glad to see i wasnt alone when i said it wasnt a great film. i do feel with this cast and webbs talents he could have made some amazing spider-man films sadly it seems something has always got in the way of that actually happening
what i am disappointed with is the reaction to anyone who didnt enjoy it, its only been on here once or twice but its growing and is rampant on other movie sites
person 1: it was an alright movie nothing special but i felt example a didnt work or example b was used right etc
person 2: *WRONG you're nothing but a fan stop your *****ing this movie rocks raimi sucks this is amazing film better than avengers and dark night. quit being ****ing fan boy
Classic hardcore fanboy response sadly. Though generally it has not been that bad here, but that may be because so many have not seen the movie yet so they're in no position to dictate what the movie is like.
OK, now that I've put some time into it,I'd rate this movie as relatively weak, it has good strong points but not enough to compensate for the deficiencies. This movie has a few good things going for it like the action, the colour palette, and it embraces comic book movieness in a manner not seen since Batman Forever ... this really feels like a comic book brought to life. However, this movie is incredibly tone deaf, the plot's developments make absolutely no sense, and in fact the plot is simply too big. Compared to the CBMs I've watched recently, this is a step down Winter Soldier and Man of Steel, it's better than Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 because some of the jokes are actually funny, and because there's actual charm.
I'll tout spoiler tags where appropriate.
The best part of the movie is Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy. The romance between Parker and Stacy was the only major plot point that interested me, it was very sweet and they came up with a lot of fun moments that made me smile. They shared some nice moments together, it was like watching two people genuinely in love, and it turns out that the actors are actually partners in real life. I can't really describe it without spoiling, but it works, they have very character-specific romantic interactions that would be meaningless in any other context. However, there was a bit of dread... every time the movie was making me care about Gwen Stacy, I kept thinking "are they trying to make care about Gwen in order to make a deep impact when they kill her later on?" In other words in the first half of the movie I was assuming that Gwen was going to die in the second half on the basis that she was getting the most fun scenes. The way Orci and Kurtzmann have written the script and Webb has directed it, the movie enters a zone where choosing not to kill Gwen Stacy would be the least cliché storytelling decision the creative team could possibly make.
All that said, however, Gwen Stacy and Peter Parker is the sweetest romance I've seen in a CBM. Gwen was also well-integrated in the plot and she had agency.
Some other parts that worked: Aunt May's affection for Peter Parker and vice versa, and the early bromance between Peter Parker and Harry Osborne. I also liked Jamie Foxx's Elektro, he's a different kind of villain from what we've seen recently, really cheesy, but I kind of enjoyed it. It's a break from the pretentious **** of Alexander Pierce, etc.
The 3D was very good. I also liked the two minutes of Felicia Hardy, I hope we get a Black Cat movie. I liked that they kept referencing the 1960s spider man cartoon, Peter Parker's ring tone is the theme from that cartoon.
However ...
This script is from the same writers who made Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and Star Trek into Darkness, and it really shows: Nothing makes sense. Point B rarely follows from point A, the character arcs are weak or null, and there's just way too much going on. This movie didn't need Green Goblin, and it needed Rhino even less. There was so much nonsense in the movie that I was numb to it.
Rhino
basically serves as the equivalent of an after-the-credits scene for Amazing Spider Man 3 / Sinister Six, but it's done before the credits. This was a huge mistake... there were significant events in the climax, Gwen dying, and those events needed to be acknowledged and reflected upon further, the movie should have ended on a moderate note, instead it ends on a raucous fight with Rhino and it feels off, it's not something I needed to see. A better cut of this movie would end without the Rhino garbage at the end. There's a kid in the Rhino scene that we're supposed to care about, but honestly I don't care about him.
The point the writers are trying to make is that Peter Parker is moving on and back to being Spider Man after Gwen Stacy died, but it just looked stupid. In order to be as heavy-handed as possible they replayed Gwen's valedictorian speech, where she talks about life being short and how we need to make the most of our time on Earth. It might work better if he did an ordinary save, instead, there is the ridiculous guy in the ridiculous rhino suit that makes absolutely no sense. Why would oscorp give such an expensive suit to that lunatic?
But whatever, he didn't need to be in the movie, his scar is gross to look at, and his East European accent accent makes him a racist caricature in a time when the United States is beating the war drums with respect to Russia.
Gwen Stacy's
pre-death teasing was off the scale. They kept telegraphing "we're going to kill Gwen Stacy, we're going to kill Gwen Stacy" ... holy **** please stop !!!! It's the only good significant part of this movie, and they kept foreshadowing her death. We saw flashbacks to Gwen's father the whole time telling Peter to stay away from Gwen, we saw Gwen in danger, we saw Gwen on top of a bridge, etc etc etc I ended up not feeling much when she died.
Also, minor, in the movie she is accepted into Oxford after having graduated from the school. In the real world, Gwen would be accepted to any University on Earth, in the spring before her graduation.
Harry Osbourne
was good in the first part of the movie, when he was hanging out with Peter, taking over the company, etc, but as the story proceeds he becomes more and more nonsensical. He spontaneously gets a disease and in the span of what must be one or two dies it rapidly spreads all over his body.
I'm not exactly sure what happened in the final thirty minutes. Did he retake control of Oscourp? He must have if he has access to the equipment, but he's in a mental institution. Is he controlling things remotely? How? I don't understand. The whole ordeal with the injection of spider-juice, then he gets sick, then he puts on the suit and is healed ... i don't understand that either.
Robert Parker
kept a lot of his findings in a hidden subway station. Why? I wonder if that was just imagery to bring up nostalgic sentiment for the closing scene of Matrix Reloaded. I figure he was uploading some scandal but it was just some BS video. Further, the stuff about the spiders having his own DNA was scientifically illiterate. From the perspective of a spider, all humans have the same DNA. I also don't like how they said "my blood or that of my bloodline", to communicate a point to stupid people in the audience, as if anyone would miss this contrived plot device whereby the mutagenic spider blood is only compatible with Parker DNA.
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Worst of all the movie is tone deaf, mostly because there are too many plot points. A dreadful or scary scene ends, and a happy one follows, and vice versa. Peter and Gwen don't have any character arcs in this movie. Elektro and Harry have small character arcs -- they jump from being good to being bad in a single moment of transition.
Classic hardcore fanboy response sadly. Though generally it has not been that bad here, but that may be because so many have not seen the movie yet so they're in no position to dictate what the movie is like.
very true joker, me and you have been around the hype long enough to see it happen, and i feel once a lot on here see it it will get to that stage, i dont visit the spidey forums much but when i did during the production much like the tmnt and bat boards if you were not 150% raging for this film and praising everything about by christ did you become a target
Actually they are extremely similar. Decent man falls into pool of science stuff, gets powers, suffers some tragedy. Then he emerges hairless and blue, feels the world is against him, and fires streams of CGI at people while spouting silly lines like, "Time to catch a spider!"
Villains and other characters use spider puns all the time in comics and media. Their background is similar but those were what happened in the comics except max doesn't have that ridiculous costume nor does max become that jokey villain like Joel's freeze and bendis' avengers run
It's not exactly like those movies. But there are some very similar elements in the way the villains are portrayed, some of the dialogue, the visuals, and Dr Kafka.
It was solid [BLACKOUT]BUT damn the scene where he saved those two victims hands from touching the electrified railing while saving the other from a incoming car was [/BLACKOUT] I know stuff like that would be straight out of a comic book. it just didn't sit with me well .
Villains and other characters use spider puns all the time in comics and media. Their background is similar but those were what happened in the comics except max doesn't have that ridiculous costume nor does max become that jokey villain like Joel's freeze and bendis' avengers run
It's not exactly like those movies. But there are some very similar elements in the way the villains are portrayed, some of the dialogue, the visuals, and Dr Kafka.
Batman Forever is a much better movie than Batman and Robin and it was well received in its time, great box office run of 330 million. People don't like it due to guilt by association with Batman and Robin.
It was good to see a movie, TASM 2, try and break the anti-cheese taboo, given that Batman Forever was actually successful.
Did anyone NOT like the [BLACKOUT]clocktower and then subsequent funeral scene? I thought it was wonderfully done and it brought down a hell of a lot of emotion for me.[/BLACKOUT]
Unless you've seen the movie you are in no position to debate how Electro or any character is handled in this movie. No wonder you were making arguments about him that were not even in the movie. All makes sense now.
.The Times Square scene is one of the worst scenes in the movie. Between the god awful music score, Electro's ridiculous over the top reaction to Spidey, and all that annoying slow motion stuff.
From your earlier posts before seeing this movie you never intended giving this movie a chance and are now loving dishing on it. By all means continue its amusing.
The sequence in Time Square was fun and far from ridiculous. For one thing it showed Spider-mans concerns for bystanders unlike Superman in MOS. The slow motion works perfectly to illustrate his ability in this scene.
While Electro (at this stage) appears on TS he is unsure of what he is and who is friends are. He is confused I don't see the problem at all with it. It was not until the policeman shot at him did he strike out and Spider-man then had to take action.
I will agree that Electro has never been one of Spider-mans better villains capable of being the centre villain in a movie. He is better suited to a role in SSix. Mysterio would have been my choice for this movie. Hell even Kingpin pulling the strings. But this did not detract from my immense enjoyment of the movie.
Did anyone NOT like the [BLACKOUT]clocktower and then subsequent funeral scene? I thought it was wonderfully done and it brought down a hell of a lot of emotion for me.[/BLACKOUT]
It was okay.....Garfield was very good when he found Gwen was dead. It just felt very rushed, and too much was packed into the last ten minutes - Electro defeated, Goblin turns up and is defeated, Gwen killed, Peter in a funk, Rhino returns and Spidey comes back. That's waaaaaay too much,especially given the leisurely pacing up until that point.
People aren't "bowled over by the sheer tragedy" because it's [BLACKOUT]a) telegraphed beforehand and b) dealt with in three minutes. There are ludicrous brief shots of Peter standing at Gwen's grave in the different seasons to suggest he has spend ages mourning her (one has leaves, one has snow, I'm not making this up) and then Aunt May tells him to get over it. Then the movie can get back to doing what it wants to, which is setting up the Sinister Six movie.
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here's the kicker that just made me slack jawed, as you said it shows all the various versions of all 4 seasons autumn with no leaves a snow storm, spring. we then cut to peters room and aunt may says its been 5 months
we know its summer in the film because gwen mentions an early summer class. so say june, 5 months brings us to november so thats when peters fighting rhino, but the leaves are back and the sun is shining. with the seasons shown at the end thats been a hell of a strange summer and autumn for new york lol
The sequence in Time Square was fun and far from ridiculous. For one thing it showed Spider-mans concerns for bystanders unlike Superman in MOS. The slow motion works perfectly to illustrate his ability in this scene.
It was great to see that Spidey's number one priority was protecting New Yorkers, not slugging the villain. There were definitely some great rescue moments.
I enjoyed parts of it. I gave credit where it was due.
From your earlier posts before seeing this movie you never intended giving this movie a chance and are now loving dishing on it. By all means continue its amusing.
The only amusing thing is your bitter untrue assumptions. I went into the movie fully open minded wanting and hoping to love it.
I didn't. I gave a through well backed up review explaining why. Now I'm discussing it with my fellow fans. But thanks for your endorsement. I fully intend to continue regularly.
If you take any more personal jabs at me like you did there, I'll report you.
The sequence in Time Square was fun and far from ridiculous. For one thing it showed Spider-mans concerns for bystanders unlike Superman in MOS. The slow motion works perfectly to illustrate his ability in this scene.
Showing Spider-Man's concern for bystanders doesn't make the scene good. He did that in the Aleksi car chase at the beginning, too. In fact it's a general trope of the Spidey fight scenes.
It's not nearly enough to save that scene. Visually it's a great looking scene, with some great action. That's all it has going for it. Electro is a joke. The music is awful. And the slow motion stuff is so annoying.
While Electro (at this stage) appears on TS he is unsure of what he is and who is friends are. He is confused I don't see the problem at all with it. It was not until the policeman shot at him did he strike out and Spider-man then had to take action.
Wrong. The Police had shot at him several times already before Spidey even showed up. That's what makes him flip out and send all the Cop cars flying, which is when Spidey arrives.
I don't know whether this is a good or bad thing but I found Jamie Foxx's interpretation of a severely cliched nerd quite funny. I think it was the silliness of him that won me over and made me understand him. It made me sympathise with him.
The problem is there is just not enough time spent with him and I think that is why they took the cliche route, which is very lazy indeed. The took the cliched route so that they could convey the difference between Max and Electro making the time spent with Max unfortunately redundant.
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[/BLACKOUT] I know stuff like that would be straight out of a comic book. it just didn't sit with me well .
