The 2012 Florida Primary

[enterthemadness]

Romney seems to have rebounded in Florida following his impressive showings in recent debates. A nine point lead seems to be the average. Say what you want about the guy, he is a survivor.

Thanks, thanks a lot. Now the Destiny Child's song "Survivor" is in my head.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Romney seems to have rebounded in Florida following his impressive showings in recent debates. A nine point lead seems to be the average. Say what you want about the guy, he is a survivor.

While Romney has certainly improved over his abysmal performances in South Carolina, I think a lot of his rise has to do with that Gingrich always self-destructs himself whenever he's the frontrunner. He's a great underdog candidate, but he just doesn't know how to handle the scrutiny of a frontrunner.

 

[SV Fan]

Romney seems to have rebounded in Florida following his impressive showings in recent debates. A nine point lead seems to be the average. Say what you want about the guy, he is a survivor.

It's easy to be a "survivor" when you can just sit back and outspend the guys you are up against. I am not saying it's a bad strategy because it most likely will win him the nomination for the GOP, but it's not something that I would use to herald how great a campaigner he is.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's easy to be a "survivor" when you can just sit back and outspend the guys you are up against. I am not saying it's a bad strategy because it most likely will win him the nomination for the GOP, but it's not something that I would use to herald how great a campaigner he is.

While the money is a big help, Romney has certainly improved his campaign within the past week after his embarrassment in South Carolina. Instead of acting like he has this in the bag, he's actually learning how to earn the nomination. He's learning how to respond to the inevitable attacks regarding his wealth and time at Bain Capital (which are basically the only things that Obama has).

Another big help is that Gingrich has crashed and burned for a third time now.

 

[Excel]

While Romney has certainly improved over his abysmal performances in South Carolina, I think a lot of his rise has to do with that Gingrich always self-destructs himself whenever he's the frontrunner. He's a great underdog candidate, but he just doesn't know how to handle the scrutiny of a frontrunner.

I think it is moreso that Romney stopped attacking; Romneys attacks on Gingrich are substance heavy and if he continues them, Newt has no shot, regardless of anything newt does.

 

[DACrowe]

While the money is a big help, Romney has certainly improved his campaign within the past week after his embarrassment in South Carolina. Instead of acting like he has this in the bag, he's actually learning how to earn the nomination. He's learning how to respond to the inevitable attacks regarding his wealth and time at Bain Capital (which are basically the only things that Obama has).

Another big help is that Gingrich has crashed and burned for a third time now.

Well that and that Romney has been on every side of every major issue in the last 20 years and is rallying against Obama's signature legislation that is near-identical to his own as governor, is almost offensively inauthentic (especially when he tries to lump himself in with the middle class), and has the charisma and energy of a decaying statue. Though, to borrow a phrase from Stephen Colbert, at least the statue doesn't constantly change its position.

 

[SV Fan]

Well that and that Romney has been on every side of every major issue in the last 20 years and is rallying against Obama's signature legislation that is near-identical to his own as governor, is almost offensively inauthentic

I actually think he could have a point if he argued that Health care should be a State run thing from the beginning. The worst thing he did was try run and act like it never happened before it came so obvious he was lieing he had to change his tune and use the Health Care should be a States issue. if he owned what he did from the start and say it should be a States issue I don't think it would bite him in ass as much.

 

[hippie_hunter]

He has actually been rather consistent with his health care position. He's tried to avoid it at first because he knew it would hurt him in the primary, but he's always stated that it was a state issue because the states know the needs of their citizens better than the federal government. What's biting him in the ass is that Santorum, Perry, and Gingrich have tried to make it look like Romney was promoting a national mandate.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: ROMNEY LEADS GINGRICH BY 14 POINTS IN LATEST FLORIDA POLL
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...point-lead-over-gingrich-in-new-florida-poll/

 

[Raiden]

UPDATE: ROMNEY LEADS GINGRICH BY 14 POINTS IN LATEST FLORIDA POLL
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...point-lead-over-gingrich-in-new-florida-poll/

If Romney does indeed defeat Gingrich in Florida, I think he'll probably wrap up the GOP nomination pretty soon.

 

[Matt]

But I can't see Newt dropping out. Newt has basically decided that if he can't have the presidency, no Republican can. He seems like he will take this right to the convention if need be, even if Romney crosses the 50 % mark for delegates. And unlike Paul, Newt will actually have enough delegates to make a stir.

 

[Raiden]

But I can't see Newt dropping out. Newt has basically decided that if he can't have the presidency, no Republican can. He seems like he will take this right to the convention if need be, even if Romney crosses the 50 % mark for delegates. And unlike Paul, Newt will actually have enough delegates to make a stir.

This is the kind of showtime I'd love to see.

 

[Marx]

While Romney has certainly improved over his abysmal performances in South Carolina, I think a lot of his rise has to do with that Gingrich always self-destructs himself whenever he's the frontrunner. He's a great underdog candidate, but he just doesn't know how to handle the scrutiny of a frontrunner.

It's easy to be a "survivor" when you can just sit back and outspend the guys you are up against. I am not saying it's a bad strategy because it most likely will win him the nomination for the GOP, but it's not something that I would use to herald how great a campaigner he is.

I agree with both points.

 

[enterthemadness]

Romney, Gingrich, Obama =more debt, war, piss poor economy.

 

[Marx]

I do not believe there would be more war under President Obama. Romney and Gingrich on the other hand...

 

[hippie_hunter]

I do not believe there would be more war under President Obama.

Oh so that's why he bombed Libya and is keeping military options open for Iran.

 

[Paradoxium]

But I can't see Newt dropping out. Newt has basically decided that if he can't have the presidency, no Republican can. He seems like he will take this right to the convention if need be, even if Romney crosses the 50 % mark for delegates. And unlike Paul, Newt will actually have enough delegates to make a stir.

Paul and Santorum has been running on the delegate strategy well before Newt. http://youtu.be/-Z9MIiKHgXI
Hit the 3:38 mark near the end.

Oh lord if this happens it will be hilarious.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Oh so that's why he bombed Libya and is keeping military options open for Iran.

Thank you. Liberals need to get it into their heads that Obama is just as likely to start a war with Iran as any Republican. And it's amazing how the same people who protested so much about Bush in Iraq were just fine with an illegal war of aggression so long as it was a Democrat ordering it.

Gotta say, at this point in the primaries I'm pulling for Romney. At least I can tolerate him, whereas I positively cannot stand Newt Gingrich. Anyway, Romney's basically been running a campaign for the last 5 years, so I say he should get an "A" for effort. There is some sense in the Republican tradition of nominating the guy who was runner-up last time.

[Please note this is not an endorsement of Romney. I'm merely picking my favourite corporate warmonger on the Republican side.]

 

[Marx]

Oh so that's why he bombed Libya and is keeping military options open for Iran.

Thank you. Liberals need to get it into their heads that Obama is just as likely to start a war with Iran as any Republican. And it's amazing how the same people who protested so much about Bush in Iraq were just fine with an illegal war of aggression so long as it was a Democrat ordering it.

To me, there's quite a difference between a ground invasion of thousands upon thousands of troops and sending a smaller tactical unit into a country to kill Bin Laden or join a NATO-led operation to strategically bomb a country.

...and I'm not a "liberal" Axl.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

To me, there's quite a difference between a ground invasion of thousands upon thousands of troops and sending a smaller tactical unit into a country to kill Bin Laden or join a NATO-led operation to strategically bomb a country.

...and I'm not a "liberal" Axl.

Okay, correction: people need to get it into their heads. Marx, I wish your politics were a little closer to your namesake.

But tell me - what is the difference? I think you're using the same twisted logic as the Obama administration. They claimed Libya wasn't a war because no U.S. ground troops were involved. Call me crazy, but if some other country started bombing the U.S. mainland and thousands of Americans died, I'm pretty sure Washington would consider that an act of war.

 

[enterthemadness]

Washington has a screwed up logic of things....like Hollywood with well....how Hollywood conducts itself is weird.

 

[enterthemadness]

I think I'll watch stuff on the DVR tonight. Pretty sure no need to check the results...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Hopefully it will be called in an hour for Romney. I have faith in my home state.

 

[hippie_hunter]

9% reporting and Romney has a 52% lead with Gingrich at 26%, Santorum at 12%, Paul at 8%.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Romney is killing it in Tampa which is really good for him, both because it went for McCain last time and because Tampa traditionally determines how the state is going to go.