Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 9

[GoodYoung]

I disagree, Andrew's Spider-Man (in TASM2) was annoying, especially his execution of the jokes. (Which weren't funny, and didn't make sense).
Dane was awesome though, he would've owned the role of GG, if he was given better material.

In TASM2, yeah, but I think it wasn't Garfield's fault though. It was a terrible script. Andrew was really good in TASM1.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think he was bad in both movies. I don't like how he plays Peter. He is too cocky and hipster acting. Plus, even before he became Spidey, Garfield's Parker was listening to headphones and skateboarding through school halls even when he told not to.

The skateboarding part especially gave off the vibe he was something of a "rule breaker." that coupled with what he did to gain access to Oscorp ( stole another kid's identity which got that kid arrested then trespassed in the spider lab ).

The more cocky, rebellious, "invincible" attitude should come AFTER he gets his powers and before Uncle Ben dies.

Also, I never once bought this Peter as a geeky science nerd. not saying you have to go all out dorky, but there should be a transformation ( physically and attitude wise ) from the meek, timid, nerdy straight A student to a kid who suddenly has godlike powers who feels he can do anything.

This Peter also came across as a bit of a selfish and self centered jerk where he expects everything to revolve around him ( especially in TASM ). Not in a mean spirited away, but he just didn't come across as though he cared about others aside from Gwen. Look how he interacted with Uncle Ben and Aunt May ( in both films ). He was somewhat "cold" to both of them.

And don't get me started on the height. TASM Peter just felt a bit too tall for the role. it's hard to buy him as the underdog nerd who constantly gets picked on my the big jocks when he's pretty much the same height as said jocks.

Paraphrasing X-Knight's great post here but it says what I feel well.

I will not miss Andrew Garfield as Peter.

 

[The Infernal]

Dane was ok. His better scenes were when he was with Peter, but there was a lot of scenes involving his character that were just awful. The boardroom scene, his turning into a villain and becoming Goblin.

 

[spider-neil]

Absolutely LOVE Garfield's Spider-Man.

 

[The Infernal]

I like Garfield in general, but I do think his Spidey needed a lot of improvement. Watched TASM2 again recently. Some of the lines just felt phoned in and many of the jokes in the movie he delivers just don't work.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The humour is one of worst parts of TASM 2. So bad and cringey.

 

[Mirals]

I think he was bad in both movies. I don't like how he plays Peter. He is too cocky and hipster acting. Plus, even before he became Spidey, Garfield's Parker was listening to headphones and skateboarding through school halls even when he told not to.

The skateboarding part especially gave off the vibe he was something of a "rule breaker." that coupled with what he did to gain access to Oscorp ( stole another kid's identity which got that kid arrested then trespassed in the spider lab ).

The more cocky, rebellious, "invincible" attitude should come AFTER he gets his powers and before Uncle Ben dies.

Also, I never once bought this Peter as a geeky science nerd. not saying you have to go all out dorky, but there should be a transformation ( physically and attitude wise ) from the meek, timid, nerdy straight A student to a kid who suddenly has godlike powers who feels he can do anything.

This Peter also came across as a bit of a selfish and self centered jerk where he expects everything to revolve around him ( especially in TASM ). Not in a mean spirited away, but he just didn't come across as though he cared about others aside from Gwen. Look how he interacted with Uncle Ben and Aunt May ( in both films ). He was somewhat "cold" to both of them.

and don't get me started on the height. TASM Peter just felt a bit too tall for the role. it's hard to buy him as the underdog nerd who constantly gets picked on my the big jocks when he's pretty much the same height as said jocks.

Paraphrasing X-Knight's great post here but it says what I feel well.

I will not miss Andrew Garfield as Peter.

LOL, okay we get it, even If your arguments don't make sense(hipster acting?? What the hell is that?? ), you don't like TASM franchise Doc!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The humour is one of worst parts of TASM 2. So bad and cringey.

Agreed. You can almost feel the cockiness exuding from Garfield whilst playing this role. Garfield... not Parker, because the actor is coming through a bit too much.

Garfield thinks he's great in the role. Garfield thinks he's funny in the role. Garfield treats Spider-Man like the famous character he is and not the person he should be striving for as an actor and for me, this comes across on screen.

 

[spider-neil]

The humour is one of worst parts of TASM 2. So bad and cringey.

Your opinion. Myself and the audience were certainly laughing.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

LOL, okay we get it, even If your arguments don't make sense(hipster acting?? What the hell is that?? ), you don't like TASM franchise Doc!

My arguments always make sense Mirals. I never make any secret I hate TASM franchise. It ruined Spider-Man. I am so happy it is in trouble now and is looking likely that it has ended. This is a good thing for Spider-Man fans.

Agreed. You can almost feel the cockiness exuding from Garfield whilst playing this role. Garfield... not Parker, because the actor is coming through a bit too much.

Garfield thinks he's great in the role. Garfield thinks he's funny in the role. Garfield treats Spider-Man like the famous character he is and not the person he should be striving for as an actor and for me, this comes across on screen.

Agreed so much.

Your opinion. Myself and the audience were certainly laughing.

Mine were not. I know lots of people's who said theirs were not. Cheesy humour of it is one of the most bashed things about it. So it is lots of people's opinions not just my own.

 

[spider-neil]

Agreed. You can almost feel the cockiness exuding from Garfield whilst playing this role. Garfield... not Parker, because the actor is coming through a bit too much.

Garfield thinks he's great in the role. Garfield thinks he's funny in the role. Garfield treats Spider-Man like the famous character he is and not the person he should be striving for as an actor and for me, this comes across on screen.

Are you talking about Peter Parker, because Spider-Man is supposed to be cocky. As for your supposition Garfield thinks he is great in the role, that is your speculation and no more.

 

[spider-neil]

My arguments always make sense Mirals. I never make any secret I hate TASM franchise. It ruined Spider-Man. I am so happy it is in trouble now and is looking likely that it has ended. This is a good thing for Spider-Man fans.



Mine were not. I know lots of people's who said theirs were not. Cheesy humour of it is one of the most bashed things about it.

What about the Spider-Man fans who like the series? Their opinions don't count?

 

[Mirals]

My arguments always make sense Mirals. I never make any secret I hate TASM franchise. It ruined Spider-Man. I am so happy it is in trouble now and is looking likely that it has ended. This is a good thing for Spider-Man fans.

My arguments always make sense Mirals.
No they are not, sorry!

I never make any secret I hate TASM franchise.
True!

It ruined Spider-Man.
Your opinion. Ruined Spiderman? Not to me, on the contrary, AND I'm a Spider-Man fan too, so ...

 

[spider-neil]

Mine were not. I know lots of people's who said theirs were not. Cheesy humour of it is one of the most bashed things about it. So it is lots of people's opinions not just my own.

Maybe we should get our respective audiences to have a 'audience off'.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

What about the Spider-Man fans who like the series? Their opinions don't count?

Count for what spider-neil? There is not enough of you that is why this franchise is in trouble.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

No they are not, sorry!

Yes they are. Sorry. That is why you did not try to argue them properly. You could not. You just quoted it and insulted it. Only people who can't give good argument do that.

Your opinion. Ruined Spiderman? Not to me, on the contrary, AND I'm a Spider-Man fan too, so ...

You are minority person who feels this way. If you were majority the franchise would be more popular and not in trouble.

 

[chamber-music]

I think either you kind of soft reboot the TASM movies (change director, change direction, better script writers, ect) but keep the cast or you just ditch it altogether and have a MCU Spidey in Marvel films but no solo films for a while like the Hulk.

I don't see audiences going for a completely new third reboot Spider-Man solo franchise.

I know some fans want a completely reboot with Spidey going back to high school with a new cast but I don't think audiences will be queuing up to see that again.

LOL, okay we get it, even If your arguments don't make sense(hipster acting?? What the hell is that?? ), you don't like TASM franchise Doc!

I don't get it either. Apparently having a bit of backbone or a teenage rebellious streak means your no longer a nerd. Peter seemed like a typical millennial generation teenager to me. I don't feel he was he was cocky. Tony Stark is cocky, Black Widow is a bit cocky. Spidey likes to crack jokes, mock villain's and even trash talk a little in the comics but that doesn't make him cocky.

 

[spider-neil]

Some people carry on like Garfield is hated, he isn't.

Some people carry on like the ASM series is hated, it isn't.

The reception of the ASM series is lukewarm. The ASM series is 'currently' experiencing diminishing returns but there is no reason whatsoever that Spider-Man can't recover. The movie despite middle of the road reviews did 700m which on the one hand isn't good enough for Spider-Man but on the other hand is the disaster that some people make out. The fact Sony made little on the movie doesn't change the fact ASM2 did 700m at the box office and was in the top 10 for BO in 2014.

Also I think some people are blinded by the Marvel hype. I have seen more lacklustre movies from Marvel than great movies and I would MUCH rather see Spider-Man directed by A list quality director with a single self contained story with a beginning, middle and end than a Spider-Man Marvel that has to tie into all things Marvel.
I think we can all agree the current micromanaging hand on Spider-Man producers all need sacking.

 

[Mirals]

Yes they are. Sorry. That is why you did not try to argue them properly. You could not. You just quoted it and insulted it. Only people who can't give good argument do that.



You are minority person who feels this way. If you were majority the franchise would be more popular and not in trouble.

Yes they are. Sorry. That is why you did not try to argue them properly. You could not. You just quoted it and insulted it. Only people who can't give good argument do that.
Again, no. Nope, not at all. I don't even have to argue when you talk about "hipster acting"! There is no such thing. You're just a guy who fall in love with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and reject everything else which is different!
Everytime I see a post from you, It's always, like always the same thing.
You talk about fact, but it's always your opinion. There's not even one thing you like from TASM movies, which makes me think you don't even know the character or you're obsessed with Sam Raimi films.


You are minority person who feels this way. If you were majority the franchise would be more popular and not in trouble.
That's what most of the people think but it's not the truth actually. TASM2 received some really bad critics from press (Never saw that before). But in the end It's just a movie. And you may not believe me but a lot of people actually enjoyed it. Not only because It's a MARVEL character(and one of the most famous), but because It's also an enjoyable pop-corn movie.
But the audience is split(for every movie) , yes: some people liked it, some people didn't. But there is no majority or minority there.
You should pay some respect to the audience.

 

[Mirals]

I don't get it either. Apparently having a bit of backbone or a teenage rebellious streak means your no longer a nerd. Peter seemed like a typical millennial generation teenager to me. I don't feel he was he was cocky. Tony Stark is cocky, Black Widow is a bit cocky. Spidey likes to crack jokes, mock villain's and even trash talk a little in the comics but that doesn't make him cocky.

Well said

 

[The Joker]

Some people carry on like Garfield is hated, he isn't.

Some people carry on like the ASM series is hated, it isn't.

The franchise, and Garfield's interpretation, are at best lukewarm liked, which is a weak state of affairs for a once thriving icon like Spider-Man in the movies which were loved by audiences and fans alike back in the Raimi days.

The reception of the ASM series is lukewarm. The ASM series is 'currently' experiencing diminishing returns but there is no reason whatsoever that Spider-Man can't recover. The movie despite middle of the road reviews did 700m which on the one hand isn't good enough for Spider-Man but on the other hand is the disaster that some people make out. The fact Sony made little on the movie doesn't change the fact ASM2 did 700m at the box office and was in the top 10 for BO in 2014.

Also I think some people are blinded by the Marvel hype. I have seen more lacklustre movies from Marvel than great movies and I would MUCH rather see Spider-Man directed by A list quality director with a single self contained story with a beginning, middle and end than a Spider-Man Marvel that has to tie into all things Marvel.
I think we can all agree the current micromanaging hand on Spider-Man producers all need sacking.

Yes the Spider-Man movies can recover if they get them away from Sony, Arad, Webb and Co. Preferably send them to Marvel because Sony has not made a great Spider-Man movie in 10 years.

If people are blinded by the Marvel hype, what does that say about those who think there's hope for the TASM universe after two lackluster movies? Marvel at least have the capacity to make more good movies than bad, whereas Sony has only been able to do two out of 5 good Spidey movies, and the last one was a decade ago.

Some TASM fans have got stars in their eyes thinking the franchise has just hit a little bump in the road, especially when we now know the desperate situation that Sony are in (as if those awful spin off ideas were not a clue as to how desperate they were).

 

[spider-neil]

Count for what spider-neil? There is not enough of you that is why this franchise is in trouble.

1 Transformers: Age of Extinction Par. $1,087.4 $245.4 22.6% $842.0 77.4%
2 Guardians of the Galaxy BV $772.6 $333.0 43.1% $439.6 56.9%
3 Maleficent BV $757.8 $241.4 31.9% $516.3 68.1%
4 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $746.0 $233.9 31.4% $512.1 68.6%
5 Captain America: The Winter Soldier BV $714.1 $259.8 36.4% $454.3 63.6%
6 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $709.0 $202.9 28.6% $506.1 71.4%

The franchise should be doing better, no question, 'in trouble' is an exaggeration.
The movie did decent numbers, it was SONY's problem they spend so much on the budget and marketing.

 

[Erzengel]

Didn't Sony give up it's 2016 Summer movie spot?

All they have is the S6 spot in November of 2016 correct?

That being said, not that TASM2 blew any of the movies away with a Summer release, well mostly because of it's quality BUT, who knows how a November one would be received.

 

[GoodYoung]

I think he was bad in both movies. I don't like how he plays Peter. He is too cocky and hipster acting. Plus, even before he became Spidey, Garfield's Parker was listening to headphones and skateboarding through school halls even when he told not to.

And don't get me started on the height. TASM Peter just felt a bit too tall for the role.

Seriously?

Also, I never once bought this Peter as a geeky science nerd.

I did.

Look how he interacted with Uncle Ben and Aunt May ( in both films ). He was somewhat "cold" to both of them.

It felt real and there was nothing wrong with it. A lot of teenager sometimes arguing with parents. So I don't any problem here.

The humour is one of worst parts of TASM 2. So bad and cringey.

There are A LOT of things that are worse than that. But yeah, the humor was bad.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agin, no. Nope, not at all. I don't even have to argue when you talk about "hipster acting"! There is no such thing. You're just a guy who fall in love with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and reject everything else which is different!
Everytime I see a post from you, It's always, like always the same thing.
You talk about fact, but it's always your opinion. There's not even one thing you like from TASM movies, which makes me thing you don't even know the character or obsessed with Sam Raimi films.

Again yes, definitely. You cannot argue because you know you do not have an argument to make. All you can say is make personal insult remarks at me. I am not just a guy who fell in love with Raimi's Spider-Man and reject everything else. See that is you just making insults up about me because you are annoyed at me because my opinion was valid and you couldn't argue it. I don't just love Raimi movies. I love the comics, Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, 90's Spider-Man cartoon too. I hate USM cartoon and ASM movies.

So do not try to make up things about me because you have no good arguments against my opinions.

That's what most of the people think but it's not the truth actually. TASM2 received some really bad critics from press (Never saw that before). But in the end It's just a movie. And you may not believe me but a lot of people actually enjoyed it. Not only because It's a MARVEL character(and one of the most famous), but because It's also an enjoyable pop-corn movie.
But the audience is split, yes. But there is no majority or minority there.
You should pay some respect to the audience.

It is true. That is why Sony is in bad state now. They have lost so much money on Spider-Man because the movies are not popular any more and are diminishing.

Marvel is where Spider-Man should be now because they would do him justice. Marvel is thriving and Sony is flailing.