Eh...actually...A sounds too basic. I prefer B.
The only problem I had with the Allspark was the fact that it was destroyed and we may never see Cybertron in all its glory.
I wish they just would've made the Allspark a source of infinite energy. I don't really dig the idea that casual household appliances could turn into Transformers and form weapons out of thin air.
If that means never going to have to see another Mountain Dew Transformers, I'm fine with it.
going all the way to earth for energy resources...
it's very.....independance day...
Considering the whole "All spark/Matrix" origin involving magic was written way way back in 1985 and then fleshed out again in issues 74 and 75, Simon Furman and Bob Budinsky came up with the "magic cube idea" back in Generation 1.Obviously PLot A, yet they went with PLot B... WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD THINK A MAGIC CUBE WAS A GOOD IDEA? SOMEONE TELL ME!! PLEASE!!!
I'll give you another hint, they got the Allspark out of the original G1 comics written by guys who last names sounds like Furman and Budinsky (except they called it the Matrix, and yes it was easily just as magical).I'll give you a hint, their last names rhyme with Orci and Kurtzman.
Then how come they often looted other planets? In the comics they didn't leave Cybertron for fuel, they left it to save it from an asteroid shower, we've been through this.But that's the thing. They couldn't find it on any planet
Then how come they often looted other planets? In the comics they didn't leave Cybertron for fuel, they left it to save it from an asteroid shower, we've been through this.
Considering the whole "All spark/Matrix" origin involving magic was written way way back in 1985 and then fleshed out again in issues 74 and 75, Simon Furman and Bob Budinsky came up with the "magic cube idea" back in Generation 1.
Well in the movie we don't know exactly where the Transformers themselves came from (which came first the Allspark or the Transformers so to speak), but the Matrix in the comics (as I have explained with examples) could bestowed sentinence upon earth bound Machines. Prowl even suggested that Optimus do just that in the early issues with Earth bound war machines.In all fairness... the Creation Matrix was originally explained as a super-advanced computer program that bestowed sentience on newly built Transformers. I don't think it ever *created* the machines. The Primus mythological stuff and magicness was added way later for whatever reason.
Then how come they often looted other planets?
Okay well in the cartoons they looted Planet Monicus (it should be noted that Planet Monicus indicated Megatron had several planets throughout the galaxy supplying him with energon, couple that with Cyclonus' line "Once the Decepticons held a quadrant in terror" and it seems to imply they were looting a whole galaxies worth of planets), The Planet in The God Gambit, Mars, the Sun, and several unnamed planets over the course of the third season.We were comparing the cartoons and the movie. Leave your elitist comic discussion to yourself please. Mainstream fans never cared about the comics anyway. Way to miss the whole point of the thread.
Energon was highly inconsistent, just inconsistent enough that they could fight over everything and anything, and frequently what they fought over didn't truly exist. Energon wasn't something our planet had and other planets didn't (not until Beast Wars retconned that pearl of knowledge into G1), as a matter a fact energon was used a currency through most of the gallaxy in Season 2 and 3 (as seen in The Gambler). Remember they crashed here, by accident, not by choice. In fact it's never clearly stated WHY the Autobots left in the first place, Megatron just thinks it's over Energon...it's never quiet clear (although WW said it was to escape war). And Megatron himself states Energon is NOT for food in the first episode; he says "we will acquire enough energon to come back to Cybertron and build the ultimate weapon so we can conquer the Universe". Energon could've been a magic cube, and honestly for the most part it was.Maybe because some planets had SOME things they needed or wanted? Earth just so happened to have pretty much everything they required-- naturally. We, humans, can can use rocket fuel to launch the Space Shuttle but you wouldn't want it in your car... you can use nuclear power to power submarine (or create mega-weapon) but you wouldn't want it in your cell-phone.
The point is that "Energon" (not energy) was their food and we don't know what went into it. We don't all eat bagels everyday for sustenance. Neither did they.
And Megatron himself states Energon is NOT for food in the first episode; he says "we will acquire enough energon to come back to Cybertron and build the ultimate weapon so we can conquer the Universe"
Energon was highly inconsistent, just inconsistent enough that they could fight over everything
I wish they just would've made the Allspark a source of infinite energy.
You mean like Energon ?
Once or twice. Once or twice they were also seen eating it which kinda conflicts with them drinking it. And even once or twice it went towards powering rockets, creating devices to destroy the Transformers and even many more times attempting to go into making super weapons.Except they were often seen drinking it.
I know, trust me I know. Transformers did. Transformers much later when Beast Wars came out attempted to shore up all the inconsistencies and plot devices that riddled the old show by writing it things like that. Energon then became a naturally occuring Earth substance rather than "vague sh** that can come from anywhere".Plus I never said Earth had Energon.
Apparently so did other Transformers (as they once tried to make it out of Autobots), and planet Monicus, and Mars, and several moons during Victory, Headmasters and Masterforce. So did most of the galaxy during season 3, so did many other planets during season 2. Apparently there must have been some on Quintessa as well because the Quintessons clearly had access to it. Apparently it was currency throughout much of space, etc. etc. It was Ev-Er-Y-Where.I said Earth had the ingredients to create it.
You're putting way way too much thought into a children's cartoon. Energon was inconsistent because they simply wanted it as a plot device over which Transformers could fight. Not because it was some well thought out molecular compound like salt with multiple uses. The only consistent use for energon was "something blah blah Megatron's power". If they wanted it to be one thing they would have made it one thing, but sadly they didn't.And your quote doesn't really say anything about them NOT using it for food. You know salt's #1 purpose up until 85 years ago was for preserving food to keep it from rotting. Big business.. and it was crucial business.
Stop and think about this long and hard before you again respond. This was a show for eight year olds. Not for thinking conscious adults. It had a lot of red tape and was forced to churn out episodes at a high rate. It was also peddling toys, action figures to be precise. Yet you're over analyzing it like it's Shakespeare. It was inconsistent as a substance because it was a plot device, plain and simple. Kids don't really care, and furthermore don't really notice when Megatron is using Energon to build ultimate devices one week and drinking it the next. If that kind of logic existed in a film, trust me, it would flop.That doesn't say anything about salt's actual nutritional value-- and the fact that we actually like to eat it. Likewise, petroleum can make everything from vaseline, motor oil, to gasoline. With enough of it, you can also make a super-weapon. Same with "Energon" apparently.
Written in 1984. So therefore not an analogy to our times. That's like saying Edgar Allen Poe wrote about George W Bush. IT was a children's toy commercial, not a sophisticated analogy. If they wanted that then they wouldn't have lifted G.I.Joe's plot and used it for a new toyline.That makes perfect sense... for the reasons I just stated. It's the perfect analogy for our times
Again you're writing "CFlashes Transformers" and then retroactively claiming somehow it's the old cartoon. It's not, get over it. This is the height of fanboyism.... them being machines and all. It's actually pretty mature if you ask me and sure beats a magic box.
Plot B: The transformers were created by a magic cube called the All-Spark, the all-spark can bring to life any machine doesn't matter what it is or how basic, the autobots and decepticons lived peacefully till Megatron try to steal the cube to make an army of evil robots, somehow the cube gets magically lost and magically ends up on earth, The decepticons go searching for it, Megatron crashlands on earth and remains frozen for many year somehow he's magically awakened, and alerts other decepticons the magic allspark is on earth thus triggering the autobots trying to stop megatron from getting the allspark"
Transformers was historically a mutually supportive trio of toys, cartoons and comicbooks. Now that a live action feature film has been added to the mix it's easy to come up with comparisons between this new venture and the old ones. To accuse someone of elitism because they refer to one of the sources of Transformers lore that doesn't happen to be the cartoon is in itself an act of elitism. In point of fact there has only been one elitist post in this entire thread and it's yours Boiiinng.We were comparing the cartoons and the movie. Leave your elitist comic discussion to yourself please. Mainstream fans never cared about the comics anyway. Way to miss the whole point of the thread.
Written in 1984. So therefore not an analogy to our times. That's like saying Edgar Allen Poe wrote about George W Bush. IT was a children's toy commercial, not a sophisticated analogy. If they wanted that then they wouldn't have lifted G.I.Joe's plot and used it for a new toyline.
Again you're writing "CFlashes Transformers" and then retroactively claiming somehow it's the old cartoon. It's not, get over it. This is the height of fanboyism.
Transformers much later when Beast Wars came out attempted to shore up all the inconsistencies and plot devices that riddled the old show by writing it things like that. Energon then became a naturally occuring Earth substance rather than "vague sh** that can come from anywhere".