The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 6

[Anno_Domini]

That order is actually pretty decent.

While all the other movies had good talk, Twilight was THE most talked about because how bad everyone though it was.

Well, if people were only talking about how bad it was, then I can approve that order. But I think if the order was about which would make the biggest impact in theatres, it would be re-ordered, imo.

Also, my brother went with me to see The Hunger Games (he was bored) and he and I said the same thing.

I fricken love the Running Man.

The similarites are less though as far as violence is that while Hunger Games's is more real, Running Man's is more gruesome.

More gruesome, but more awesome. I mean, I actually read the Hunger Games trilogy myself and it's a much more "grown up" series than Twilight, but still...I ask fans of that book about Running Man and they're so ignorant to not know anything about that book; it's always a shame when people know less about Stephen King and more about these "cool" new books.

VENOM RANT:

How was their fight in SM3 done wrong? Venom kicked the crap out of Spidey, snuck up on him (invisible to Spider-Sense) we saw that he was faster, stronger, and better than him, his webbing was stronger, and he even bound him in the webbing. He even friggin shot the webs from his forehands, had fangs/sharp teeth, and a long pointed tongue.

You were making some sense until the bold area. Those are just attributes, and while nice, that didn't make the fight all that pleasant. Sure, he kicked, and literally kicked Spidey, haha, and he also snuck up on him since Spider-Man's spidey-sense didn't work, but Venom then had to use a pipe to fight. I mean, besides a pumpkin bomb to the face, Green Goblin used his fists and Venom could only use a pipe during his little showdown with Spider-Man? Let's just forget about the inaccuracy of the pipe hitting Peter's face and only ripping off his mask when that's not possible and it should've just created a slit on the mask and also ripped Peter's skin off, but Venom should have used his bare hands on the hero, and he didn't. Using a pipe and only kicking Spidey once or twice isn't doing justice to what should've been a vicious fight between the two. And when I say vicious, I mean a more animalistic Venom without using a silly pipe that costed him his life only three minutes later.

I also realized though it was established that greatly there is evidence in the film(a mini comic touched upon this more. check out SPIDER-MAN: THE BLACK) that the symbiote transfered memories and kowledge of Peter to Eddie.

For example when Venom says "ooooooh my Spider-Sense is tingling" Spidey never actually said that EVER in the films, which means he must have thought it in his mind (off screen as we never hear him think it either) and Venom says "how does that sound...TIGER?" Eddie was never around MJ when she called Peter tiger EVER in SM3

We saw little evidence that the symbiote gave Eddie the memories of Peter and The Black actually portrayed Venom in a better sense, while the film gave us lines directed to Flint Marko and Peter that made no sense unless you really understood what the symbiote does with keeping the memories of its previous host and powers in the case of Peter Parker. Sure, knowing that Venom mentioned Flint's daughter or the 'tiger' line to Spidey would give a little knowledge in that aspect, but it wasn't good enough the way The Black explained it.

I myself want to see a movie that explains, not leave it out. Leaving some factors out only makes sense if that film itself wants to leave it like that, such as Inception, imo.

Also I just don't get how Venom was "not done justice" in the film.

His origin in SM3 was SUPER close to the comics.

Eddie Brock was Catholic, he worked in journalism. He hated Peter and Spider-Man. He got fired for Pete/Spidey proving that he presented false evidence/documentation/pics to a newspaper.

Brock goes to a church to pray, symbiote comes down, transforms him into Venom.

Venom may not have been as buff as people are use to seeing (however some folks have the ludicrous idea of him being ginormous like the Hulk -.- )
and sure he never refereed to himself as "We".

and Eddie was skinnier do to the inspiration of Ultimate Spider-Man (and btw Topher is nowhere near as bad as many of you all make him out to be. I remember when he was first casted and the first set pics showed up of him sportin' blonde hair, many of you guys geeked out)

Venom may have not been done perfect justice in this film (when does any comic book film do PERFECT justice..honestly?) but he was still badass and retained many of the main elements that make Venom who he is.

END RANT

yea yea yea "TL;DR" whatever

The story behind Eddie Brock is accurate and pays homage to both 616 and Ultimate, sure, but Eddie's story felt way too rushed and his time as Venom was just as fast. We barely notice Eddie Brock and then he becomes this prominent character in the last fifteen minutes of the film. Plus, Venom would've been given more justice if he of course had more screen time, but aside from a longer fight, he should've stalked Peter and his loved ones as he did in TAS and TSSM; THAT would've given Venom justice. Now, yes, perhaps Venom can't hold a film as the only villain, but he did deserve more than just a tiny little segment. That's where people said Venom wasn't given "justice" in Spider-Man 3.

And if you want to ask about which CBM gives justice to a villain...well, that's simple: Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, The Joker in The Dark Knight, Magneto in X-Men: First Class. There are villains that receive that justice, but Raimi didn't care about doing such with a villain with such a loyal fanbase.

And if we're talking about the size...I never wanted someone huge and bulky in the first place, although Topher Grace should've been Tom Hardy as Bane kind of size, imo.

I think the problem is that Venom had 5 minutes of screen time.

This as well.

I think the problem is Avi Arad forced Sam to put him in the movie

Avi Arad didn't write the movie's script though; he wasn't one of the writers and he didn't direct the film. Yes, Arad shouldn't have forced Venom into the film to replace Vulture, but Sam Raimi could have done a better job writing him; or at best, keep certain scenes that he did film that was in the novelization to actually give Eddie and Venom more developing time.

Around 12 minutes, there are 2 minutes of him talking to Sandman before the fight

You mean the :45 second clip of Venom and Sandman's meet-n-greet?

 

[chaseter]

I kinda feel like TASM is doing what TDKR is doing with its marketing, only in a different way.

Both films aren't showing the juiciest stuff (like The Avengers is doing). The only difference is that TASM is still promoting heavily but the promotional material hasn't featured that much interesting stuff.

The trailers for ASM gave everything away...

They even show Spidey swinging to fight Lizard atop OSCORP and destroying his machine...which is the final fight.

The only thing not in the trailers is Ben dying.

 

[spida-man]

Raimi didn't write the script. He simply DIRECTED the film. why does everyone place most of the blame on Raimi? not EVERYTHING that was a major issue was his fault. not even the MAIN issues were his fault.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Raimi didn't write the script. He simply DIRECTED the film. why does everyone place most of the blame on Raimi? not EVERYTHING that was a major issue was his fault. not even the MAIN issues were his fault.

Credits @00:02:47 :-
Screen Story By: Sam Raimi & Ivan Raimi

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Raimi didn't write the script. He simply DIRECTED the film. why does everyone place most of the blame on Raimi? not EVERYTHING that was a major issue was his fault. not even the MAIN issues were his fault.

Credits @00:02:47 :-
Screen Story By: Sam Raimi & Ivan Raimi

Shortly followed by Screenplay by: Said 2 above & Alvin Sargent

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That's just too awesome.

 

[RealIrOnMaN]

Oh... did you at least say hi or something?)

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

EDIT: Nevermind, RIM beat me to it!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

STORY TIME!

Workin out at the gym yesterday... and who comes walking by, finishing up her workout?

...Emma Stone.

Needless to say, I flipped out.

That's pretty cool

 

[Anno_Domini]

Raimi didn't write the script. He simply DIRECTED the film. why does everyone place most of the blame on Raimi? not EVERYTHING that was a major issue was his fault. not even the MAIN issues were his fault.

You may want to watch Spider-Man 3 again and look at the credits to see who created the story and who wrote the screenplay. I have only seen the film twice and I already know that.

Plus...Sam Raimi DID create the retcon for Sandman and DID make Harry the way he was in the film and DID make Mary Jane turn out to be a ***** and DID make Curt Connors a physicist and not a biologist. The only thing that was forced was the symbiote and Venom and even then Raimi DID create the story for the entire film.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Credits @00:02:47 :-
Screen Story By: Sam Raimi & Ivan Raimi

Shortly followed by Screenplay by: Said 2 above & Alvin Sargent

You may want to watch Spider-Man 3 again and look at the credits to see who created the story and who wrote the screenplay. I have only seen the film twice and I already know that.

Plus...Sam Raimi DID create the retcon for Sandman and DID make Harry the way he was in the film and DID make Mary Jane turn out to be a ***** and DID make Curt Connors a physicist and not a biologist. The only thing that was forced was the symbiote and Venom and even then Raimi DID create the story for the entire film.

See my post above
He did CO-CREATE the story, and it was moderately edited for screenplay
But he did approve

 

[elsewhere]

Plus Directors do kind of have some creative input into their films. It's not just about pointing the camera.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

You mean the :45 second clip of Venom and Sandman's meet-n-greet?

It really is 45 seconds

 

[RealIrOnMaN]

She was on her phone, but she glanced at me and kind of smiled, but kept on moving. That was enough for me. I was in heaven.

You're a very lucky man)) Perhaps you'll meet her again someday)

 

[SpideyFan866]

STORY TIME!

Workin out at the gym yesterday... and who comes walking by, finishing up her workout?

...Emma Stone.

Needless to say, I flipped out.

Did you say hi?

or did you immediately go into the bathroom and begin screaming like the girl that made you?

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Any reason why Jane was in totally ***** mode in SM3?

 

[SpideyFan866]

She was on her phone, but she glanced at me and kind of smiled, but kept on moving. That was enough for me. I was in heaven.

It might be rude/weird but try to snap a pic next time.

 

[VenomSpawn]

It might be rude/weird but try to snap a pic next time.

That would be really obnoxious.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Unless you go like "Hi Emma, may I take a photo with you?"

Y'know, just stay classy and not like those paparazzi idiots.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Unless you go like "Hi Emma, may I take a photo with you?"

This is exactly what I would do.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Marc Webb Interview:

[It's] been really fun. I think there's a real genuine sense of enthusiasm, and curiosity, which is fun. I mean, you do have to honor the sort of iconographic elements of 'Spider-Man,' but it's been fun to put ourselves in, in a different and new way. Well, I think there are elements of Spider-Man that are just universal. I mean, he shoots webs and he soars through the sky and he's a little guy who beats up guys that are bigger than him, or fights for the little guy. I think that's a really important thing, but I think that for me there were a few things in the Spider-Man comics that I thought were really interesting. There's this story about Peter's parents and where he came from, and I thought that it was really interesting to explore the emotional consequence of someone who's parents had left them at a very young age."

"I like that Peter Parker has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. In 'The Amazing Spider-Man #8' there's this moment where Flash (Thompson) and Peter are sort of going at each other. They're at a boxing match and you sort of hear what Peter is saying and he's a little surly and I like that, but there's this attitude, this sort of punk rock humor and trickster quality that I think probably comes from somebody who is a little distrustful of the world at times. In order for someone like that to become a hero, I think it's a really interesting story and that was something fun. It was really fun to explore, and then of course there's the Gwen Stacy saga, The Lizard. But I think what we tried to do was find something very emotionally grounded and that felt very real. That's a challenge when there's big lizards and soaring through the air, but that's what was really fun about it."

"Well, we're telling the story in a different way and I think it's really important when you're redefining a character for the audience to experience things that they haven't experienced from the ground up. I wanted to build a character. There's just something about the movies that I see, like, I feel like point of view is a really crucial thing in the story and that you need to build up the sort of emotional building blocks so that you can experience all the other emotions in a very specific way rather than just experience it in an intellectual way. I mean, that's why at the beginning of the movie there's a story of his parents. I think you want to feel what that sense of abandonment feels like as an audience member so that you can readily and appropriately identify. And we're creating a different universe with different rules and a different tone and different villains. We're very careful to honor the iconography of 'Spider-Man,' but we wanted to tell it in a new and different way."

The rest of the interview is here.

 

[SpideyFan866]

That would be really obnoxious.

Unless you go like "Hi Emma, may I take a photo with you?"

Y'know, just stay classy and not like those paparazzi idiots.

Yeah. I really meant that way. Ask first. If she says no then okay.


I just felt it would be rude to ask as well as just take one.

Same for Andy.

Andy Garfield would probably beat your ass for just snapping a pic of him or Emma.

Actually, that would be hilarious.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Andy Garfield would probably beat your ass for just snapping a pic of him or Emma.

No he wouldn't. There's a video out there of Andrew and Emma walking around being bugged by a paparazzo and Andrew was nothing but nice to him, even introducing himself (the pap continued acting like a total asshat though).

 

[Curmudgeon]

Yeah. I really meant that way. Ask first. If she says no then okay.


I just felt it would be rude to ask as well as just take one.

Same for Andy.

Andy Garfield would probably beat your ass for just snapping a pic of him or Emma.

Actually, that would be hilarious.

If she's all sweaty from working out definitely don't ask.

I don't know about a beating, but he would probably be pissed off if someone just snapped a picture. He's notorious for letting his annoyance show with paps, like that time with the Coke.

 

[SpideyFan866]

If she's all sweaty from working out definitely don't ask.

I don't know about a beating, but he would probably be pissed off if someone just snapped a picture. He's notorious for letting his annoyance show with paps, like that time with the Coke.

Yeah. I remember that.

But yeah, he's too much of a nice guy to fight someone. I think it would take something really serious to make him violent.

Like maybe touching Emma's ass but I'm not sure If that would do it.