The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Tobias]

A Captain America movie made more money on it's OD/OW than a Spider-Man movie.....



...If you had told me that a few years ago....I...

The final numbers are not in. Spidey could exceed Cap's numbers.

 

[Arach Knight]

I agree with you. If Disney was interested in sharing properties, they wouldn't have acquired Marvel Studios and Lucas Films.

Disney bought Lucas Arts and Marvel because both companies are adept at drawing in the male audience. Disney is the unquestioned reigning champion of the young girls market. However, Disney needed to expand to the male market and acquiring well established properties made more sense than attempting to compete with them. It was purely a business move and a practical move. It had nothing to do with sharing versus not-sharing.

A Captain America movie made more money on it's OD/OW than a Spider-Man movie.....



...If you had told me that a few years ago....I...

Captain America:The Winter Soldier is essentially Avengers 1.5. I have seen that description floating around on Facebook. The appeal for Captain America is that it will pay off with another team up that is first setup throughout a series of solo films. Spider-Man has no such world to contribute to, which is why Sony is (foolishly) building a cinematic universe for Spider-Man (Venom, Sinister Six).

 

[Raiden]

Its not that surprising.once you consider one film is better made than the other.

TWS also has lower budget than TASM2 so it is easier for it to recoup its investment and make a profit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Avengers 1.5 or not Captain America 2 is a great movie, I can't say the same for old Webhead's latest outting.

 

[DigificWriter]

Avengers 1.5 or not Captain America 2 is a great movie, I can't say the same for old Webhead's latest outting.

I can.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Its not that surprising.once you consider one film is better made than the other.

It's not surprising now, but a few years ago? Forget about it.

 

[Marvin]

People should get over the idea that brands are invincible in spite of circumstance and are instead almost wholly slave to such things.

Batman Begins being a primary example.

Like Casino Royale and it's sequel, Spiderman is currently in the state of post overdue reboot with a new cast. Safe to say ASM didn't break any spiderman records. And no ties to 'the events of newyork'. The only expectation on it's opening numbers is that they should be 'good' and better than the last. It takes a certain kind of film/situation to open over 120mill imo.

People act like there is no way a single issue of a Captain america Comic book could outsell a spiderman/superman comic book.
Films are even more of their own world interms of what the GA think and regardless of what fans consider 'A-Z list'. Blade and Transformers are examples of this. The state of the franchise and the momentum and what it has to offer that is worth our time as it relates to the GA is all that matters.

Who would have believed a reboot to planet of the apes would make more than Cap and Hulk....and Thor...

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Disney bought Lucas Arts and Marvel because both companies are adept at drawing in the male audience. Disney is the unquestioned reigning champion of the young girls market. However, Disney needed to expand to the male market and acquiring well established properties made more sense than attempting to compete with them. It was purely a business move and a practical move. It had nothing to do with sharing versus not-sharing.

Of course its a business move. Disney believes in vertical integration. Disney's not interested in just distributing and marketing the movies. It doesn't want a piece of the pie, it wants the whole shebang.

 

[Tobias]

People should get over the idea that brands are invincible in spite of circumstance and are instead almost wholly slave to such things.

Batman Begins being a primary example.

Like Casino Royale and it's sequel, Spiderman is currently in the state of post overdue reboot with a new cast. Safe to say ASM didn't break any spiderman records. And no ties to 'the events of newyork'. The only expectation on it's opening numbers is that they should be 'good' and better than the last. It takes a certain kind of film/situation to open over 120mill imo.

Good point!

I thought Spidey was invincible as a film franchise. Like most felt.

I think Batman is invincible as a film franchise but not as much as I did. WB assumes putting Batman in their next film automatically means massive success like the Nolan film. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. That will be an interesting BO to follow.

Maybe too finally there is superhero film fatigue just starting to peak in? People keep saying it will happen and it hasn't so far but who knows.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

People should get over the idea that brands are invincible in spite of circumstance and are instead almost wholly slave to such things.

Batman Begins being a primary example.

Like Casino Royale and it's sequel, Spiderman is currently in the state of post overdue reboot with a new cast. Safe to say ASM didn't break any spiderman records. And no ties to 'the events of newyork'. The only expectation on it's opening numbers is that they should be 'good' and better than the last. It takes a certain kind of film/situation to open over 120mill imo.

People act like there is no way a single issue of a Captain america Comic book could outsell a spiderman/superman comic book.
Films are even more of their own world interms of what the GA think and regardless of what fans consider 'A-Z list'. Blade and Transformers are examples of this. The state of the franchise and the momentum and what it has to offer that is worth our time as it relates to the GA is all that matters.

Who would have believed a reboot to planet of the apes would make more than Cap and Hulk....and Thor...

It's just not a good thing when a studio increases the budget for a sequel yet it makes less money than the predecessor.

It's also partly to do with expectations. A lot of people on this forum expected TASM2 to make at least $800 million or more so anything below that will be seen as a disappointment. On the other hand most people expected Cap 2 to end up in the $500-600 million range so anything above that will be seen as a success.

 

[jmc]

Reading the last few pages there's a real sense of panic with some posters. People need to calm down, what's done is done and there's nothing anyone can do about the outcome of this movie now.

Now is the time for reflection and forward thinking. Sony can't just rely on the Spider-Man name to get bums on seats anymore, the film itself has to be a good quality and this is where Sony have taken their eye off the ball, this is not unlike what WB did in the mid 90's with Batman. WB assumed in could just slap the Batman logo on any film and people would come to see it. It would take 7 years before the character would recover. The parallels with what Sony are doing are kinda scary if you ask me. On top of that they spent too much money on this movie, if a film is needing $750 million+ to break even then there are serious problems from within the studio that need addressing, and unfortunately they are dragging Spider-Man down with them.

So what are the options? First things first, if you didn't enjoy the film you as a fan are not obliged to see it again just because you love the character. Some fans do this because they feel they have to support the film in order to get a sequel, the truth is all you're doing is sending Sony a message saying 'make more of this please'. Save your money.

Second, there is the returning to Marvel/Disney option which on paper seems good but given where the MCU currently is it's difficult to see how you incorporate a rebooted Spider-Man in that universe. I think Marvel would do a better job overall, or at the very least create a film consistent with their catalog to date, but at the same to hard to see where Spider-Man can fit within that universe.

Last, perhaps it's time fans send a message to Sony about what they want for Spider-Man. Back in 1997 us Batman fans had little way of telling WB how we felt about what they did to our character, Spidey fans have an advantage today with social media to ensure Sony hear you. I'm sympathetic because as much as I'm a Batman guy I've always had a soft spot for Spider-Man and would hate to see the same thing happened to Spidey fans as happened to us Batman folks.

 

[Raiden]

Box Office Mojo:

'The Amazing Spider-Man 2's $35.5 million opening day is a bit lower than 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier's $36.9 million: http://bit.ly/1mppyol

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And since it's set within MCU, we can have Easter eggs like Peter running into Matt Murdock or read about Tony Stark in the newspaper as well.

Which would make the movie neither better nor worse.

I don't get into Box Office numbers of movies really, so as long as this makes enough so they get to make more, I'm happy.

Same here as long as they make enough to produce more then I'm happy.

I don't understand why Disney/Marvel would want the rights back Spider-man right now. The character is losing its shine

He's been shiny for about 40 years, he can take some hits and come back. (though I don't consider the reboot a hit to the character personally, the majority seems to enjoy them too)

Its not that surprising.once you consider one film is better made than the other.

If box office was related to quality then the Transformers movie franchise would've made diddly.

I can.

Same here.

Last, perhaps it's time fans send a message to Sony about what they want for Spider-Man. Back in 1997 us Batman fans had little way of telling WB how we felt about what they did to our character, Spidey fans have an advantage today with social media to ensure Sony hear you. I'm sympathetic because as much as I'm a Batman guy I've always had a soft spot for Spider-Man and would hate to see the same thing happened to Spidey fans as happened to us Batman folks.

Different situation, the light tone and humour didn't fit Batman, he's a brooding vigilante.

It does fit Spider-Man as he's like this in the comics.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree with box office mojo, it should do 93 at least. There is literally no other competition and for now kids still like Spider-Man.

 

[jmc]

Didn't situation, the light tone and humour didn't fit Batman, he's a brooding vigilante.

It does fit Spider-Man as he's like this in the comics.

The overall tone of the film is all over the place. It's not a different situation at all.

 

[Raiden]

Which would make the movie neither better nor worse.

It's not about better or worse; it's about having Spider-Man be part of a bigger universe that is populated with other superheroes like him. It is also why WB is putting Superman alongside Batman, WW, and other JL heroes in BvS., because sometimes the sum is bigger than individual parts.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I agree with people who say that Disney won't be in a hurry to get Spidey

He isn't half as profitable as he used to be and Marvel is making truck loads with the other superheroes and it would be useless to pay a huge amount for him now when sooner or later they would have him for free

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I agree with box office mojo, it should do 93 at least. There is literally no other competition and for now kids still like Spider-Man.

Do you think families will remain a strong demo when word [BLACKOUT]of Gwen's death[/BLACKOUT] gets out?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I agree with people who say that Disney won't be in a hurry to get Spidey

He isn't half as profitable as he used to be and Marvel is making truck loads with the other superheroes and it would be useless to pay a huge amount for him now when sooner or later they would have him for free

Spider-man isn't Daredevil or Ghost Rider, they'll never get him for free.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Do you think families will remain a strong demo when word [BLACKOUT]of Gwen's death[/BLACKOUT] gets out?

That's a good question. My gut is telling me...maybe that could hurt the family audience.

 

[Spiderdevil]

They will probably lose money over this movie, and if they don't come to their senses, they will lose more money on a sinister six and Venom movie

They will probably let Spidey go for free if that happens

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

They will probably lose money over this movie, and if they don't come to their senses, they will lose more money on a sinister six and Venom movie

They will probably let Spidey go for free if that happens

Or, more likely, make cheap crappy movies until they get offered something substantial to part with the crown jewel of the studio.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think they will lose money. I do think they will cut the budget and marketing budget for the next film though.

This is just my opinion but I don't see the 3rd film being any better than this one. I think the real impact on the box office numbers will come whenever they release the 3rd film.

 

[Mysteryman]

I really don't see how you market a Sinister Six film.
Ditto Venom.

 

[grieven]

Sorry if it's already been posted but just saw an article about TASM2 setting BO records overseas this weekend...

'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' Sets Record Opening Day Numbers In Latest Overseas Expansion

http://www.boxoffice.com/news/2014-...ning-day-numbers-in-latest-overseas-expansion


The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is breaking records overseas as it expands to every market around the world over the weekend.

The Spidey sequel had grossed more than $155 million overseas before its latest weekend expansion. The film has since set several new benchmarks around the world, including:

· biggest opening day of all time in Hong Kong (smashing the old record)

· Biggest opening day of all time in Indonesia

· Biggest opening day of all time in Malaysia

· Biggest opening day ever for a US film in India

· Biggest opening day ever for a US film in Vietnam

· Biggest two-day gross of all time in Philippines

· Biggest Thursday opening of all time in Thailand

· 2nd biggest opening day of all time in Singapore

· 3rd biggest opening day of all time in Brazil