The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Spiderine]

These street villains simply aren't going to get it done at the box office. Did Origins or Wolverine become lucrative with a more grounded approach? Right now, Sony is at a point of no return. They can't all of a sudden start scaling back after providing such a spectacle filled, visual universe. It doesn't work. Only a heavy hitter like Ock with a team will garner some casual interest again from a villain standpoint. Frankly, Parker's personal life is getting boring and redundant, and that's a glaring issue now.

If Sony were smart, I'd give the street elements to Marvel in exchange for movie elements. Have the Bugle in DD along with a Jameson. Let Garfield do some cameos. Get Blade and Punisher back in the mix along with the Spidey universe. Then get these elements on film in a Sony produced picture. Spidey needs help, and I don't think Sony has enough brand name characters in their stable to provide that.

Couldn't agree more Mr.M.

I don't know how anybody would think after the spectacle of villains and the setup we got in this film that all of a sudden we go with Kingpin/Tombstone/Silverman and a gang war. And other aspects like Spidey getting the black suit is just a freaking retread. U can't do things that they have done before because audiences don't want to see that. They basically left ASM2 on a cliffhanger.

They have got to go one with this sinister six approach as well as give Spidey some allies himself. Give it an epic feel. There really is no where else to go with this franchise that will up the stakes of a third film.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

It's a shame the producers have ruled out any Spider-man but Peter. I think 2099 is different enough to draw interest, while still remaining a Spider-Man story. We've yet to see a futuristic legacy superhero movie.

 

[Spiderine]

This would be the perfect time for Disney to offer 1 billion to Sony for the rights back.

The Sony execs have to realize Spider-man won't be earning them anywhere near that kind of money any time soon.

If anything the franchise will become a money pit for Sony.

I think Disney knows that they can get Spidey back in their stable without giving up huge assets if they play their cards right. Sony is going forward with this next film regardless. Disney aren't making any deals with Sony to share characters. We will soon see major spectacle films grouping well known heroes with Avengers 2, Xmen Apocalyse, and Supes/Bats. Spidey will be all alone in a film full of poorly written villains. Its almost sad.

In the words of Lizard......"Poor Peter Parker all alone"

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't care for the "Give it back to Marvel!" stuff. At all. That still doesn't change the fact that the international audience is only going to bail out Sony for so long. Eventually they are going to have to make another good Spider-Man movie and bring back some of the lost North American moviegoers if they want to keep the franchise going (And yes, I'm well aware that it's my opinion that the last 3 films have been not good).

 

[LizardMan07]

What would you do in the next film to save the franchise if you were in charge of it ISS?

 

[Spiderine]

I don't care for the "Give it back to Marvel!" stuff. At all. That still doesn't change the fact that the international audience is only going to bail out Sony for so long. Eventually they are going to have to make another good Spider-Man movie and bring back some of the lost North American moviegoers if they want to keep the franchise going (And yes, I'm well aware that it's my opinion that the last 3 films have been not good).

How are they gonna get the NA audience back? They have shown an inability to make a very good film in a long time and appear to be headed for another debacle based on the setup we just got. There seems to be too many individuals involved with the filmmaking process. I don't think this film left many of the GA excited for another. Just my opinion but they have few options because they believed this was going to be a massive success.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't care for the "Give it back to Marvel!" stuff. At all. That still doesn't change the fact that the international audience is only going to bail out Sony for so long. Eventually they are going to have to make another good Spider-Man movie and bring back some of the lost North American moviegoers if they want to keep the franchise going (And yes, I'm well aware that it's my opinion that the last 3 films have been not good).

The problem here is Sony and Avi are the ones who think they know how to do this. Hire some writers and a director of a high quality that understand the character, and give them a chance. You know, like what Raimi did.

 

[Visualiza]

The problem here is Sony and Avi are the ones who think they know how to do this. Hire some writers and a director of a high quality that understand the character, and give them a chance. You know, like what Raimi did.

That ship sailed in 2007 it would seem. Dark days are ahead for our favorite web-slinger. I dread the thought of what could possibly follow this movie...it's like they're just pumping stuff out from an assembly line minus the QC/QA.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What would you do in the next film to save the franchise if you were in charge of it ISS?

I'd cancell the spin-offs, put Drew Goddard in the director's chair for the 3rd film. If not him then some other decent director. Bring on some decent screenwriters and I'd let that team have a good amount of creative freedom. See maybe a bad film will be made but at least I tried to get a good film made.

So basically what my man Darth just wrote except I picked a director.

And finally Sony needs to tell Arad to screw off.

 

[InJustice]

How are they gonna get the NA audience back?

It's simple. Start by having the mentality that you want movies to be great and stand on their own (which means eliminating people with outlandish ideas and/or detrimental to this goal...like Avi Arad for instance). Once you have accomplished that, then you can start thinking about the bigger picture, and where to take Spidey.

It really starts with quality. Once NA audiences see that, then Spider-Man will be popular again.

 

[rayc1971]

What would you do in the next film to save the franchise if you were in charge of it ISS?

captain America 2 was a good film on a 170mill budget so I would do kraven and black cat as my villains and keep the budget at 170mill instead of 250mill

 

[Spiderine]

It's simple. Start by having the mentality that you want movies to be great and stand on their own (which means eliminating people with outlandish ideas and/or detrimental to this goal...like Avi Arad for instance). Once you have accomplished that, then you can start thinking about the bigger picture, and where to take Spidey.

It really starts with quality. Once NA audiences see that, then Spider-Man will be popular again.

That may sound simple to me and you. Sony has to acknowledge the problem to eliminate it. I agree with your post and I don't see how anyone else in that organization wouldn't see that but I feel like we have been down this road before in 2007. The more things change the more they remain the same.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think they need 200mil for Spidey but they shouldn't let it get much past that number.

 

[Em Dee]

Quality had nothing to do with the success of the Potter movies.
Potter 1 is DREADFUL.

BUT YOU'RE FROM EUROPE! I THOUGHT ALL EUROPEANS LIKED HARRY POTTER!!!!!

I kid I kid. In my opinion The Half Blood Prince is the worst.. Just as a Harry Potter movie.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The problem is, besides the very young, most of the audience has seen good Spider-Man movies. I don't know how many people are clamoring for Spider-man 6. It needs to stand out from the other Spider-Man movies as well as other superhero movies.

 

[rayc1971]

I think they need 200mil for Spidey but they shouldn't let it get much past that number.

yeah 250 mill budget is too much when avengers didn't have a budget that big

 

[Suzanne78]

I think they need 200mil for Spidey but they shouldn't let it get much past that number.

I agree with you and Darth and the others as well…

But add in 1) give the effects work to ILM/Weta/the VFWhouse who worked on Gravity and is working on GOTG, and yeah, I'm fully aware that Sony's own FX house worked on TASM2 but I've rarely been impressed with their work, and 2) get someone else to handle the marketing. They really turned a lot of people off with how this thing was promoted. Just the worst.

 

[LizardMan07]

I'd cancell the spin-offs, put Drew Goddard in the director's chair for the 3rd film. If not him then some other decent director. Bring on some decent screenwriters and I'd let that team have a good amount of creative freedom. See maybe a bad film will be made but at least I tried to get a good film made.

So basically what my man Darth just wrote except I picked a director.

And finally Sony needs to tell Arad to screw off.

Sounds like a plan

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Sounds like a plan

 

[Spider-Ock]

Boxoffice.com and another site are reporting the total budget of the film as 330 mil inclusive of marketing. But some other sites say that its overall budget is 445 mil. I am confused.

 

[chaseter]

This movie is going to struggle to reach $200 million domestic.

 

[spider-neil]

People talking about poor reviews and WOM being an influence. Look at the reaction to the Batman costume. MoS got 55% RT made less than 70m WW, when MoS 2 comes out that wont matter. MoS 2 could also get a 55% RT and will still make a **** load. Critic proof.

The concept of BvS is new and fresh and ASM2 just didn't have that going for it. A 55% RT wouldn't have made a difference for SM1 in 2002.

 

[spiderman2]

Fatigue only sets in when the films aren't working for the general audience anymore.

Yeah this basically. Franchise fatigue is not even really true its just a myth. If franchise fatigue was such a issue we wouldn't have like 7 fast and furious movies and 4 ice age movies ect. Heck even in video games franchise there are a lot like the call of duty games, halo, killzone, god of war, Zelda, Mario ect. IF Franchise fatuie was such a issue you wouldn't see so many sequal has they must still be making money if they haven't stopped making them yet. The problem is that sm3 was consider bad, asm1 slighley good and asm2 bad. Heck for 08-13 we had 3 iron man's and avengers with him to that is 4 movies with iron man in just 5 years or 1 ever 1.25 years where with spider man its 5 in 12 years or 1 ever 2.4 years yet iron man 3 made 1.2-1.3 billion.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Franchise fatigue is definitely a real thing.

Fast and Furious went through a major re-invention which made it one of greatest come back stories in Hollywood history.

But most franchise hit new lows with the fourth and fifth movie.

Overseas saved the latest Ice Age and POTC but it's clear the studios are careful when planning 4th and 5th sequels as domestic grosses drop.

 

[LizardMan07]

Yeah, if TASM2 was a 95% movie on RT you could bet anything you own that it would have absolutely killed it in the BO, that's just how it works, sans tranformers.