Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 8

[degraves93]

If they adapted KLH like the leaked e-mails suggested, the budget wouldn't have to be as big (at least I don't think). However with how TASM2 turned out financially, them making another Spider-Man movie of any kind would be a challenge that they may not be able to overcome.

Think about it: With the whole Interview debacle, that was a waste of a good bit of money.

Would they be willing to take a big risk again?

Even a five year old would know this. Sony's dumb, but they're also painfully aware of the financial mess they're in. If the 75/25 deal report is correct, and it has a chance of being correct, they will be in the position to still be making money off of their franchise. Even the 60/40 deal should guarantee that.

 

[spider-neil]

Sony absolutely have the money to finance and distribute a solo Spider-Man film but the whole point of making a big budget movie is to make a huge return on your investment (or why bother)and Sony aren't doing. So Sony can either;

a) reduce their costs and therefore their risk by co producing the movie.
Make the movie with Marvel and they reduce their costs by 25% AND have the potential of making more money from increased ticket sales.

or

b) heavily reduce their costs.
I don't think ASM3 makes more than 700m but I also don't think it makes less than 600m, so if budgeted accordingly you could make a HUGE return. The down side is the effects will look rubbish but again, you can plan for that and make a movie that relies heavily on acting and keeps CG to a mini mum. Kraven's Last Hunt can pretty much be done entirely using practical effects and you keep Lizard/Vermin is the shadows for as long as you can get away with. Make and Market the movie for 200m, and get sponsorship and you make a huge return on a 600m BO.

 

[spiderman2]

The Spider-Man franchise as a whole (both Raimi and Webb) had so many great things and yet so many bad things.

If we could just combine the good of both series', we'd have perfect Spider-Man movies.

Shame things got wasted due to idiotic reasoning.

Agree there are things that asm1 and 2 did better and things the first franchise did better.

 

[spiderman2]

Sony absolutely have the money to finance and distribute a solo Spider-Man film but the whole point of making a big budget movie is to make a huge return on your investment (or why bother)and Sony aren't doing. So Sony can either;

a) reduce their costs and therefore their risk by co producing the movie.
Make the movie with Marvel and they reduce their costs by 25% AND have the potential of making more money from increased ticket sales.

or

b) heavily reduce their costs.
I don't think ASM3 makes more than 700m but I also don't think it makes less than 600m, so if budgeted accordingly you could make a HUGE return. The down side is the effects will look rubbish but again, you can plan for that and make a movie that relies heavily on acting and keeps CG to a mini mum. Kraven's Last Hunt can pretty much be done entirely using practical effects and you keep Lizard/Vermin is the shadows for as long as you can get away with. Make and Market the movie for 200m, and get sponsorship and you make a huge return on a 600m BO.

while asm2 was said to cost like 250 plus 180 marketing. Less say they make asm3 and they instead have a budget of 200 and marketing 100. That would be 130 less but less say the movie makes 600 witch could happen with how the movies have been making less and less. Now with that you are only making 30 million more then asm2 did and form the sound of things they may have even came out like even on asm2 so even 30 million more and you are not in great shape. It was said asm2 made 65 million before overhead. I am not sure what that means but if you take the extra 30 million with what I said that would still only be 95 million before overhead.

 

[spiderman2]

Sinister Six would have been worse than I thought! Sony was literally trying to ripoff Marvel's The Avengers! Emma as Carnage ala Black Widow, Spidey uniting with Sinister Six against a common threat, Spidey ditching the Blacksuit because... the SS makes fun of it?

I'm soooo glad Sony's terrible plans for Sinister Six were exposed, they'd be out of their minds to push foward with this disaster!

I heard a lot of this stuff the other day but this is the first I have heard about spidey ditching the black suit because the SS makes fun of it? That has got to be a joke?

 

[Tymminator]

Was the Spidey-summit supposed to be in January or February?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

January.

 

[Stormz96]

At this point, would it even be possible for Sony to get another Spiderman film off the ground without co-producing it with Disney? I mean now that we know that tasm2 did just a little more than break even and the people running the franchise are completely dysfunctional. Sony Pictures lost so much money this year even before the hack. These conditions make it seem like a sony spidey film has a very very small chance of even seeing the light of day if sony doesn't take the deal

 

[Donut]

Sony absolutely have the money to finance and distribute a solo Spider-Man film but the whole point of making a big budget movie is to make a huge return on your investment (or why bother)and Sony aren't doing. So Sony can either;

a) reduce their costs and therefore their risk by co producing the movie.
Make the movie with Marvel and they reduce their costs by 25% AND have the potential of making more money from increased ticket sales.

or

b) heavily reduce their costs.
I don't think ASM3 makes more than 700m but I also don't think it makes less than 600m, so if budgeted accordingly you could make a HUGE return. The down side is the effects will look rubbish but again, you can plan for that and make a movie that relies heavily on acting and keeps CG to a mini mum. Kraven's Last Hunt can pretty much be done entirely using practical effects and you keep Lizard/Vermin is the shadows for as long as you can get away with. Make and Market the movie for 200m, and get sponsorship and you make a huge return on a 600m BO.

The only way Sony makes Spidey movies anyway is if the deal falls through

 

[Tymminator]

in the aftermath of Sony having all of their emails released for the world to see and the ramifications from that, it is hard for me to assume they would go forward as if nothing is changed and proceed as business as usual.

There are even people in the company that the emails show like the idea of a Marvel-deal. To think at the present time the should forge ahead and to ignore all that.... I can't imagine they would as that would be stupid.

EDIT: On second thought, yeah I can as apparently looking back, they really are that stupid.

 

[degraves93]

in the aftermath of Sony having all of their emails released for the world to see and the ramifications from that, it is hard for me to assume they would go forward as if nothing is changed and proceed as business as usual.

There are even people in the company that the emails show like the idea of a Marvel-deal. To think at the present time the should forge ahead and to ignore all that.... I can't imagine they would as that would be stupid.

EDIT: On second thought, yeah I can as apparently looking back, they really are that stupid.

Looking back though, they didn't have something like the leaks forcing their hand. Just as recently as October, all they had was TASM2's underperformance and that's about it. Question: Does their recent decision to go ahead with The Interview's release change anything?

 

[JOE]

Looking back though, they didn't have something like the leaks forcing their hand. Just as recently as October, all they had was TASM2's underperformance and that's about it. Question: Does their recent decision to go ahead with The Interview's release change anything?

It will if North Korea blows something up. Then Disney will buy Sony Pictures for $20 cash or certified cheque.

 

[degraves93]

It will if North Korea blows something up. Then Disney will buy Sony Pictures for $20 cash or certified cheque.

Sounds about right. Will going ahead with the film affect the deal with Marvel in any way?

 

[Eddie]

Sounds about right. Will going ahead with the film affect the deal with Marvel in any way?

No. Going ahead with The Interview is more about Sony making fools of themselves saying that no theaters would screen the film and no VOD providers would return their calls when multiple independent theaters had already confirmed they were still willing to screen it and Sony owns some VOD providers. People called bull**** (rightly so) on Sony. Also, North Korea made some pretty evil threats to America after getting what they supposedly wanted (no Interview), so it really didn't make sense to continue giving that Kim Jong-Un jackass what he wanted.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Kim Jong Un is crazy.

 

[degraves93]

Kim Jong Un is crazy.

Kim Jong Un-Stable

 

[Doc Ock]

Kim Jong Un is crazy.

Not as crazy as Sony.

 

[Eddie]

Not as crazy as Sony.

Kim Jong-Un is Hitler crazy. He's an evil jackass that wants to kill most everybody. Sony's Venom crazy. They mostly want to kill Spider-Man.

 

[venom892]

Kim Jong-Un is Hitler crazy. He's an evil jackass that wants to kill most everybody. Sony's Venom crazy. They mostly want to kill Spider-Man.

This was a perfectly executed joke.t:

 

[degraves93]

Kim Jong-Un is Hitler crazy. He's an evil jackass that wants to kill most everybody. Sony's Venom crazy. They mostly want to kill Spider-Man.

If I could buy you a lifetime supply of cookies for that joke, I would.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That was a neat joke.

 

[Art Freak]

I'll pile on. I now love this man. The joke brought a huge smile to my face. Very droll, sir.

 

[Tymminator]

Reading several news articles, Sony's consumer brand perception is at an all time low and they expect it to stay there for awhile as it takes some time to build it back...teaming with Marvel Studios would help give them some shine as well.

 

[degraves93]

Reading several news articles, Sony's consumer brand perception is at an all time low and they expect it to stay there for awhile as it takes some time to build it back...teaming with Marvel Studios would help give thm some shine as well.

Honestly, do they have a better option at this point?

 

[Tymminator]

Honestly, do they have a better option at this point?

I don't think so, but again they are both ignorant and arrogant.

When you have those two traits, you take twice as long to finally hear and understand any type of wake up call.