if it was called X3: Dreams. And then the beginning of X4 was Scott waking up.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Okay how about this line.

Halle pushed for a bigger role for Storm and got it...hurray....but in the end she couldn't be the Storm i for one wanted her to be. Instead she fell far from the character and potrayed nothing near the Storm i know and love

Who's fault is that? Halle didn't pen her role. All she wanted was what the fans wanted too. And yet despite all her alledege star power all she got was what we saw in X3. That's not Halle's fault. Any one saying those lines would have appeared as equally as riduculous as she did.

I'm pissed that Storm was basically a blank page. I wanted Scott to show us some kind of leadership abilities. I wanted Kitty to be a bit less of a action-star and more of a normal girl. I wanted Iceman to give at least one funny line. Is this too much to ask?

 

[X-Maniac]

Yea the last stand was a bad name for the movie. Its not the last movie for sure. FOX screwed this up. Igf they make x4 what will it be called the next stand?

X4: Still Standing (?)

(cue Elton John 80s pop song)

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Who's fault is that? Halle didn't pen her role. All she wanted was what the fans wanted too. And yet despite all her alledege star power all she got was what we saw in X3. That's not Halle's fault. Any one saying those lines would have appeared as equally as riduculous as she did.

Couldnt say it better.