The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man Sequel Villains Thread!

[©KAW]

Carnage would be pretty good on film, but we'll never see him, imo. You need Venom to use Carnage and that'll just take too much time to bring in those villains because I highly doubt we'd get both symbiotic villains in one film.

Oh, I wouldn't skip over Venom. I just think that when you get to Carnage, a serial killer and him not being just a muscle-bound dumb Spider-Man, with a weak reason why they (Venom/Eddie) hate Spidey. You will come to like Carnage better on screen as a character. As a screen presence he would easily dwarf Venom. Keep in mind, I'm talking about these characters in film form, with a well written script.

We have seen many serial killers on screen, my personally favorite is from Silence of the Lambs. Just imagine if you will, if Hannibal had the symbiote. Where he can't be contained, he need not hide what he does, and can't be stopped by the police or FBI, even if he's in their front yard. I would love to see how Spider-Man handles a villain like that in live action, especially mentally, who's not out specifically for him, fame, power or money. You don't need to go too deep when it comes to a serial killer, they are their own evil made real that we don't understand. If you do, you'll end up with a story like the Hannibal Rises prequel. Which was horrible. I don't want to know too much about a serial killer, the story lies around the people Carnage would effect. It's why Carnage should not be written with complexity like one would expect from Norman/GG or Octavius/Ock.

Eddie Brock is weak link here for me, no one seems to be able to make that character real, without him seeming like a gimmick for the symbiote. He needs to be retooled, before I would want to see any symbiote on screen ever again. I love the symbiote on Spider-Man in the comics and cartoons and should have felt the same way in SM3. I despise it when it's given to Eddie Brock knowing his horribly written hate for Spider-Man. It's not the celestial costume that I don't find grounded or interesting, it's his character.

 

[Hugebear]

Well, I was thinking he should focus on evasion using his talent for disguising himself.

But of course, I like your idea. It may not be necessary for him to know how to fight.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Well, it would just be ignorant to skip over Venom anyways, but what I meant was...we'd have to get at least six films to do the symbiote story properly from Peter receiving the symbiote, to Eddie becoming Venom then to Cletus becoming Carnage just because Venom and Carnage could not be handled well in one film, but also that Carnage needs to be spread out from Venom's appearance. Say, if Venom shows up in the second film, Carnage should be a villain in a fourth film, just to have one film symbiote-free so it wouldn't feel like the symbiotes are getting the most attention.

But, yes, Cletus needs to keep with a serial killer role because if you don't, he'd be watered down and won't be as great as he needs to be.

 

[Lord]

In the limited spider-man movie there are already problems using all the villains, Carnage should be a main villain in a Venom spin-off

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

In the limited spider-man movie there are already problems using all the villains, Carnage should be a main villain in a Venom spin-off

I completely agree. Spider-Man has one of,if not the best rogue gallery in comic book history rivaled only by Batman in my opinion. I wish that Brock would have become Venom at the end of Spider-Man 3 and had been the main antagonist thru out Spider-Man 4 as not only a physical threat but a mental "cat and mouse" mind **** as well. I'd like to see either the Scorpion do this to both Spider-Man and Jameson in one of the early sequels or Venom to properly do this for Amazing Spider-Man 4 or 5.

 

[spider13]

well most likely never get an amazing spider man 4 or 5 or anything like that.

 

[©KAW]

Well, it would just be ignorant to skip over Venom anyways, but what I meant was...we'd have to get at least six films to do the symbiote story properly from Peter receiving the symbiote, to Eddie becoming Venom then to Cletus becoming Carnage just because Venom and Carnage could not be handled well in one film, but also that Carnage needs to be spread out from Venom's appearance. Say, if Venom shows up in the second film, Carnage should be a villain in a fourth film, just to have one film symbiote-free so it wouldn't feel like the symbiotes are getting the most attention.

But, yes, Cletus needs to keep with a serial killer role because if you don't, he'd be watered down and won't be as great as he needs to be.

Six movies, let's hope we get a third. But a non-symbiote movie in between Venom/Carnage sounds good. For now, I'd like to see more classic villains.

However, seeing Spider-Man dealing with a serial killer with superhuman powers, that would be hard to try and pull off on screen. A challenge for the writers, the director and for Spider-Man.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Six movies, let's hope we get a third. But a non-symbiote movie in between Venom/Carnage sounds good. For now, I'd like to see more classic villains.

However, seeing Spider-Man dealing with a serial killer with superhuman powers, that would be hard to try and pull off on screen. A challenge for the writers, the director and for Spider-Man.

That's why, imo, Carnage and Cletus being a serial killer will fit with this new series instead of a Raimi-directed Spidey film.

 

[©KAW]

If the movie truly has a more serious and mature tone overall. And they produce 5 to 6 films. With a better story and retooling for Eddie Brock. Then I say by the fourth film let it rain symbiote juice.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Six movies, let's hope we get a third. But a non-symbiote movie in between Venom/Carnage sounds good. For now, I'd like to see more classic villains.

However, seeing Spider-Man dealing with a serial killer with superhuman powers, that would be hard to try and pull off on screen. A challenge for the writers, the director and for Spider-Man.

Well I don't think it would be a challenge for writers, only if they follow my lead, and pull off an unprecedent, never before done feat, that would make movie history...on the level of what they are doing now at Marvel Studios. As well as the importance of re-inventing not only Brock, but, Venom, as well as establishing a cornerstone foundation of who the Symbiote is.

I have mentioned it before, and say again: when they are ready to introduce Eddie and the Symbiote, Sony should do a spinoff, immediate after Spidey rid himself of the Sym, and Eddie get it. This will save precious time of character development and motivation within the Spidey franchise. Allocating that time and development of all three entities, Eddie, Symbiote, and Venom to be developed, given reason & motivation within its own framework... cumulating in a showdown within one of Spidey films.

This will allow the writers to approach the character more slowly and maturely...developing the essence on the character as he approach his showdown with Spidey(in a Spider-Man film). Giving ample of time to explore why this parasitic Symbiote is not only dangerous; but, why Venom is such a threat to Peter/Spidey, those close to him, and mankind as a whole.

Develop the spinoff over two films, while the Spidey franchise continue simultaneously with other adventures and villains; again, cumulating to the highly anticipated meeting between Spiderman & Venom... and giving the supposenly new tone of the Spidey franchise, the spinoff should reflect an even deeper tone, given who the character is destine to be.



I once wrote a trailer for this spinoff, to give an example of how I would not only re-invent the character; but, how I would approach the film and story.

 

[Spider-Vader]

How would Carnage be a better on-screen villain than Venom?

Eddie Brock's life was ruined by Spider-Man (& potentially Peter Parker in a movie), while the symbiote could be like a psycho ex-girlfriend. The two of them join forces & I think it'd make for an interesting plot. While, Carnage just kills because he feels like it.

 

[8wid]

I would rather see Carnage kill Gwen Stacy then the Goblin, at least it would be a more chilling death.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Wow, I'm surprised the top three on this poll is still Green Goblin, Electro and Scorpion.

I can imagine why a lot of people wouldn't vote for Doc Ock because it'll feel like a copycat but still...Scorpion?

Lol, why have another villain that looks like an armored version of Lizard in the sequel?

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I wouldn't mind this.

Especially if the rumor plotline keeps this idea:

Spoiler

Flashback to Richard and Mary Parker going over their mission. Richard Parker will sneak into the Oscorp laboratories and look for any information on the disappearance of several civillians. Mary Parker will distract the head of security, Nels Van Adder, for the time being.

Richard breaks into the facility and finds that the missing civillians are being experimented on. We have references to other villains. He gathers evidence.

[BLACKOUT]Now obviously those civilians wouldn't be people like Otto Octavius or Eddie Brock, but I could very well see that sort of story explain B-list villains such as Maxwell Dillon/Electro, Flint Marko/Sandman, etc.[/BLACKOUT]

Interesting, I had not seen this rumored plotline before.

So perhaps the disappearance of civillians is tied into something Parker was working on at Oscorp. A formula compound of some sort that Osborn is using/manipulating for experimentation on civillian guinea pigs (homeless people, petty criminals, people that nobody would miss, etc). Maybe that formula compound of Parker's serves as the genesis for the creation of supervillians. Will be interesting to what degree the parents role play in the whole thing.

 

[socool]

I would rather see Carnage kill Gwen Stacy then the Goblin, at least it would be a more chilling death.

Your ideas are just disgustingly gross.

You said something the Superman section that just made me shake me head, you want Peter to be gay, and now you want them to go the Ultimate route with Carnage killing Gwen instead of Goblin...

Wtf dude...?

 

[8wid]

Your ideas are just disgustingly gross.

You said something the Superman section that just made me shake me head, you want Peter to be gay, and now you want them to go the Ultimate route with Carnage killing Gwen instead of Goblin...

Wtf dude...?

I said they were radical, but I think the story would be very strong. never said the death had to be graphic, Carnage can throw Gwen off a bridge just as easy as any other villain could. The battle between the red symbiote and Spider-Man would be more of an exciting engagement.

 

[©KAW]

Well I don't think it would be a challenge for writers, only if they follow my lead, and pull off an unprecedent, never before done feat, that would make movie history...on the level of what they are doing now at Marvel Studios. As well as the importance of re-inventing not only Brock, but, Venom, as well as establishing a cornerstone foundation of who the Symbiote is.

I have mentioned it before, and say again: when they are ready to introduce Eddie and the Symbiote, Sony should do a spinoff, immediate after Spidey rid himself of the Sym, and Eddie get it. This will save precious time of character development and motivation within the Spidey franchise. Allocating that time and development of all three entities, Eddie, Symbiote, and Venom to be developed, given reason & motivation within its own framework... cumulating in a showdown within one of Spidey films.

This will allow the writers to approach the character more slowly and maturely...developing the essence on the character as he approach his showdown with Spidey(in a Spider-Man film). Giving ample of time to explore why this parasitic Symbiote is not only dangerous; but, why Venom is such a threat to Peter/Spidey, those close to him, and mankind as a whole.

Develop the spinoff over two films, while the Spidey franchise continue simultaneously with other adventures and villains; again, cumulating to the highly anticipated meeting between Spiderman & Venom... and giving the supposenly new tone of the Spidey franchise, the spinoff should reflect an even deeper tone, given who the character is destine to be.



I once wrote a trailer for this spinoff, to give an example of how I would not only re-invent the character; but, how I would approach the film and story.

This is crazy enough to work. I like the idea, it would cost Sony a hell of a lot of money, but I'm sure they'll make it back. Let me ask you this, what would Venom being doing in his solo movie without Spider-Man?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I would rather see Carnage kill Gwen Stacy then the Goblin, at least it would be a more chilling death.

No...no it wouldn', if you ask me. First off, Carnage, while I've always liked him, he's a character that should not be in a Spider-Man film. And even if the Goblin wasn't going to be the one to kill Gwen, there are much better choices out there to kill her than Carnage. However, I do think it'll be the Goblin.

 

[Lord]

Your ideas are just disgustingly gross.

You said something the Superman section that just made me shake me head, you want Peter to be gay, and now you want them to go the Ultimate route with Carnage killing Gwen instead of Goblin...

Wtf dude...?

He said Peter should be gay in the superman section or did he say something else there about clark kent?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't want to know, lol.

 

[Oscorp]

Peter Parker to be gay? I'd puke all over the place!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Agreed.

 

[Lord]

Oh, what he said about superman was his costume not having the \S/ simbol
Now spider-gay? The romance between Peter Parker and Harry Osborn? No, that would change from Drama to a parody

 

[8wid]

He said Peter should be gay in the superman section or did he say something else there about clark kent?

I said there Brainiac and Luthor could function as the same character if he was disguised in a human form and didn't like the costume ideas for Superman.

Peter doesn't have to be a stereotypical gay with a sleered voice and all, it's as casual as any other romance. It could even work that Pete is dealing with secrecy that most couples have to endure and cannot tell Harry what happened to his father, let alone what he did. Harry could also always be wondering why his boyfriend seems to always be taking off without him and being inconsistent. It could create a major strain on their relationship.

 

[Oscorp]

Sleered voice or not, Peter Parker being gay would still cause me to vomit