The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 10

[jaymes_e06]

Link please?

It was a random google search a while ago. I have no idea where though.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

It was a random google search a while ago. I have no idea where though.

The search began and now it's over because I didn't find anything

 

[Resistance61513]

I still don't get the hate for the new Spider-Man costume? I think it looks sexy as hell. Definitely purchasing the theatrical film quality suit from Disguise when it releases. I don't know why, I just think the suit has a nice sleek flow to it.

Though I do love the Raimi suit for the nostalgic feel.

 

[Spidey_62]

I hope a life size replica of the new suit is released. I have the life size replica of Spidey for the 1st movie Blockbuster released almost 10 years ago, it would be cool to have a partner piece for it.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It is much better than the Raimi costume. Talking about Raimi, I wanted to watch Spidey 2 again this afternoon, got 20 minutes in, and stopped it. It's so weird, but my mind is completely pervaded by everything from TASM, I've followed every single piece of news, trailer, etc. I love the Spidey movies, don't get me wrong but after seeing the latest trailer, it just makes it really impossible (for me) for Spidey 2 to hold a candle to TASM (I know, I know, we've only seen trailers). Just seeing those amazing action shots in the trailer, amazing visuals, Garfield as Peter who looks much more like what I had in mind, and Ultimate-like, the different feel of TASM.

I can say it right now, I'm never going to be able to appreciate the former Spidey movies as much as I did, witnessed it today, it's as if TASM is the first Spidey movie and the others never existed, so weird, I may be a bit hasty there, but I truly believe TASM will blow our minds and that the Raimi movies will really suffer from the comparison.

 

[Resistance61513]

^ I love how you're so polite about it. haha

I honestly think most of us are that way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

this will be my spiderman movie, as i was never a big fan of the last 3

 

[stillanerd]

Maybe I should better explain why I have such a problem with the idea of Peter's father altering Peter's DNA and the spider being the catalyst for unlocking Peter's dormant powers.

1. In the original comics, it was made very clear that Peter, with the exception of his extraordinary intelligence, was a relatively ordinary guy, someone who you would think could never be somebody special in a million years. In fact, you could say that Peter is very much like the skinny dweeb in those old Charles Atlas ads--the guy who, in spite of how smart and charming he is, always loses the girl to dumb beefcake who takes pleasure in kicking sand in his face. His suddenly being bestowed great power is a simple twist of fate, and the original origin makes the point, to borrow from Batman Begins, that "it's not who you are that defines you, but what you do." What this new origin, if accurate, does it make Peter essentially the "chosen one," someone who is "destined for greatness" at the start. Not only is this something that is very overdone nowadays, but the downside is it implies that, it's not the content of your character that makes you special or great, it's your genes, your family, or background that determines your greatness, which is completely contrary to what Spider-Man is about.

2. In a related matter, it forces Peter's motivation become less about making amends for being culpable in his Uncle's death and trying to live up to the lessons his Uncle taught him and more about finding the truth about what happened to his father and living up his father's legacy. Sure, we know Uncle Ben's death will be a key factor in shaping who Peter becomes, but the trailers and even the filmmakers suggest that this will not be the driving force that makes Peter do what he does in the film. It's all about the "mystery" of what happened to his parents, instead, essentially turning Spider-Man into a carbon copy of Clark Kent from Smallville.

3. It adds one more coincidence on top of an apparently ever increasing number of coincidences that are being set-up in the movie. Consider what we know already: Peter just happens to find his dad's briefcase and discovers he works for Oscorp, where he just so happens to be bitten by a spider which gives him powers. Gwen Stacy, the girl Peter has a crush on, also just happens to work at Oscorp. So does Dr. Curt Connors, who not only turns out to be Richard Parker's friend and colleague, but someone who will also become the very first super-villain Peter will battle against. Then there's Gwen dad, who not only apparently will go after his daughter's boyfriend but who, I imagine, will also be killed by the Lizard in the climax of the movie. And, of course, you've got the head of Oscorp, who it's probably safe to assume had something to do with the disappearance of Peter's parents, but also becomes Peter's arch-enemy that eventually kills Peter's girlfriend, and who has a son will also become Peter's best friend.

4. Unless otherwise explained, it potentially creates a big plot hole. Basically, when experimenting on his son, Richard somehow knew that, one day, Peter was going to find his missing briefcase, which would conveniently have his ten year old Oscorp ID badge and extra glasses which would still allow Peter to get inside the main Oscorp building and pass for his own dad, and, upon exploring, just so happen to find the very room containing the spiders in which one of them just so happens to bite him which is the very thing required to activate his dormant powers. Which brings up...

5. It needlessly complicates what used to be a relatively simple, easy-to-explain, one sentence origin: "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider." Compare that to "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a gentically-altered spider created by his dad which activated long-dormant mutant DNA that was the result of genetic tampering by his dad."

6. Unless it gets properly clarified, it doesn't get around the fact that Peter's father was conducting human experiments on his own son without his son's knowledge or consent. Not only is this unethical, it's tantamount to child-abuse. So why should we, as an audience, care about what happened to a guy who, for all intends and purposes, abused his own son? Basically, it sabotages the mystery the film wants it's audience to be as emotionally invested in as Peter himself.

 

[Resistance61513]

I kind of wish this was the first Spider-Man film we got. I'm so tired of all the haters/this film not getting the recognition it deserves. Then again though, maybe that's a good thing? With everyone's expectations surprisingly low, maybe it'll be a massive hit.

 

[Thwip!]

YES I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN because of both parties involved being owned by different companies but when i saw this at 1:45 in the new trailer, a part of me hoped...

 

[VenomSpawn]

Hoped what?

 

[Thwip!]

Hoped what?

In the split second that that appeared in the trailer, there looked to be a giant A on the top of the building in the centre and Avengers just popped into my head...though it'll never happen until marvel gets its characters back

A childlike dream of mine :/

 

[SpideyFan866]

In the split second that that appeared in the trailer, there looked to be a giant A on the top of the building in the centre and Avengers just popped into my head...though it'll never happen until marvel gets its characters back

A childlike dream of mine :/

Don't feel bad.

When I watched Avengers, I started to imagine a trailer for Avengers 2 where Stark says something like "we're cashing in our number 1 draft pick" and we get a sweet clip of Spidey kicking chitauri/skrull ass.

 

[Thwip!]

Don't feel bad.

When I watched Avengers, I started to imagine a trailer for Avengers 2 where Stark says something like "we're cashing in our number 1 draft pick" and we get a sweet clip of Spidey kicking chitauri/skrull ass.

haha oh lord how i would love to see that

 

[Troy_Parker]

I'm getting sick of this whole Peter's dad experimenting on Peter business. What exactly makes people think that that's what's going to happen?

Richard loves his Peter a lot. You can see that in the trailer, so why exactly would he experiment on his one and only son?

 

[AF3619]

mnmmm who said Richard experimented on Peter? maybe we get a better explanation about Peter beeing spiderman is not an accident, and make sense

 

[Mike]

this will be my spiderman movie, as i was never a big fan of the last 3

sm1 waS good because of nostalgia. Sm2 was ok, the action scenes was its saving grace. And sm3 was just a let down. So I can't really say I'm a fan of the raimi trilogy. This take feels more like spider-man to me.

 

[Anno_Domini]

In the split second that that appeared in the trailer, there looked to be a giant A on the top of the building in the centre and Avengers just popped into my head...though it'll never happen until marvel gets its characters back

A childlike dream of mine :/

And it doesn't need to happen, lol.

 

[Spider-Who?]

1. In the original comics, it was made very clear that Peter, with the exception of his extraordinary intelligence, was a relatively ordinary guy, someone who you would think could never be somebody special in a million years. In fact, you could say that Peter is very much like the skinny dweeb in those old Charles Atlas ads--the guy who, in spite of how smart and charming he is, always loses the girl to dumb beefcake who takes pleasure in kicking sand in his face. His suddenly being bestowed great power is a simple twist of fate, and the original origin makes the point, to borrow from Batman Begins, that "it's not who you are that defines you, but what you do." What this new origin, if accurate, does it make Peter essentially the "chosen one," someone who is "destined for greatness" at the start. Not only is this something that is very overdone nowadays, but the downside is it implies that, it's not the content of your character that makes you special or great, it's your genes, your family, or background that determines your greatness, which is completely contrary to what Spider-Man is about.

Yes, I don't get where people have come up with the idea that Peter was experimented on, nor why - if it's true - it somehow undermines WHO Peter is and WHAT makes him special.

Let's say his Dad DID messed with his DNA...so what? How does that change his character? How does this change the fact that he's a smart, nerdy, shy kid who gets spider powers, and uses them poorly before learning to use them responsibly after Uncle Ben's death? It's not like he even KNOWS that is what happened and walks around school with girls swooning over him because he has super genes.

People seem to be hanging on the fact that because his DNA being messed with changes Peter because now instead of "anyone" being able to be Spider-Man, now, ONLY Peter can.

Guess what?

ONLY Peter can be Spider-Man, regardless of what's in his DNA prior to the spider bite. It is PETER'S personality, his life lessons, his desire and his mistakes and need for repentance that MAKES Spider-Man. It has NOTHING to do with his DNA. And remember, it the comics, he learned of the Spider-totem, which is pretty much a mystical version of the dad-messing-with-his-DNA angle.

2. In a related matter, it forces Peter's motivation become less about making amends for being culpable in his Uncle's death and trying to live up to the lessons his Uncle taught him and more about finding the truth about what happened to his father and living up his father's legacy. Sure, we know Uncle Ben's death will be a key factor in shaping who Peter becomes, but the trailers and even the filmmakers suggest that this will not be the driving force that makes Peter do what he does in the film. It's all about the "mystery" of what happened to his parents, instead, essentially turning Spider-Man into a carbon copy of Clark Kent from Smallville.

People can have more than one motivation. It's his desire to learn about his parents that starts the ball rolling. This does not take away from Ben at all. In fact, to me, it seems like it will help ACCENTUATE Ben's importance. Being obsessed with his parents might cause a rift between Peter and Ben, which would be a much more believable, and dramatic version of the little fight that Peter and Ben had in SM1. Upon his death, Peter will realize that by obsessing over his parents, he did not appreciate Ben.

3. It adds one more coincidence on top of an apparently ever increasing number of coincidences that are being set-up in the movie. Consider what we know already: Peter just happens to find his dad's briefcase and discovers he works for Oscorp, where he just so happens to be bitten by a spider which gives him powers. Gwen Stacy, the girl Peter has a crush on, also just happens to work at Oscorp. So does Dr. Curt Connors, who not only turns out to be Richard Parker's friend and colleague, but someone who will also become the very first super-villain Peter will battle against. Then there's Gwen dad, who not only apparently will go after his daughter's boyfriend but who, I imagine, will also be killed by the Lizard in the climax of the movie. And, of course, you've got the head of Oscorp, who it's probably safe to assume had something to do with the disappearance of Peter's parents, but also becomes Peter's arch-enemy that eventually kills Peter's girlfriend, and who has a son will also become Peter's best friend.

Stories are full of "coincidences" if you want to look at it that way. But really its as simple as cause and effect. One event leads to another, which leads to another, etc.

4. Unless otherwise explained, it potentially creates a big plot hole. Basically, when experimenting on his son, Richard somehow knew that, one day, Peter was going to find his missing briefcase, which would conveniently have his ten year old Oscorp ID badge and extra glasses which would still allow Peter to get inside the main Oscorp building and pass for his own dad, and, upon exploring, just so happen to find the very room containing the spiders in which one of them just so happens to bite him which is the very thing required to activate his dormant powers.

Heh, you should be in the Olympic Long Jump competition, because that was one of the biggest jumps to a conclusion I've seen lately.

Ignoring the fact that we have NO IDEA if the rumor concerning Peter's DNA is true, there is NOTHING that suggests Peter getting bitten was some elaborate design by his father. ALL we know is that Peter's parents left in a hurry and were never heard from again. Plenty of stuff would have been left behind. The suitcase is a plot device - nothing more. Its what starts Peter's desire to find out more about his parents.

5. It needlessly complicates what used to be a relatively simple, easy-to-explain, one sentence origin: "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider." Compare that to "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a gentically-altered spider created by his dad which activated long-dormant mutant DNA that was the result of genetic tampering by his dad."

The second sentence doesn't change the first. The second sentence - if true (which again, we have no idea, and I've yet to see any evidence that supports the hysterics) - does nothing but add a little bit more story to the event, it fleshes it out. It can still be easily explained as "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider." because that is STILL what happens.

6. Unless it gets properly clarified, it doesn't get around the fact that Peter's father was conducting human experiments on his own son without his son's knowledge or consent. Not only is this unethical, it's tantamount to child-abuse. So why should we, as an audience, care about what happened to a guy who, for all intends and purposes, abused his own son? Basically, it sabotages the mystery the film wants it's audience to be as emotionally invested in as Peter himself.

Once again, we have no idea if this is true, and therefore we have no idea of the context of the rumor. I would agree that if his dad just came home one day and decided he wanted to dick around with his son's DNA, that'd be a problem. BUT not knowing what the context is - why he did it, and what, exactly did he do if anything - doesn't allow us to judge his actions. Even still, I, as an audience member, WOULD care about Peter uncovering the mystery, because I WOULD want to know why.

 

[bunk]

Peter is never really a normal kid. His intelligence already puts him in a special category of people that are bound to have incredible lives. What's interesting is that he stays grounded the entire time and because of that, his powers really just make his life more difficult.

 

[Mysterioman]

@stillanerd:

So you want the original origin where Peter gets his powers from a spider bite...but why would a spider with radioactivity cause a person to have powers? It makes sense if this rumor about Peter's father is true b/c it actually adds more intelligence to the origin. Radioactivity ALWAYS GAVE people powers in the 60's. I think it's a bit too immature to leave the origin how it is. Let's grow up and add some intelligence to stories so they make sense. We aren't children. We all understand science.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I think you said it best Spider-Who. Well put.

Regardless of the change in the origin, the heart and soul of Spider-Man seem to be more present in this film than in the last 3. I really do think we'll see it shine.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

It is really funny when the reboot was announced alot of people was complaining that they had to do the same origin all over again. I didn't want either.

Stillanerd( I know you are from the CBR), tell me... do you think all people want to see the same origin again?

I can NOT believe that CBR forum people didnt impress with the amazing trailer AT ALL.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

I also have to admit that I am worried about the changing origin too but what is really important is that the importance core of Spider man and mythology are still there. It is all that matter.

But it is kinda good way cuz I am reallly excited to see how the new origin works

 

[Web face]

If you think about it, it doesn't really take away from the Everyman quality THAT much. Sure it does a little, but you could still get these powers because most people don't know what is in their DNA or if changes were made or not. Scientifically speaking, none of this could happen, but getting spider powers from a spider bite can't happen either.
Just curious, what source did this rumor cone from?