The 10 Best Whedon Characters

[Abaddon]

pm ignorer...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

i saw it, i just didn't reply because by the time i got to it, it was like 4 hours on....

get msn

 

[Abaddon]

nevah!

 

[Not Jake]

I'm two discs into Buffy season 7 and Angel season 4. So at this point:

1. Buffy. She's what made me watch the show in the first place, and I still feel for her two discs into my dvd set of season 7. I can't believe I'm almost done with this show
2. Wesley. He's changed sooooo much from the prissy little posing Watcher he started as.
3. Giles. He's the man. Seriously, he's soooo cool. Buffy's figurative dad, well, actually, the Scoobies' dad, and hilariously British yet still a total badass. He just has so many good moments in the series.
4. Angel. So intricately tied with Buffy, with the mythos of the show. He's a great character himself. Like Buffy, it's harder to pinpoint what I like so much, it's just that he's the focus of his show, I guess. It helps.
5. Xander. Funny, likeable, fish-out-of-water, a regular guy surrounded by superpowers. He's out of his depth, yet essential to his superpowered friends because he grounds them.
6. Spike. Badass, funny. Got some character depth with the whole Buffy relationship.
7. Faith. Eliza just eats up the screen whenever she's in an ep. What a great, troubled character.
8. Cordelia. Evolved as much as Wesley.
9. The Mayor. Great baddy. '50s values and yet horribly evil. He was also a pretty good mayor (I remember him checking the shape of the pipes in the sewer system while down there en route to a nefarious deed).
10. Lorne. He's fab


I wish Willow was on the list but ah well. Too many good characters from the Buffyverse for a mere top 10.

 

[Joker]

I really wish they had gone ahead with the BBC Giles spin off, "Ripper"

 

[Whirlysplat]

I really wish they had gone ahead with the BBC Giles spin off, "Ripper"

As do I. Although looking at Doctor Who's faults perhaps it's just as well they didn't!

- Whirly

 

[da creole kid]

1. Buffy
2. The Mayor
3. Xander
4. Willow
5. Angel
6. Faith
7. Gunn
8. Druscilla
9. Anya
10. Jonathan

 

[Qoèlet]

Well... I'd list my top ten but they're all going to be the cast of Firefly. Except for maybe Angel and Angellus... and yes, they're two different characters. Don't try pretend that it's some Manichean psychological split of one messed up, tortured guy. Angel does not have psychological issues... he has GODDAMN DEMON INSIDE OF HIM. This is not the figurative type of demon, it is literally an alien, evil entity which exists inside and yet seperate from the protagonist. That's why they yell at eachother, they're different characters.

 

[LadyVader]

Lorne was GAY!?!?!

 

[The Question]

Well... I'd list my top ten but they're all going to be the cast of Firefly. Except for maybe Angel and Angellus... and yes, they're two different characters. Don't try pretend that it's some Manichean psychological split of one messed up, tortured guy. Angel does not have psychological issues... he has GODDAMN DEMON INSIDE OF HIM. This is not the figurative type of demon, it is literally an alien, evil entity which exists inside and yet seperate from the protagonist. That's why they yell at eachother, they're different characters.

No, they're not. Angelus is not a seperate entity. He is an aspect of Angel's mind. Just as Spike and William Pratt are not seperate individuals. Spike is William Pratt after becoming a vampire and deciding to didtch society's rules and live by his own.

 

[Obi-Ron]

They are the same character, with an important difference - Angelus is Angel without the soul.

 

[da creole kid]

I'd like make an amendment!

remove Jonathan

put in Jayne from "Firefly"

 

[LadyVader]

I'm shocked, shocked I say that no one has mentioned Andrew!

 

[Whirlysplat]

In Buffy it was mentioned millions of times Demons came into the body and possessed it when a vampire transformed a victim. Angelus is not Angel he's a demon possessing Angel and forcing out his soul.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

It was mentioned by Buffy. But it was implyed many times that that was utter BS made up by the Watchers so they wouldn't feel too bad about killing sentient creatures who were simply doing what was in their preadatory nature. Even after Angel regained his soul, Giles held him responsible for the murders commited, and he even held himself responsible. Also, Spike and William Pratt are not two seperate entities. They're the same guy. It's just Spike is William after a few major life changing moments.

 

[da creole kid]

Come on people- where's the love for Jayne!

 

[The Question]

They are the same character, with an important difference - Angelus is Angel without the soul.

Which is an interesting point. Minus a human soul, vampires aaren't generally that dreastically different from how they were as a human. Spike being a perfect example. All of his traits as a vampire stem from his experiences as a human. The vampire is simply what the human was at his or her core, without any of the inhebitions that held them back. Thus, we can cunclude that Angel must have some serious psychological issues.

 

[Timstuff]

Jayne = teh r0xx0rz.

 

[Abaddon]

In Buffy it was mentioned millions of times Demons came into the body and possessed it when a vampire transformed a victim. Angelus is not Angel he's a demon possessing Angel and forcing out his soul.

- Whirly

The demon is no different than on animal.It doesn't have its own identity,so it just adopts that of its host,releasing any inhibitions the person may have had in his or her life.The idea of them being completely separate is bull****,and its one of the aspects I hated about season 4 of Angel.

 

[The Question]

Basically. The vampire and the human are not seperate entities. The vampire is the human who's ditched his or her inhebitions and is basically being true to their inner self, or at the very least the person they've always wanted to be. As a human, William Pratt was a dork. He always wanted to be the tough, working class bad boy who the girls adored. As a vampire, he took on that persona because it's the person he walways wanted to become. Thus, Spike was born. My explanation for Angel's 180 in personality whenever he loses his soul is simply this: He's kind of crazy. He's got homicidal urges that he's constantly fighting against. Really, his condition is comperable to multiple personality disorder. It's just his trigger for his other personality, Angelus, is losing his soul. But there have been a few occasions where we saw glimpses of Angelus in a period where Angel was generally dominant. The time where he allowed the Wolfram and Hart executives to be massacred by Darla and Drussila was one of them.

 

[Abaddon]

No,I do believe the demon itself is separate,but it has no sense of self.And I think Darla's years of nurturing Liam into Angelus,followed by having a soul forced on him caused the schism.By that point Liam was long gone,and he'd adopted the persona of a sociopath.So its possible that Angelus is merely Angel with a soul,instead of the other way around.With it he has Liam's conscience,but not his experiences because he's spent so much time as a vampire.Angel is only a construct.Not quite Angelus,not quite Liam,but something entirely different.

 

[The Question]

I'm not sure that really fits. Liam showed major sadistic tendancies right off the bat. Darla didn't nurture that in him. It was already there. He just needed the right trigger (such as being turned into a vampire) to be set off. I do think that regaining his soul did trigger the schism, but as a human it wasn't so much a multiple personality thing as there was a drakness in him that simply needed the proper trigger to come out. With regaining his soul, he regained some of the cinscience and kindness that he lost over his years of mass murder, which caused the schism. Remember, he spent the better part of a century trying to figure out who he was after that, so his brain was probably trying to sort out everything for a good long while before his better atributes became dominant.

 

[Happenstance]

Which is an interesting point. Minus a human soul, vampires aaren't generally that dreastically different from how they were as a human. Spike being a perfect example. All of his traits as a vampire stem from his experiences as a human. The vampire is simply what the human was at his or her core, without any of the inhebitions that held them back. Thus, we can cunclude that Angel must have some serious psychological issues.

Dont forget though that I think it was Joss himself who mentioned that Spike didnt belong in the vampire world and was unique because he kept a lot of the parts of his humanity.

 

[The Question]

True. But I think that was more Spike's choice than anything else. Most vampires, because of the very euphoric high of being a vampire, see themselves as above humanity. Like they've risen to something better. Spike doesn't harbor such illusions of grandure. He likes humans, likes human societies, and identifies with humans to an extent. He doesn't see himself as superior.

 

[Happenstance]

Unfortunately though we can only perceive these things this way as we have no proper proof. I do agree with you know because from what we do know it makes sense. His speech about things he loves in the human world, not wanting Angelus to destroy it etc