The Atheism Thread - Part 7

[childeroland]

Ugh, those kinds of people are the worst.

Of course you think so, with that sex-crazed infidel tempting boys to sin with her tongue while dancing to Satan's music in your avatar.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Haraam? Im not familiar with this word.

Oh and Ive never paid attention to it until now, but the Arabic word for Satan (Shaytan) sounds like the way Sean Connery would say Satan.

"Mr. Shaytan shir, I mustache you a queshtion."

It's the Arabic word for "forbidden". It's the opposite of halal.

There is actually some grounds for considering music haram in the Hadith apparently.

 

[KevanG]

I can imagine that some people wouldn't want their kids listening to certain types of music until they're older, like Marilyn Manson or whatever, but music as a whole? That goes against us as a species. We're musically inclined no matter the age, location or upbringing.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Muhammad destroyed musical instruments at some point and said the singers were leading people into sin.

Pro-music Muslims say these singers were pagans using their songs to convert others.

 

[KevanG]

So do we ban all the christian rock bands...

and Creed?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

It's OK. We'll always have power metal. Non-Christian power metal.

 

[KevanG]

I was hoping for a yes to my question.

And hair metal is better.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Ooh. Ever listen to Cinderella? Are they atheists? (a sorry attempt to keep things on topic :P)

 

[Mightmitenot]

3) But the big bang is a science theory (?) and the Bible says something very similar to even identical. If the big bang theory is correct, then the Bible's idea of this got it correct all along.

Maybe/kinda/sorta similar does not equal getting it correct.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can imagine that some people wouldn't want their kids listening to certain types of music until they're older, like Marilyn Manson or whatever, but music as a whole? That goes against us as a species. We're musically inclined no matter the age, location or upbringing.

Well in fairness, religion has never had a problem going against human nature.

 

[rodhulk]

Perhaps this 3rd grade child can help you understand the difference between a circle which is the flat area he draws out and a sphere which is the ball he is holding.

Now watch him completley mis the point and argue that - Hey you can hold a circle too! Yeah no kidding and it would look flat like a disc or frisbee, not a ball.

As I wrote in another post, those who hate Christ hate the Christian! The truth remains in that post. And remember, especially with the season that is here now, Jesus died and rose for you, too, if only you can accept his sacrifice!

 

[rodhulk]

Maybe/kinda/sorta similar does not equal getting it correct.

The Bible does not teach the exact thing the big bang teaches, but a simple idea is taught in both, there was a spreading/expanding of the universe. God's word is amazing. Amen.

 

[Feenix]

Easter has roots in paganism as far as I know. Christianity is borrowed from other religions, it's not original at all.

Christian concepts are not unique to Christianity, therefore, it can't be the only "right" religion because other religions would share similar concepts and would be just as "correct" (if they are at all).

 

[rodhulk]

As one can see in the definition of kanaph, it does mean extremity as it does wing. Since the Bible also says "circle" for the earth, it should be easily understood to mean what my link in the previous post said. Not hard to understand unless you're just trying to do away with sound teaching.

Strong's Concordance

kanaph: wing, extremity​

Original Word: כָּנָף
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: kanaph
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-nawf')
Short Definition: wings
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
wing, extremity
NASB Translation
bird* (1), corner (1), corners (4), covering (1), each other (1), edge (5), edges (1), ends (3), fold (2), garment (1), kind (3), skirt (3), skirts (1), sorts (1), wing (14), winged (5), wings (58), wings were each other (1), wingspan (1).




Here's another one:

The NAS Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3671 Original Word Word Origin @nk from (03670) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Kanaph TWOT - 1003a Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech kaw-nawf' Noun Feminine Definition

1. wing, extremity, edge, winged, border, corner, shirt
   1. wing
   2. extremity
      1. skirt, corner (of garment)

NAS Word Usage - Total: 107 bird* 1, corner 1, corners 4, covering 1, each other 1, edge 5, edges 1, ends 3, fold 2, garment 1, kind 3, skirt 3, skirts 1, sorts 1, wing 14, winged 5, wings 58, wings were each other 1, wingspan 1




And finally:

ARE WE COMMANDED TO WEAR FRINGES ONLY ON 4 CORNERS or ALL THE WAY AROUND LIKE THE ANCIENTS DID?

Deuteronomy 22:
[12] Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters (Kanaph = כָּנָף ) of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself. – KING JAMES VERSION

Quarters is translated from the word Kanaph in Hebrew
If we read the text with the correct translation, we would understand that this verse isn’t saying for us to put fringes on 4 corners, but the extremities of our garments.
​

The Ancient Hebrews Wore their fringes all throughout the EXTREMITIES of their coverings or garment, not solely on the corners. I am not surprised because Kanaph doesn’t mean Corners, it means Borders or Extremities.
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4 Corners the Earth or 4 Corners of your Covering are Hebrew Idioms

“Four corners of the earth” means everywhere, to cover an area in it’s entirety or all parts of the Earth. http://tranloi.com/idiom-four-corners-of-the-earth/
Four Corners of your vesture means to cover the entire borders of your vesture
​

 

[Saint]

Something that is not unique cannot be accepted as truth

This actually makes no sense at all, and I say that as an atheist.

 

[Feenix]

This actually makes no sense at all, and I say that as an atheist.

You're right, I'll rephrase it.

 

[Snow Queen]

As I wrote in another post, those who hate Christ hate the Christian! The truth remains in that post. And remember, especially with the season that is here now, Jesus died and rose for you, too, if only you can accept his sacrifice!

Since you seem to have missed the question I posted, I'll ask again. What part of not believing in Jesus, or at least as the son of God, and God translates to hate for you? It's not hate, it's not believing in something for various reasons, please point to what confuses you about this. What you are saying is the equivalent of me asking why you hate Zeus or any other deity you don't believe in.

 

[Saint]

You're right, I'll rephrase it.

Fair enough. Apologies if my post seemed rude.

 

[MrsKent26]

Well in fairness, religion has never had a problem going against human nature.

I think religion has fit with human nature in the past. Human beings seem to have an innate need to explain things. We need to know the "whys" of the world. In the past, humans didn't have the technology to explain most of the world's mysteries, so it was convenient to have religious stories to believe in. Nowadays, religion is archaic and absolutely clashes with human nature. While we don't have the technology to explain everything even now, we certainly know enough to render religion obsolete.

 

[SV Fan]

Easter has roots in paganism as far as I know. Christianity is borrowed from other religions, it's not original at all.

Christian concepts are not unique to Christianity, therefore, it can't be the only "right" religion because other religions would share similar concepts and would be just as "correct" (if they are at all).

I think modern Christianity is not the same as it was the first 300 years of it's existence. We basically got a Roman Empire State run version of Christianity that incorporated many traditions from other religions at the time so people would join on more easily.

It's hard to get an exact history of Christianity since the Roman Catholic Church basically did everything in it's power to hide the history of the religion that didn't fit it's version of Christianity, but you could sort of put pieces together here and there and find many ways early Christianity differs.

I think the biggest lie of the RC Church that is a major part of the religion today is the whole trinity thing. I also think that Jesus was more a prohpet and the "son of god" was ment more as a figurative thing then a literal thing, but making him be the literal son of god who would grant you access to the best place in the world if you just stay in line and be nice is much easier for a political power to use to control people.

One thing I notice in the early centuries of Christianity is that females seemed to have a more predominant role in the religion, but once the RC Church took over it seemed like the religion started to become more male dominated and the women started to take a back seat.

 

[regwec]

It depends which society you are referring to- abbesses and female saints played a significant role in the social development of early medieval Britain and Ireland.

 

[KevanG]

As one can see in the definition of kanaph, it does mean extremity as it does wing. Since the Bible also says "circle" for the earth, it should be easily understood to mean what my link in the previous post said. Not hard to understand unless you're just trying to do away with sound teaching.

Spoiler

Strong's Concordance

kanaph: wing, extremity​

Original Word: כָּנָף
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: kanaph
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-nawf')
Short Definition: wings
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
wing, extremity
NASB Translation
bird* (1), corner (1), corners (4), covering (1), each other (1), edge (5), edges (1), ends (3), fold (2), garment (1), kind (3), skirt (3), skirts (1), sorts (1), wing (14), winged (5), wings (58), wings were each other (1), wingspan (1).




Here's another one:

The NAS Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3671 Original Word Word Origin @nk from (03670) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Kanaph TWOT - 1003a Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech kaw-nawf' Noun Feminine Definition

1. wing, extremity, edge, winged, border, corner, shirt
   1. wing
   2. extremity
      1. skirt, corner (of garment)

NAS Word Usage - Total: 107 bird* 1, corner 1, corners 4, covering 1, each other 1, edge 5, edges 1, ends 3, fold 2, garment 1, kind 3, skirt 3, skirts 1, sorts 1, wing 14, winged 5, wings 58, wings were each other 1, wingspan 1




And finally:

ARE WE COMMANDED TO WEAR FRINGES ONLY ON 4 CORNERS or ALL THE WAY AROUND LIKE THE ANCIENTS DID?

Deuteronomy 22:
[12] Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters (Kanaph = כָּנָף ) of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself. – KING JAMES VERSION

Quarters is translated from the word Kanaph in Hebrew
If we read the text with the correct translation, we would understand that this verse isn’t saying for us to put fringes on 4 corners, but the extremities of our garments.
​

The Ancient Hebrews Wore their fringes all throughout the EXTREMITIES of their coverings or garment, not solely on the corners. I am not surprised because Kanaph doesn’t mean Corners, it means Borders or Extremities.
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4 Corners the Earth or 4 Corners of your Covering are Hebrew Idioms

“Four corners of the earth” means everywhere, to cover an area in it’s entirety or all parts of the Earth. http://tranloi.com/idiom-four-corners-of-the-earth/
Four Corners of your vesture means to cover the entire borders of your vesture
​

And like I was saying, there's a large area of interpretation through almost every part of the bible and not every single thing that means one thing can logically be extended to multiple things that deal with science and astronomy. There's interpretation and then there's just stretching a metaphor beyond the breaking point in order to try and make it fit where it just cannot do so.

If you believe it to be the word of god or just a book of history or just something to help you live your life that's fine, but don't try to force every aspect to show that it's pertinent to modern day astrophysics when it really has nothing to do beyond a metaphor for a creation myth.

 

[Alpha and Omega]

I understand when people do not believe in God; what I find fascinating about that is that most atheists I know become angry about it as if they angry AT God. That's weird to me. I don't believe in a lot of things. I tend to disregard them. Agnosticism and Deism seem a little more understandable. Far East philosophies like Buddhism (there is no God in Buddhism but Buddhists will respect any holy writings), Taoism, Shintoism, etc... are a little less foreign for me. I believe in Intelligent Design because I've never seen an architectural structure build itself. That is crude is comparison to the DNA strand in a human. If one was unraveled in an adult, it would be long enough to reach the sun and return to the earth. Science proves this and I'm not of the opinion that Darwin (who actually believed in God at one point - I actually respect Aleister Crowley's 'Do as thou wilt' more than anything I've seen of Darwin's meandering nonsense.) really knew what he was speaking of. Flavius Josephus seems to have known much more. However: I'm not having this discussion. I don't care whether you believe in God or not. If you're an athiest, neither do you apparently. Whatever...I'm as liberal as they come. I'm a musician. lol.

 

[Doctor Evo]

I believe in Intelligent Design because I've never seen an architectural structure build itself.

Ignoring the fact that your analogy is completely inappropriate, do you not believe that snowflakes exist and form spontaneously?

That is crude is comparison to the DNA strand in a human. If one was unraveled in an adult, it would be long enough to reach the sun and return to the earth.

This is functionally meaningless.

However: I'm not having this discussion.

That's unfortunate, because it would seem as though you have a lot to learn about these topics.

 

[regwec]

I believe in Intelligent Design because I've never seen an architectural structure build itself.

What about snowflakes? Or sand dunes?

Have you ever seen a god?