The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 10

[SpideyFan866]

Also, I dont get why people hate the gene passing element of Ang Lee's Hulk.

It's 1000% accurate to the comics and so far the ONLY adaptation to get that element of Bruce's origin right.

Plus, that was far from the worse part of that film.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Also, I dont get why people hate the gene passing element of Ang Lee's Hulk.

It's 1000% accurate to the comics and so far the ONLY adaptation to get that element of Bruce's origin right.

Plus, that was far from the worse part of that film.

Starfish DNA is accurate to the comics?

And part of that origin is the worst part of the film. The whole storyline of Bruce's dad was THE worst part of the film.

 

[Marjorie]

Where did you get this idea? No where does it seem like Webb made Uncle Ben a jerk to Peter.

Someone told me about a scene that was shown during one of the special events that was held for fans in five different cities.

Spoiler

The scene involved Uncle Ben being mad at Peter for making him change work shifts in order to discuss Peter fighting in school. What that person saw seemed to fit with a rumor I read about Uncle Ben's death. This is another change in the origin I don't like if true.

Sorry if I mentioned something not well known in this forum without spoiler tags.

 

[Marjorie]

Also, I dont get why people hate the gene passing element of Ang Lee's Hulk.

It's 1000% accurate to the comics and so far the ONLY adaptation to get that element of Bruce's origin right.

Plus, that was far from the worse part of that film.

I didn't mind that origin for Hulk. I just dont want that same origin for
Spider-Man. If TPTB were so concerned that people were tired of hearing Spidey's classic origin, then this movie should have skipped being an origin film and told a new Spidey tale with a new actor in the role.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

[BLACKOUT]Peter being a lab rat for his father's experiments[/BLACKOUT] is giving me a horrible flashback to Ang Lee's Hulk...

I seriously hope they do not go this route and make the Parker's seem like crazy, science fanatics that would put their own son at risk...

I think they're yanking peoples chains by deliberately cutting the lines in to make it seem that way. This is going to be one of those "I can't believe people actually fell for those silly rumors" things after the movie is out.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I didn't mind that origin for Hulk. I just dont want that same origin for
Spider-Man. If TPTB were so concerned that people were tired of hearing Spidey's classic origin, then this movie should have skipped being an origin film and told a new Spidey tale with a new actor in the role.

While that sounds like a good idea when you first think of it, its a horrible idea in the long run.

It would cause unnecessary confusion and have GA thinking that it was a sequel to the other films, just with different actors and make their dislike of it even worse because they think they just replaced the actors for no reason and, ironically, they should just rebooted all together if they were gonna replace them.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Someone told me about a scene that was shown during one of the special events that was held for fans in five different cities.

Spoiler

The scene involved Uncle Ben being mad at Peter for making him change work shifts in order to discuss Peter fighting in school. What that person saw seemed to fit with a rumor I read about Uncle Ben's death. This is another change in the origin I don't like if true.

Sorry if I mentioned something not well known in this forum without spoiler tags.

That's not acting like a jerk...I'd be pissed too if I were Uncle Ben in that situation. Should he be nice because Peter got in a fight?

 

[Marjorie]

That's not acting like a jerk...I'd be pissed too if I were Uncle Ben in that situation. Should he be nice because Peter got in a fight?

You can show disapproval in a loving way and in a jerky way. Uncle Ben in Raimi's trilogy was not happy about Peter fighting Flash, but he tried to be constructive in his criticism. This didn't seem to be true about Uncle Ben in the scene I was telling you about in the reboot. In that situation, you would hope that Ben would realize this behavior was abnormal for good-hearted Peter. Ben should consider Peter's side of the story before coming down too hard on the kid. It's possible Webb is going to make Peter more of an ungrateful brat instead of the loving nephew we see in the comics. That would be another terrible change if true IMO. There was also another scene that didn't show Ben in the best light in regards to parenting Peter.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What are the chances that this Massee guy is actually playing Norman? Is that supposed to be him in Connors cell?

Have to be honest I'll be kind of disappointed if he's not, even though he's not a big name he's kind of a weird unsettling guy and he'd be a great Osborn.

 

[stillanerd]

It's stupid, and while I can deal with it as I dealt with it in Hulk, it's still a STUPID idea.

Now it's quite frankly a joke whenever someone says this movie will be more faithful to the comics than Raimi's trilogy because that new origin shouldn't be in TAS-M. It's just too drastic to think it's a good idea. So people are supposed to say that Peter's bad luck started way back when his dad used him as a lab rat? Lol.

Not to mention the other changes to the origin that are rumored to be in the is movie. Such as:

Spoiler

based on the "dinner table scene" and how Webb talks about Spidey's behavior when confronting the carjacker, that it appears Peter, as Spider-Man, is already a costumed vigilante BEFORE his Uncle Ben gets killed. And, based on the reported scene from the "sizzle reel" in which Uncle Ben is forced to change shifts at work because Peter gets into a fight with Flash that this could be the incident which ultimately leads to Uncle Ben's death.

You'd pretty have all the surface aspects of Spider-Man, such as him making wise-cracks while fighting bad guys and having mechanical webshooters, but at the same time removed all the essence from the character that made him so appealing in the first place.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Someone told me about a scene that was shown during one of the special events that was held for fans in five different cities.

Spoiler

The scene involved Uncle Ben being mad at Peter for making him change work shifts in order to discuss Peter fighting in school. What that person saw seemed to fit with a rumor I read about Uncle Ben's death. This is another change in the origin I don't like if true.

Sorry if I mentioned something not well known in this forum without spoiler tags.

I saw the scene from the event in February and he really didn't come off as a jerk. He came off like any parent would be, upset that their son or daughter got in trouble that made them have to shift things for the day, but he wasn't a jerk at all. He was very stern and even joked around with Peter afterward about Gwen.

I don't know how your parents were or are, but if I got into a fight in school and caused my mom to have to leave work early to come deal with me, I'd be in trouble lol. I mean don't tell me we've become so soft as people now in 2012 that kids can't be disciplined for breaking the rules now

 

[mayo23]

Not to mention the other changes to the origin that are rumored to be in the is movie. Such as:

Spoiler

based on the "dinner table scene" and how Webb talks about Spidey's behavior when confronting the carjacker, that it appears Peter, as Spider-Man, is already a costumed vigilante BEFORE his Uncle Ben gets killed. And, based on the reported scene from the "sizzle reel" in which Uncle Ben is forced to change shifts at work because Peter gets into a fight with Flash that this could be the incident which ultimately leads to Uncle Ben's death.

You'd pretty have all the surface aspects of Spider-Man, such as him making wise-cracks while fighting bad guys and having mechanical webshooters, but at the same time removed all the essence from the character that made him so appealing in the first place.

So what essence that made the character appealing did they remove exactly?

 

[Patzo3000]

Not to mention the other changes to the origin that are rumored to be in the is movie. Such as:

Spoiler

based on the "dinner table scene" and how Webb talks about Spidey's behavior when confronting the carjacker, that it appears Peter, as Spider-Man, is already a costumed vigilante BEFORE his Uncle Ben gets killed. And, based on the reported scene from the "sizzle reel" in which Uncle Ben is forced to change shifts at work because Peter gets into a fight with Flash that this could be the incident which ultimately leads to Uncle Ben's death.

You'd pretty have all the surface aspects of Spider-Man, such as him making wise-cracks while fighting bad guys and having mechanical webshooters, but at the same time removed all the essence from the character that made him so appealing in the first place.

All the essence of the character is gone? He's still a regular guy for before the spider bit him, he still has everyday problems, he still has to balance everyday life and superhero life and he still decides to use his powers to help people in the end. Sounds like Spider-man to me.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

So what essence that made the character appealing did they remove exactly?

Lol I'm not going to read the spoilers but just piecing things together with this conversation everyone is having about the origin, I'm with mayo on this one: If his dad had something to do with his powers, how does that change who Peter is or how relatable he is as a character? It changes his history but that doesn't mean automatically his high school life will be so far out of reach of an actual high school kid, or he'll stop having money problems or girl problems or lose his sense of humor or responsibility or even his flaws. THAT'S what makes Peter relatable, that's why he's lasted so long: Because he deals with crap in his everyday life that all of us deal with in our everyday lives, not his origin, not his powers; Peter Parker is the main reason spider-man is so successful as a character.

None of us (I'm assuming) can relate to being hunted by police, clinging to walls, being bitten by altered spiders or fighting mob bosses and monsters, but we can relate to relationship problems, dealing with the parent of your girlfriend/boyfriend, trying to help your family survive and take care of your loved ones, all while trying not to make a mess of everything and figure out who you are as a person and what your destiny is

 

[Marjorie]

All the essence of the character is gone? He's still a regular guy for before the spider bit him, he still has everyday problems, he still has to balance everyday life and superhero life and he still decides to use his powers to help people in the end. Sounds like Spider-man to me.

If everything we're hearing is true about the origin changes, Peter isn't a regular guy. What was so appealing about comic Peter is that his life was dramatically changed because of an unpredictable accident. In other words, it could have happened to anyone.

Spoiler

This movie is saying that Peter becoming Spider-Man was predetermined because of what Peter's Dad did to him early in his life. If the rumor about Ben's death is true, then a burglar won't be responsible. Peter was different from other superheroes because he didn't deal with just global-menacing threats. Peter took care of the small-time crooks because he believed these thugs were just as devastating to people's lives as the super villains.

 

[mayo23]

If everything we're hearing is true about the origin changes, Peter isn't a regular guy. What was so appealing about comic Peter is that his life was dramatically changed because of an unpredictable accident. In other words, it could have happened to anyone.

Spoiler

This movie is saying that Peter becoming Spider-Man was predetermined because of what Peter's Dad did to him early in his life. If the rumor about Ben's death is true, then a burglar won't be responsible. Peter was different from other superheroes because he didn't deal with just global-menacing threats. Peter took care of the small-time crooks because he believed these thugs were just as devastating to people's lives as the super villains.

So that's what was appealing about him? that we can all gain superpowers?

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

If everything we're hearing is true about the origin changes, Peter isn't a regular guy. What was so appealing about comic Peter is that his life was dramatically changed because of an unpredictable accident. In other words, it could have happened to anyone.

Spoiler

This movie is saying that Peter becoming Spider-Man was predetermined because of what Peter's Dad did to him early in his life. If the rumor about Ben's death is true, then a burglar won't be responsible. Peter was different from other superheroes because he didn't deal with just global-menacing threats. Peter took care of the small-time crooks because he believed these thugs were just as devastating to people's lives as the super villains.

But they did that in the comics with the spider-totem and it didn't change anything as far as who Peter was and what he stood for and what he fought for. I guess we have different ideas as to what made him appealing, but to me, how he became spider-man was never the hook for me and I don't believe it's the hook for a lot of people: It's what he did once became spider-man and his wit, his bouts with deciding whether to keep making these sacrifices when life kept kicking him in the pants. His sense of responsibility, the bad decisions he made and the good ones he made, the fact that he was caught between helping his aunt or defeating a villain, or going out on a date with a girl he's really into or saving NYC for the 100th time and not getting any thanks or credit for it.

 

[mayo23]

I think for Webb and co. how he became spider-man isn't what makes him appealing either.

 

[terry78]

Very cute.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

And I have no clue what the rumor about Ben's death is but he does die. Marc Webb said it in his most recent interview yesterday. He said he'd never subvert that and it's one of the things Marvel said needed to be in the film.

 

[Marjorie]

So that's what was appealing about him? that we can all gain superpowers?

Yes, that is definitely part of the appeal IMO. I would love to have Spidey's powers if that were possible. When Peter initially sought fame and fortune, I could see myself doing the same thing. I could understand why Peter let the burglar go. Due to unexpected events, he learned a painful lesson. In this new origin, we're told Peter will learn with great power comes great responsibility in a different way. Will it be as effective? We'll have to wait and see.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

If everything we're hearing is true about the origin changes, Peter isn't a regular guy. What was so appealing about comic Peter is that his life was dramatically changed because of an unpredictable accident. In other words, it could have happened to anyone.

Spoiler

This movie is saying that Peter becoming Spider-Man was predetermined because of what Peter's Dad did to him early in his life. If the rumor about Ben's death is true, then a burglar won't be responsible. Peter was different from other superheroes because he didn't deal with just global-menacing threats. Peter took care of the small-time crooks because he believed these thugs were just as devastating to people's lives as the super villains.

Thanks for explaining why Peter is so "unique". You literally just wrote the origin of 99% of the superheros.

AbsractPo3tic's post above yours pretty much says it all.

 

[D4rkShaDoWz]

I think what Majorie is trying to say is that Uncle Ben's death was a huge inspiration for Spider-Man as a hero - he caught robbers and murderers, the same people that killed his uncle. It wouldn't make sense for him to already be a vigilante before his uncle died.

 

["_____"]

Anyone here wish marvel had the movie rights over Sony? I do

 

[Charles L]

Just saw the new trailer in front of "The Avengers". The 3D and cinematography looked amazing!